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Fast Forex Millions back and forward testing by Remus
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Alec

Členem od Jul 24, 2011  91 zpráv(a,y) Alec Jan 22 2012 at 21:19 (editováno Jan 22 2012 at 21:22 )
Good, Remus. When (if) I buy the EA, i may start trading immediately on a real money account -- starting with very small lots, of course. After all, we only have 1 month to decide if the robot is worthy or not.

This leads me to something that is nagging me: Their change of 'store', from Clickbank to Click2Sell. Clickbank, I know they were good for returning the money when needed. They work well like that, policy wise and whatnot.

Now if I lose money with the robot, I will certainly want that 30 days 100% Money Back Guarantee. Anyone has any experience or knowledge of how Clik2Sell deals with these matters?

With Clickbank it was very practical, straightforward, and fast. What if they moved to this 'store' because the previous one *really* gave the money back? Or am I being paranoid?

NextLevelForex

Členem od Apr 25, 2011  262 zpráv(a,y) Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Jan 22 2012 at 21:29

   walker36 posted:
   there should be something attractive about William s products. MDP has no vendors live account but Beta tested with on real with many traders. and now Remus, you are going to put it on Beta test for the creator. ( I call that beta test due vendor has not tested on real account if did I did not see ) my advise is to first test it on demo. demo <> live will not be different as generally accepted here at the thread.

but at the end it is your moneysmiley



Very well said, Steve ;)

Here are the 2 main things that attracted me to FFM:

- the first commercial EA I ran across, that claims Pips Expectancy higher than 3 (they have those stats on the sales page, and I was very happy to see them; they said 22.9 for EURUSD, while I got 8.5 for my “Decent broker 2011 test” - still good), which indeed would make it a lot less broker dependent than most all other EAs in my portfolio

- if the future results are only half of what is advertised, I don't need to pay someone up to 40% as performance fee. Although I did not give up on that front, and even have some good leads so far, you probably saw that I get a lot of poor systems on that thread (and lately an angry guy who's mad that I showed his martingale to the public)

I'm also selling this EA, so that in case people want to buy through my link, I will get something in return for the extra effort to make my findings public. But that's a distant point 3, so I’m not adding it to the above list. I have lots of complains about FFM (top one being the lack of real money account forward testing by vendor, even for only 2 weeks), but if the overall results look good, those complaints won't matter much ;)

He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford
NextLevelForex

Členem od Apr 25, 2011  262 zpráv(a,y) Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Jan 22 2012 at 21:44 (editováno Jan 22 2012 at 21:46 )

   Alec posted:
   Good, Remus. When (if) I buy the EA, i may start trading immediately on a real money account -- starting with very small lots, of course. After all, we only have 1 month to decide if the robot is worthy or not.

This leads me to something that is nagging me: Their change of 'store', from Clickbank to Click2Sell. Clickbank, I know they were good for returning the money when needed. They work well like that, policy wise and whatnot.

Now if I lose money with the robot, I will certainly want that 30 days 100% Money Back Guarantee. Anyone has any experience or knowledge of how Clik2Sell deals with these matters?

With Clickbank it was very practical, straightforward, and fast. What if they moved to this 'store' because the previous one *really* gave the money back? Or am I being paranoid?


You are not being paranoid at all Alec! Withing an industry where SCAM is the primary way of doing business, I think it's more than ok to have all these concerns. Here is my take on this.

Towards the end of last year Clickbank enforced rules that limit ability of vendors to hype their product (http://www.clickbank.com/product_requirements.html, see bullet point I.d; also see Will's blog post on that topic: http://www.pipinvestment.com/software/more-transparency-towards-clickbank-vendors)

Just couple of days ago Plimus cut access to all Forex EA vendors (very radical and un-business-like measure, if you ask me).

So my GUESS is that FFM team had a better option with going with Click2Sell (I did not read Click2Sell's policies, maybe they allow hyping up the same way Clickbank used to). I personally did not have experience with Click2Sell so far, but I know I can call up my credit card company and get a pretty prompt refund if FFM team of Click2Sell starts playing games with me on the 'refund' front.

If you want to buy, I will kindly ask you do it through my link. At the same time I would advice waiting until more more information (from me and other testers) surfaces.

He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford
walker36

Členem od May 13, 2011  1341 zpráv(a,y) Steve Walker (walker36) Jan 22 2012 at 21:50 (editováno Jan 22 2012 at 21:52 )
I will write in general again. not offensive just informative from my point of view:

I had coded and tested many EA s also traded manually.

1- if trade is open more than some hours lets say 2-3 then the trade is open to future news and market effects and most of the time those effects are against the trade. better to have trades as short as possible.
2- when any EA BT ed ( self coded, commercial no difference ) or what ever we see on the chart is happened that way. there is no guarantee of that that will happen same way.
3- ( after all those tests and codings ) eachtick coded EA s are the most dangerous ones regarding to the bar open ones. due the ticks should be the same to catch the past performance which is impossible.

basicly what I am saying is eachtick coded EA s are more likely 'putting a stretch body wear on to elephant', at the end it does split with the first move.

for me bar open EA s are more realistic for the future tests.

that comment can be wrong/wright but my personal conclusion about any EA.

walker

Trade The Trend! Defend To Price!
NextLevelForex

Členem od Apr 25, 2011  262 zpráv(a,y) Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Jan 22 2012 at 22:20
Breaking news! Please listen to this!

I installed FFM on a real money account; the market has been opened for 19 whole minutes, and the account did not double in value! Worse, the EA has not traded yet! What do I do now?...

Joke aside, I was able to setup a real money account with FFM, and will post link later today.

He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford
walker36

Členem od May 13, 2011  1341 zpráv(a,y) Steve Walker (walker36) Jan 22 2012 at 22:24
am I reading correct, you did not double in 19 minutes!!! EA is uselessyell

Trade The Trend! Defend To Price!
NextLevelForex

Členem od Apr 25, 2011  262 zpráv(a,y) Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Jan 22 2012 at 22:37

   walker36 posted:
   am I reading correct, you did not double in 19 minutes!!! EA is uselessyell


Yes, you are reading it correctly! And I checked again, now the market's been open for 35 minutes, but the account it's in the same state! Why is this happening to me!!? No trades, no doubling, no tripping! Maybe I should call my broker? :D:D:D

I did not see any posts with this attitude on this thread, which is actually absolutely great, and felt the need to 'fill in the gap' :)

Anyway, I will take a break now, go outside and get some fresh air (we still have snow), and post more info later, or maybe tomorrow.

He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford
Alec

Členem od Jul 24, 2011  91 zpráv(a,y) Alec Jan 22 2012 at 22:48
Eh eh eh

ForexScam

Členem od Mar 28, 2011  1008 zpráv(a,y) ForexScam Jan 23 2012 at 05:40
I came across two other accounts with open trades. I compared my generic logic to the opened trades and my broker's data wouldn't have opened a position on AUDUSD (long) while one of the demo accounts did and the other one did not.

Therefore each broker will surely have different results with this EA.

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/jsshear/fast-forex-millions-demo/227987

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/birt/fast-forex-millions/229091

One Pip At A Time: Pipinvestment
NextLevelForex

Členem od Apr 25, 2011  262 zpráv(a,y) Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Jan 23 2012 at 07:27
Here is my real money account, trading with 1 microlot at FXDD:

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/NextLevelForex/fast-forex-millions-fxdd-real/106578

My theory is that the demo and real accounts will have super similar trades, since the price feed is the same and the fills are not going to be a problem for FFM (i.e. slippage will be minimal). So far we have only one trade closed in the new account, and that matches exactly the corresponding trade in the demo account:

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/NextLevelForex/fast-forex-millions-fxdd/228516

He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford
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