Ataka EA as of 3/20/13 Discussion

If you are even remotely considering buying Ataka, don’t. They don’t honor their guarantees, and they only answer questions that they deem appropriate, which aren’t too many. There are shenanigans going on because we can’t achieve anywhere near the same level of performance that they get. They will not share their historical trades, even with their clients.

Do me a favor. If you were considering buying this, and my posting made you rethink the purchase decision, help me have a little impact and send and email to [email protected] and let them know they lost a sale. The only way to let them know that their negative ctions have consequences is to let them now.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Grakauskas
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 6:01 PM
To: ATAKA EA Team
Subject: RE: Refund for ECN Version
Importance: High

My time impositions worked quite well. It got you off your ass to answer me. Without the impositions we wouldn't have had all the exchanges we've now had in just a few days.

See you in the 'court of public opinion.'

Best Regards,

Ken Grakauskas

Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.

-----Original Message-----
From: ATAKA EA Team [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 2:14 PM
To: Ken Grakauskas
Subject: RE: Refund for ECN Version

  You are in no position to impose conditions.

  Self esteem of the guarantee, reflected upon the meaning of written material.

  Are you so petty that he is ready to sell for $180.

  How many developers deceived in this way, making the refunds?

Rest in peace.


Ken Grakauskas писал 02.05.2013 21:08:
> Your guarantee is at https://ataka-ea.ru/buy.html
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> Since you are now aware that you do offer a guarantee, and you are probably going to remove that guarantee, enclosed is a snapshot for the record.

 


> Additionally, I have an email exchange with you from my office email where you specifically tell me that the 60 guarantee would be honored for 60 days upon receipt of the ECN version. A copy of that follows…
 

> Your questions regarding the number of people I have “deceived” conveys the logic and intelligence of an 8 year old. I come to you with facts, and all you do is talk about blackmail and deceit. Just throw mud and see if it sticks.
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> Just do what you said you would do, honor the guarantee, and let me go away in peace. Otherwise, I will be more than happy to do battle with you in the court of public opinion. I guarantee you will lose WAY more in new business than the lousy 180 bucks we’re talking about here.
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> Deadline stands at 11:59 tonight.
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> HONOR YOUR GUARANTEE.
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> Best Regards,
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> Ken Grakauskas
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> Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ATAKA EA Team [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:52 AM
> To: Ken Grakauskas
> Subject: RE: Refund for ECN Version
> Importance: High
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> There is no reason to refund.
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> Where is it written that we have a refund?
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> How many developers have you deceived?
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> It is not good to take possession of another's property by deceit.
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> You are a thief, a liar, a deceiver and a blackmailer.
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> Information about you will be published in all the forex resources.
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> Rest in peace.
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> Ken Grakauskas писал 02.05.2013 01:57:
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>> First, I find it interesting that you call my threat of exposing you blackmail. Two requests for a refund were ignored. If the threat of exposing you is what it takes to get a response out of you, then so be it.
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>> The basis for my refund are many. I have already spelled them out. Let's try one more time.
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>> 1. The ECN version does not trade the same as your original version. I don’t know why because you won’t show any trades. My returns are lagging yours significantly..
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>> 2. The risk to reward of this ECN version, for being a martingale, is lousy. This version is barely doing 5% a month and I've already experienced a 39% drawdown.
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>> 3. After a month and a half of trading, I have closed 835 dollars in demo profits but currently have 3,800 in open demo losses. This is not profitable. At this rate it will take 6 months (assuming it doesn’t blow it like it has twice now) to actually get booked profits above the usual open losses. Again, this is not profitable. Only developers look solely at closed profits without accounting for open losses.
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>> 4. You site specifically says you will refund if the rules are followed and it is not profitable. If anything, I have exceeded your requirements. You said the minimum amount to trade was 3,000 dollars. Had I funded the demo account with 3,000, I would have blown out the account twice now. The 12,000 demo account has seen drawdowns in excess of 4,500. Since your system does not apply money management ( lot sizes are not increased with more portfolio dollars) it is obvious to me that you don’t have a good handle on the minimum dollars required to trade.
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>> 5. I have very few gauges to judge performance. Your first myfxbook was closed when you blew it out. You started a second one that was running for a couple weeks and it outperformed mine by a wide margin in just that little time which is further anecdotal evidence that the ECN version does not trade the same as your original system. I cannot show you because you took that system on myfxbook down too. Will you ever leave a system up longer than 2 weeks? You suggest that I leave my system running so people can see how it runs. I have a better idea, why don't YOU put a system up and show people how it runs.
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>> It almost sounds like you're concerned about not having the ability to turn off the license?? If that is the case then shame on you. You either have to have a way to do that OR you don’t offer a guarantee. Simple as that. I don’t take advantage of developers. If you are what you say you are, you are worth every penny you charge and some. I get paid for what I do. When I mess up, I get back charged and I have to eat it if I didn’t do what I said I would. Only in the world of trading software can you put out a piece of shit and still expect to be paid.
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>> I cannot wait and see how things go. You only give me a 60 day window. I am far enough into that window to know that I don’t like your system. I have to beg and send multiple emails to get some questions answered. Others are just outright ignored out of your judgment of appropriateness. You won't even share trades with your customer base. I've seen enough. I want out.
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>> The timeline stands. 11:59GMT tomorrow (Thursday) or I expose you for what you are and what you do. It's not about the client. It's all about you. That just isn’t a good business model. 180 bucks isn't going to make me or break me. That's not the point. I just don’t like being fed a shit sandwich and then be told I have to smile.
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>> PLEASE PROCESS THE REFUND.
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>> Best Regards,
>> Ken Grakauskas
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>> Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
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>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: ATAKA EA Team [mailto:[email protected]]
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>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:02 PM
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>> To: Ken Grakauskas
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>> Subject: RE: Refund for ECN Version
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>> Importance: High
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>> On what basis do a refund?
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>> We do not see any reason for this.
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>> You received the trading system, licensed, now want to return the funds?
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>> It's called fraud.
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>> How many developers you have been deceived in this way?
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>> Resume the monitoring and let people see how the system works.
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>> You'll feel the complaint for blackmail and for that mislead traders their ridiculous arguments and lack of professionalism.
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>> Success.
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>> Ken Grakauskas писал 30.04.2013 21:27:
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>>> I have been asking you to process a refund now, for almost a week. It appears that you offer a refund when we sign up, but refuse to acknowledge, accept, or process the request when a refund is asked for. You can obviously ignore me as long as you want. It’s not like I’m going to travel Russia to confront you. WHAT I WILL DO, THOUGH, IS TO FILE A SCAM COMPLAINT THROUGH FOREX PEACE ARMY, AS WELL AS TO POST THIS ENTIRE EXCHANGE ON MYFXBOOK. IF I DON’T GET CONCRETE RESOLUTION FROM YOU BY 23:59 GMT THIS THURSDAY, I WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SHOWING AS MANY PEOPLE AS I CAN YOUR TRUE NATURE.
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Please take care of business.
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>>> Best Regards,
>>> Ken Grakauskas
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>>> FROM: Ken Grakauskas
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>>> SENT: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:56 AM
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>>> TO: ATAKA EA Team ([email protected])
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>>> SUBJECT: FW: Refund for ECN Version
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>>> IMPORTANCE: High
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>>>
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>>> I wrote to you last Thursday, to again, please process my refund. It is now Monday. The silence is deafening. Are you going to process the refund? Or is this one of those questions deemed inappropriate by you and not worthy of an answer?
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>Best Regards,
>Ken Grakauskas
>
>GOLD IS THE MONEY OF KINGS; SILVER IS THE MONEY OF GENTLEMEN; BARTER IS THE MONEY OF PEASANTS; BUT DEBT IS THE MONEY OF SLAVES.
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>>> FROM: Ken Grakauskas
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>>> SENT: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:30 PM
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>>> TO: ATAKA EA Team
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>>> SUBJECT: RE: Refund for ECN Version
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>>> IMPORTANCE: High
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>>>
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>>> Why did you stop testing on a demo account?
>>> I haven’t. It’s still running. I’ll turn it off when you process the refund.
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>>>
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>>> Ask appropriate questions and receive qualified and adequate responses.
>>> That is bullshit when the measure of appropriateness is defined by you. EVERY question deserves a response, even if the response isn’t what I may want to hear. Many have asked to see historical trades. That is an appropriate question that deserves an appropriate answer. You don’t say no, and you don’t say why. You don’t say anything. You just ignore it.
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>>>Anyone who has bought, no one has ever complained, no one but you.
>>>You actually expect me to believe that? You just blew out your account. I’m sure others have blown out. Don’t tell me no one complains. I’ve been around this game to know that many complain, if even for the wrong reasons.
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>>> You are competent in automated trading?
>>> I am. Been at it for years now.
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>>> Soon we will provide real accounts of our customers, if you want to get access to invest, make a request.
>>> No thank you.
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>>> Preparing a new version with a revised algorithm and a dynamic stop loss, if you are interested and you are ready to take part in the testing, we will provide you with the robot for free, for the independent beta testing.
>>> No thank you. Given how you communicate, as well as some of the condescending comments in this email, I would rather just move on.
>>> At this point, I don’t trust you.
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>>> I am not convinced that the ECN version trades the same as your regular version. I can’t get the type of account you want me to have to trade your regular version. USA issues. For a grid system, I just don’t like how it trades. I don’t know what the true minimum account size is. 3,000 is not enough. My results are nowhere near yours. And you’ve been trading this account for half as long as I’ve had mine.

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>>> PLEASE PROCESS THE REFUND.
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>>>
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Ken Grakauskas
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>>> ATAKA.
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>>> Ken Grakauskas писал 25.04.2013 03:48:
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>>>> I never started up the real account. I waited to see if the demo account losses would recover. I think I would like to cash in for the refund and give the system back to you. This is for several reasons.
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>>> 1) My demo account is not seeing anywhere near the returns of your real account. Your account is up 9% since 4/11. I am up 1%.
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>>> 2) I don’t believe you have a handle on the amount of equity needed to trade your system. 3,000 dollars is not enough. I don't know what enough is.
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>>>3)The absolute biggest reason is YOU DON'T COMMUNICATE!!!!! You are secretive about your prior trades, ignore questions that you choose not to answer, take days and multiplke emails to finally get a response, and then, when you blow out your account, you offer nothing. No condolences, no we're working to make the system more robust, no, we've learned something, but just a bunch of dead air.
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>>>You are just not someone that I am comfortable moving forward with.
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>>> You told me I would have 60 days after receipt of the ECN version.
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>>> Its been one month and a couple days now. Please process the refund.
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>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Ken Grakauskas
>
>>>> Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.