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Dec 12, 2010 at 18:52
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Členem od Nov 15, 2010   183 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 16:52

leozdnbr posted:
    after looking at the trade history I realized that 0.1 lots is only 10 dollars. and 1 lot is 100 dollars. IT'S A MINI ACCOUNT, 1 mini lot = 100 dollars. when the EA started with 500 dollars it was trading 0.2 lots which is only 20 dollars. so YES IT IS VERY SAFE, THE RISK IS VERY LOW, and if you look the report on myfxbook, on stats tab it will show you that drawdown was only 0.21%. so YES IT IS VERY SAFE.

but you have other reasons to doubt this EA. since it's not really a robot, it receives signals, YOU CANNOT BACK TEST IT. the developers can be sending good signals now to draw people's attention, but who knows when will it start losing money. maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, nobody knows.

Leonardo, sorry but your math is wrong, this is a mini account for sure, so 1.0 is 1 mini lot(10,000)so 1 pip=$1.00, and 0.1 is 1 micro lot(1000) so 1 pip= $.10 cents, so if a sell on the EU yielded 7 pips in profit and the lot size on that trade was 0.2, then it would be 7 x .2= $1.40 in profit.
Členem od Nov 15, 2010   183 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 18:37
Well so far so good, I was wrong, the 2 sells and 1 buy on the EU were there, I was half asleep and didnt see them. But all 5 trades from today were exactly right on the money for execution time, but there is no SL or TP on my GU sell on my demo(and is still open right now), but the exact same trade on there live account closed at a profit. In fact my GU sell was up +19 pips in profit at one point, so its probably a discrepancy with my demo account.

 Also the first EU sell closed out at +25 pips on my demo and closed out for only +11 pips on there live account, but I will have to say that everything is pretty much bang on here with the Leo trader.
Členem od Nov 26, 2010   126 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 19:01 (Upravené Dec 23, 2010 at 19:13)
pipsquick1957 posted:
     there is no SL or TP on my GU sell on my demo(and is still open right now), but the exact same trade on there live account closed at a profit. In fact my GU sell was up +19 pips in profit at one point, so its probably a discrepancy with my demo account.


pipsquick,

If your EA is taking a signal from a remote server it is possible from time to time that the close order was not received or that it was received, the EA tried to execute it and failed for one reason or other and did not reattempt to close. This is called an Orphan trade. This was quite common on ZuluTrade at one time although I've not seen it happening for several months now to their credit.

You need to manually close out the trade. If you leave it alone it will never close until it hits the SL or TP which in this case there is none.

I think that explains why the EA sets up a TP and SL at the open of trade where many EAs have a stealth mode that hides this. LTP's TP and SL are operational TPs and SLs, ie. its not there to throw off the broker but rather as a failsafe in the event the signal from their server failed to execute the trade or your computer or VPS not being connected or on for some reason. Once a trade is opened they simply update it by adjusting the TP and SL. They seldom, from what I've seen, send a close order although they do from time to time. Look at the trade history and you'll see that most of the trades closed by hitting a SL that was adjusted upwards after the trade went positive or when it TPs.
Členem od Nov 26, 2010   126 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 19:33 (Upravené Dec 23, 2010 at 19:45)
Technical problems aside, this signal has been very impressive since the investor password was released last monday. It's made 142.1 pips in 11 trades so far with no losses. Going back to the opening of the account its done 197 trades with only 1 losing trade for a loss of 2.7 pips and 3057 pips in profit. Its averaging over 600 pips a month in profit.

We can scream foul and criticize it all we want but the results can't be faulted...so far.

I'm sure the day will come when it will hit a TP but I also doubt that will kill the account. Those who say its a margin call looking for a place to happen are entitled to that opinion. It will more than likely chalk it up to experience in its neural net (assuming its for real) and move on.

I conduct competency based assessments professionally. And one of the ways we tell if someone or something can do the job is to look at the end result which we call evidence. For example, I could look at a sushi chef make beautifully prepared sushi and know that he's competent and good at his job. I don't need to have him prove to me that he's had years of training to know that he's good at his job. I just need to look at the great sushi to know that there is evidence that he can do the job.

We don't know for sure if there really is a neural net, but from the trading results alone we can tell that this is a pretty good EA, neural net, signal service or whatever we want to call it. Until there is evidence to prove otherwise the results alone is the evidence we can look at to know that it is different from everything we've seen so far.
Členem od Feb 16, 2010   1332 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 19:56 (Upravené Dec 23, 2010 at 19:56)
rayong1 posted:
    Technical problems aside, this signal has been very impressive since the investor password was released last monday. It's made 142.1 pips in 11 trades so far with no losses. Going back to the opening of the account its done 197 trades with only 1 losing trade for a loss of 2.7 pips and 3057 pips in profit. Its averaging over 600 pips a month in profit.

We can scream foul and criticize it all we want but the results can't be faulted...so far.

I'm sure the day will come when it will hit a TP but I also doubt that will kill the account. Those who say its a margin call looking for a place to happen are entitled to that opinion. It will more than likely chalk it up to experience in its neural net (assuming its for real) and move on.

I conduct competency based assessments professionally. And one of the ways we tell if someone or something can do the job is to look at the end result which we call evidence. For example, I could look at a sushi chef make beautifully prepared sushi and know that he's competent and good at his job. I don't need to have him prove to me that he's had years of training to know that he's good at his job. I just need to look at the great sushi to know that there is evidence that he can do the job.

We don't know for sure if there really is a neural net, but from the trading results alone we can tell that this is a pretty good EA, neural net, signal service or whatever we want to call it. Until there is evidence to prove otherwise the results alone is the evidence we can look at to know that it is different from everything we've seen so far.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS...
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
Členem od Nov 26, 2010   126 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 20:12

forexma posted:

IGNORANCE IS BLISS...

There's no point in getting into a shouting match. You've made your point and I've made mine.

Could you perhaps share with us some EAs that you think are good and safe to use?
Členem od Feb 16, 2010   1332 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 20:48 (Upravené Dec 23, 2010 at 20:54)
rayong1 posted:
    
forexma posted:

IGNORANCE IS BLISS...

There's no point in getting into a shouting match. You've made your point and I've made mine.

Could you perhaps share with us some EAs that you think are good and safe to use?

I've seen tens of EAs like this one come and go after 2-3 months. Beatiful looking curves and then comes the BIG BANG.
I would like to comment your example of sushi chef and the end result from my point of view. Even the best sushi chef could have bad luck with rotten fish, it still looks good but it's rotten. The end result in that case is good looking sushi but bad taste.
In order to protect ourselves we need to know the quality of the ingredients of our meal.
In this case we have proffesional marketers + very poor RR system and smallish real account. It's a poor quality ingredients product. I also suspect that there's Leo team representative here hiding behind a fake identity.

Please think logically, if that EA is so good why the hell would they sell it? Or if it's that good why the hell they trade $500 instead of few hundred k or few mln? If you have a money printer at home would you sell it for $150???????

You've seen $500 real account and 4 months history and you allready can't sleep of happiness. I can't understand the points of your admiration.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
Členem od Nov 26, 2010   126 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 20:58
Again. We've both made our points and its no longer constructive to carry on at this point. Time will tell. Lets leave it at that.

At the end of the day we're looking for the same thing. An EA we can stick on our accounts. I've not found one that I'm totally comfortable with but am using because its the least bad.

What have you found that has met your criteria for being a reasonably safe EA? And don't take this as an affront. Just trying to keep it constructive here.
Členem od Feb 16, 2010   1332 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 21:15 (Upravené Dec 23, 2010 at 21:25)
rayong1 posted:
    Again. We've both made our points and its no longer constructive to carry on at this point. Time will tell. Lets leave it at that.

At the end of the day we're looking for the same thing. An EA we can stick on our accounts. I've not found one that I'm totally comfortable with but am using because its the least bad.

What have you found that has met your criteria for being a reasonably safe EA? And don't take this as an affront. Just trying to keep it constructive here.

I've been searching and trying to build the perfect EA since 2005 and still haven't found/created it. So far I'm not a happy automated trader so I'm allready transfering all my efforts into manual trading systems because although manual trading sucks in general, humans are still more intelligent than machines and no matter how powerful a computer could be they lack the power of adapting to changes, they only stick to the predefined algorithms. We've heard a lot about neural programming and self learning programs but it's actually only marketing hype or if it even exists it won't be sold for $150. So basically I would never buy an EA because if it really works they won't sell it or at least not for $150. So far I've seen only 1 decent EA and it's sold for 1000 EUR/year or 5000 EUR unlimited license. Is it worth it, yes if you trade a 100k account but in my case it's not worth to buy. Is it perfect - NO and it cannot be.. never.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
Členem od Feb 20, 2010   152 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 21:44 (Upravené Dec 23, 2010 at 21:44)
Hey friends, I have not read all the discussion there (but I have read a lot), and for me the low price is a problem like Solar keeps talking about. Can anyone who has purchased the EA tell me if there is an explicit guarantee of unlimited use and what about future updates? In other words, is there any possibility that this company could be getting clients in the door for the low price and then in the near future may say something to the effect of 'we are going to a subscription service now which uses our 'latest' version and this will now require a monthly fee, etc.' Of course current users would be free to use the version they purchased, but now, maybe this 'older' version doesn't trade as successfully? So time to go to the subscription service?

I'm just being skeptical trying to figure this pricing issue out. I know I would never sell an EA that produces this kind of profit (just like I won't sell my humble EA for any amount) I would use it for a subscription service.

Cheers
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Členem od Jun 02, 2010   20 příspěvků
Dec 23, 2010 at 22:15
i liked the SOLAR(forexema) comments over here , he is very practical and he is talking real time stuff. Truth is always bitter
Členem od Nov 26, 2010   126 příspěvků
Dec 25, 2010 at 10:50
Can someone provide the login details for the usdchf and usdjpy account?
Členem od Mar 06, 2010   3 příspěvků
Dec 27, 2010 at 12:23

rayong1 posted:
    Can someone provide the login details for the usdchf and usdjpy account?
login 2729
password LTP15112010
Členem od Nov 26, 2010   126 příspěvků
Dec 27, 2010 at 13:51
Thanks
Členem od Nov 15, 2010   183 příspěvků
Dec 29, 2010 at 21:25
My Fin FX demo has missed 1 GU Buy from yesterday and 1 GU Buy from today, and this fact pisses me right off. Yes this is a demo account as opposed to the real account that they are running at Fin FX, but 2 missed trades in 2 days is not good.

 I didnt lose my internet at all and double checked all of my settings, nothing has changed. The EU Buy from yesterday closed out today at +10 pips in profit, which matched the numbers and time of there EU Buy.

 Anyone else have any missed trades??
Členem od Oct 03, 2010   12 příspěvků
Dec 29, 2010 at 22:55
I did not miss these trades but something worse happened to me. Leo had a buy Eurusd yesterday which was -100pips at one moment. My SL was at 330pips but for some strange reason it was closed with a loss of -97pips. The demo account held it and closed it with +10 pips today. Pipsquick, is it true that finfx offers less than 1 pip eurusd spread?
Členem od Nov 26, 2010   126 příspěvků
Dec 29, 2010 at 23:05
Has anyone experienced what John just did where the LTP closed out a trade with a 100 pip loss? So far their account seems sterling but reality is not quite the same.
Členem od Dec 12, 2010   19 příspěvků
Dec 30, 2010 at 00:00
I'm having the same problem wth trades not opening. Here is the email I sent to support just now:

Hello, on your live account #1331 two trades were opened around the 00:00 hour, one EUR/USD sell @1.32197 and one sell @1.45858 GBP/USD. Why did not those trades open on my FXDD account. I have everything set right. I am mql programmer so I know how to do it right. If the signals were too late then why not a message in the log about it? But there is no message and EA is running fine. Please help.
Členem od Nov 15, 2010   183 příspěvků
Dec 30, 2010 at 00:53
To answer John's questions about Fin FX, the spread can be lower than 1 pip, but then you have to add the commissions of $7.00 per round turn.

 I had the same Buy on the EU and it was closed out today at +10 pips which was exactly what there live account did, but I would be much more pissed off at losing -100 pips on the same trade. But it missed both GU trades and that's not good. I realize that this is demo world, but it just seems to me that there is some glitches with this LTP, and that's why you demo test it first before any live trading!!
Členem od Nov 15, 2010   183 příspěvků
Dec 30, 2010 at 00:58
Now there is an Open EU & GU Sells that were just placed, anyone get those because I sure as hell didn't.
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