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Traders Give Birth to a New Idea, premier announcement
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ForexAssistant

Member Since Jun 28, 2011  465 posts Bob LLewellyn (ForexAssistant) Apr 24 2014 at 23:11
Hey guys,

I want to share something very important to me with everyone here, it's even more important than trading. However, I wanted to make the announcement here as it started here. B1FXprof and I were discussing a recurring topic on the forum, whether successful traders would help others, when a light went on and I knew how I wanted to spend the rest of my life on this planet. One of the biggest problems that we have as teachers, spouses, business people or even world leaders is communications.

Logically, if we as a people were ever to move towards a world peace, one of the first things that would be expected is the development and use of a simple world language. Evey place on earth could be bi-lingual from childhood, their native language and a common language of the world. We could all communicate with everyone on the planet without any interpreters. A lot of misunderstanding could be avoided. And it starts with us because for the first time in the history of the human race we can do something that has never happened before. We can act as a unified people and call for our own common language.

Please join us with any help that you can to get this idea to go global. We're traders, we're clever, go look at the web page and give me your best ideas as to how we can set this thing on fire.

CommonLanguageAppeal.org

I have every confidence in this project, if we traders can work together, the rest of the world is a cinch.

Thanks everyone,

Bob

where research touches lives.
ZOOM

Member Since Oct 03, 2013  39 posts ZOOM Apr 25 2014 at 10:24
Have you looked at Esperanto. There were also other international auxiliary languages too, as far as I know Esperanto had the widest following. You might have looked at it but here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_auxiliary_language

If it is in any way a motivation (or not), George Soros' father was apparently an Esperanto speaker. Wonder if that had any effect on Soros being such a successful trader.

ForexAssistant

Member Since Jun 28, 2011  465 posts Bob LLewellyn (ForexAssistant) Apr 25 2014 at 13:11
Actually, I didn't have any language in mind, the benefit of using Esperanto is that there are currently over 2 million natural speakers and current language courses. However, it was first created back in the 1800s and a lot of our world has changed. There are already several versions of Esperanto. And, there are other languages that already exist as well but it might be better for modern linguist to develop one that is even more universal and relevant to life as it is today.

However, I think we traders have a lot to gain by having a common language and are uniquely positioned to be able to start the ball rolling. This is something that everyone wants. The ability to travel and be able to order a pizza. The ability to sell your house to a new Chinese couple without an interpreter. But mostly because it is the first step to a dream that we always thought too big to ever really have a chance of happening, the dream of world peace. That may never happen and will almost certainly not happen within my lifetime, but if we can get one step closer, we will have accomplished something most notable with our lives. So, since it won't cost us anything to try, why not?

To build some momentum, maybe everyone could post here just to say that you will write a letter to your country's government and ask at least 4 others to look at the website and to do the same. I will be sending out news releases from here (US) and telling the local TV news people about our goal. Anyone wanting to do the same in your area or has some other ideas how we can get the word out, also post here. The more ideas that we have to work with, the more likely it will be that we will be successful.

It's always hard to see success when you first start out but if we can believe it, we can achieve it. And I for one, believe.
I will be sending out my letters to my representatives this weekend.

'It is better to try and to fail than to fail to try and forever experience the inestimable loss of what might have been', Author Unknown.

Bob

where research touches lives.
gatornuke

Member Since Jul 20, 2011  32 posts gatornuke Apr 25 2014 at 13:47
We already have a universal standard language. It's called English. No need to learn another made-up languange.

ZOOM

Member Since Oct 03, 2013  39 posts ZOOM Apr 25 2014 at 15:13
Not having any particular language in mind might be a better idea to start with - start from blank and incorporate all kind of different elements. I wish you success on your endevaour. It sure will not be an easy project. And like you say traders can benefit from it, much easier access to information and information is power.

But will they really benefit just from a single language? That would assume that the language would convey correct information. But will it necessarily mean what it says just because everyone can understand the meaning. A language is backed by the culture(s) behind it, say, take the difference between British and American English for example, or even different dialects within a country. So for a fundamental trader to be able to read through what happens, he will need a substantial knowledge of the 'culture', business mentality and what not to take it in the real way it is meant to be. So I don't think that a 'mere' language would convey that.

That's why personally I'm not subscribing to the idea. First, to be able to truly understand something you would need a peek into the culture behind the language, because that's what has formed the language to a large extent. Second, I have no issue with the different languages, certainly makes life more fun. As the saying goes, when you are in Rome, order a pizza in Italian, or whatever it goes like.

Then again back into the trading world, you will always have asymmetric information. This imperfection creates the swings and the opportunities for most traders out there. A single language would not make it a clear cut better trading environment. And again, I'm fine with that.

What's more interesting is your proposal to have one letter representing one sound, that would deviate fair bit away from English, but would be a lot more world-friendly. Could be an interesting linguistic and social experiment. Wish you good luck.

 

ForexAssistant

Member Since Jun 28, 2011  465 posts Bob LLewellyn (ForexAssistant) Apr 25 2014 at 21:39
gatornuke posted:
We already have a universal standard language. It's called English. No need to learn another made-up languange.


And before English we had Latin but when Rome fell so did the language. Since these natural languages are accepted because of the military domination of the people, there is a love hate relationship connected to the language. We don't need emotions, we have too much of that all ready. It's better to have a non aligned language of the whole human race, that belongs to all of us and doesn't represent one group over another. What happens when the US loses out to China, we all have to learn Mandarin?

English will still be spoken in the local countries that speak English, but educated people will also speak 'World'. When anyone visits, they will be able to find hotels, food and medical assistance with no help. And the same is true when we travel.

A Common language will not make any changes to the markets but it will make it easier to find a broker that speaks our language, they will all speak our language. You can open bank accounts in areas that will give you the most advantage (higher interest rates, etc.) In fact the benefits are so extensive that a little thought will come up with pages of benefits.

The draw backs? People hate change. It is one of the first things personal development coaches work on so they can get to everything else. Dr. Spencer Johnson has become famous because of his book on accepting change called 'Who Moved My Cheese', recommended reading for all ages.

'No need to learn another made-up language,'
all languages are made up, but some are made by design with intelligence and developed within preset controls. Where natural languages are mostly by accident without rules and are pretty much a mess. We teach English to our children when they are born, they study English all through school and when they get to collage, they have to study more English. If you have to take your birth language when your in collage, it's just way too difficult.

Please everyone, this is way too important for us and our children, support this, help where you can. If you are a good person, do good. A common language will not make world peace but for such a thing to exist, a common language would almost be a prerequisite.

I will ask everyone again, will you help? (Send a letter and ask 4 others to look at the website and do what is the 'good thing' to do). Will you post here that you will help. Some will get on board only if they don't have to be first. How many will join me in being amongst the first?

Please post your support. Thanks.

Bob

where research touches lives.
FX-Parity

Member Since Dec 19, 2012  28 posts FX-Parity Apr 29 2014 at 16:55
Lol

dacash

Member Since Sep 30, 2013  25 posts M (dacash) Apr 29 2014 at 17:48
Let's just speak in Emoticons :)

Solved! next...

If you don't try, you will never know.
csc2009

Member Since Apr 09, 2014  799 posts csc2009 Apr 29 2014 at 17:48
I agree with ZOOM, Languages are not only communication tools, but also integral parts of world culture. The beauty of languages is in their difference, complexities and the rich culture behind.

ForexAssistant

Member Since Jun 28, 2011  465 posts Bob LLewellyn (ForexAssistant) Apr 29 2014 at 17:49
Humanity is failing, I have been aware of the decay for some time. The numbers are verifying the observations. Every generation has complained about the young and how they would never get away with what that next generation does. With this awareness, we tend to dismiss our apprehensions as typical of the elderly. Until you can measure just what humanity is and is becoming.

Tensions are mounting world wide and we are going to start killing each other again. Not just by the thousands, but by the millions. If you want to know what humanity is, take a look at what we do best, we are great killers. We kill each other, we kill animals to hang their heads on our walls. We kill wales when they are about to go extinct. We are killing our planet by poisoning our waters, air and land. We are really good killers. And we complain about cancer, hah! cancer can't hold a stick to man when it comes to real killing. We have centuries of practice.

“All we keep saying is give peace a chance” John Lennon.
In the 60's we had a greeting, “peace”, we had a symbol “the Peace sign”, and we had a belief, “this is the dawning of an age of Aquarius”, the hope of a realm of peace. Then came what the media calls, the “ME generation”.

Want a rude wake up call, reread the various threads, but this time, don't read for content, read the emotions. These are all humans at our best. Discourteous, uncaring and spiteful of others' accomplishments. Some build, many others tear down. What is the solution? Are we able to evolve as a species or is this it?

There are two ways to solve our problems. The first is to talk things out, but after 5,000 years we still can't communicate effectively in our own language and have no ability to understand the guy in the other uniform, crying his eyes out before we kill him. Because the other way is the tried and proven, WAR.

So now, we can solve all of our problems with one push of the button. In a bright nuclear flash, all of humanities problems are solved. No one left to morn the loss of their children in battle, no more hunger, no more tears. Just peace, the peace of the grave, but there will be peace.

There have been around 100 viewers of this thread. I got reprimanded for posting the same invitation on several threads for everyone to add their voice to the one here crying in the wilderness. There have been 2 respondents. And one, who didn't bother to go read the link as to why we need to do this, posted something already used to show why we do need to do this.

Is he against any attempt to make the world a better place to live by joining in a group effort. I mean, what group effort is there in forcing English or any other authoritarian dominated language down other peoples throats. No, probably not, he was just not thinking about what he was saying. And that is typical for humans, especially on a form where they can say the most awful things to one another without worry because no one knows who they are.

I got into forex trading to create something that would benefit mankind, but what I read from the forum is that no one would make and sell anything good. That is the “ME” generation, can't understand the concept of us.

We have lost good traders because of the back biting, HolyCow being just the latest. Now, I hear your silence. I am going to join HolyCow and all the others that I respect but have chosen to not deal with the emotional baths, every time we try to push the envelope. (Idioms; push the envelope, to stretch established limits, as in technological advance or social innovation.)

I will be un-subscribing to all topics but this one. I announced this new idea here because the idea was first developed here, but the apathy apparent here, has clearly suggested that I will not be getting the help that I hoped for so I will need to take my skills and experience and go my way.

Good bye Ethan. I will gladly bare any reprimands for doing the right thing. I asked for support and got a reprimand from you for posting the same invitation to many threads. OK, but here's what it costs. To date, I am the only one who has developed and already proven a trading system that has taken over 3000 trades with no losses. But you don't need this kind of a mind. You want the ones that drive off the good traders. I don't understand it but I don't have to because this is your forum and I agree that you have the right to do what ever you want with your forum.

Bob

where research touches lives.
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