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Manual Trading and Automated which One Do You Think Is More Profitable?
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odiaerospace

Mitglied seit Mar 03, 2010  22 Beiträge Mr Scalper (odiaerospace) Jul 12 2010 at 11:04 (bearbeitet Jul 12 2010 at 11:05 )
Good Day People
        i just want to know the opinions of people about between Manual and Authomated which one u think is more profitable, i have never done Authomated before, and trading manual gives me more than what i needed in profits.
        So can u tell me bout urs? lets just share our views here.
   
    Thank You

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stevetrade

Mitglied seit Oct 28, 2009  1292 Beiträge Steve B (stevetrade) Jul 12 2010 at 11:18 (bearbeitet Jul 12 2010 at 11:20 )
Manual every time, as long as you can actually trade.

Unless you're using something exotic like a Martingale or opening multiple positions - but then systems like that have their risks and if you really wanted to you could use systems like this manually I guess.

Only reason I trade with EA's is because they suit my personality better than manual trading.

If you can trade manually, have the time for it and are making money stick at it I'd say.

In fact looking at your account, if you want to trade MY money as well then let me know smiley

11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
odiaerospace

Mitglied seit Mar 03, 2010  22 Beiträge Mr Scalper (odiaerospace) Jul 12 2010 at 12:27 (bearbeitet Jul 12 2010 at 12:29 )
stevetrade posted:
    Manual every time, as long as you can actually trade.

Unless you're using something exotic like a Martingale or opening multiple positions - but then systems like that have their risks and if you really wanted to you could use systems like this manually I guess.

Only reason I trade with EA's is because they suit my personality better than manual trading.

If you can trade manually, have the time for it and are making money stick at it I'd say.

In fact looking at your account, if you want to trade MY money as well then let me know smiley


how i wish i can, am fully occupied with 100k, 500k accounts and some millions accounts, and the minimum i do accept to trade is 100k now, this one u see on myfxbook account is just using 4 test to get an account of 5millions euros, and i dont like uploading my accounts on the sites, but i did it just 4 someone to be watching it 2tru herecool

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Elkart

Mitglied seit Aug 01, 2009  941 Beiträge Elkart (Elkart) Jul 12 2010 at 12:32 (bearbeitet Jul 12 2010 at 12:45 )
More than 5% of the NYSE's volume is traded by one company, fully auto.

http://www.tradebot.com/

That same guys also owns the third largest stock exchange in the world. Or a significant portion of it anyway.

http://batstrading.com/

They did all of that with automated trading systems. And are probably the leaders if not pioneers of high frequency trading. In other words these are the guys that mugg you when you try do a manual trade or even a slow black box trade on NYSE or one of the others.

I guess manual investing still works, but manual trading there are guys mugging you in 1/1000th of a second, where they see your transaction, buy what you were going to buy and sell it back to you at a higher price 1/1000th of a second later and you don't even know it happened.
 
Manual trading doesn't really stand much of a chance now days. That's what your up against. Super slick super fast black boxes with billion's behind them.

Recently I read a report where they were analyzing a strategy and determined for that strategy it was the most profitable if they traded every 1 second. Imagine, 1000 or 3000 stocks traded every 1 seconds!!

The debate is no longer what's best, but how to get into the automated side....

Chang beer is evil.
Elkart

Mitglied seit Aug 01, 2009  941 Beiträge Elkart (Elkart) Jul 12 2010 at 12:44
They should really stop HFT. Basically it means the game is rigged for a few privileged players. I'd rather go trade in China now days than NYSE....

Chang beer is evil.
Elkart

Mitglied seit Aug 01, 2009  941 Beiträge Elkart (Elkart) Jul 12 2010 at 15:38
But to answer the question. What is most profitable? Looking and Goldman Sachs and player like these I think the answer is very obvious.

Chang beer is evil.
odiaerospace

Mitglied seit Mar 03, 2010  22 Beiträge Mr Scalper (odiaerospace) Jul 12 2010 at 15:59 (bearbeitet Jul 12 2010 at 16:06 )
odiaerospace posted:
    stevetrade posted:
    Manual every time, as long as you can actually trade.

Unless you're using something exotic like a Martingale or opening multiple positions - but then systems like that have their risks and if you really wanted to you could use systems like this manually I guess.

Only reason I trade with EA's is because they suit my personality better than manual trading.

If you can trade manually, have the time for it and are making money stick at it I'd say.

In fact looking at your account, if you want to trade MY money as well then let me know smiley


how i wish i can, am fully occupied with 100k, 500k accounts and some millions accounts, and the minimum i do accept to trade is 100k now, this one u see on myfxbook account is just using 4 test to get an account of 5millions euros, and i dont like uploading my accounts on the sites, but i did it just 4 someone to be watching it 2tru herecool

 am tallking about forex, and not stock

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Elkart

Mitglied seit Aug 01, 2009  941 Beiträge Elkart (Elkart) Jul 12 2010 at 16:57 (bearbeitet Jul 12 2010 at 17:06 )
Think these operators are not into fx? Goldman? If I remember correctly one of their fx portfolio's did 22 000% for a single year.

I just have the information to prove the stock side after it became a news event because of the flash crash. I assure you they're doing the same to fx. Just have to wait till they flash crash a currency.....then the names will pop up and it be the same people.

Chang beer is evil.
Elkart

Mitglied seit Aug 01, 2009  941 Beiträge Elkart (Elkart) Jul 12 2010 at 17:22 (bearbeitet Jul 12 2010 at 17:28 )
The dollar is probably where it is because a black box is keeping it there. It should have the same value as toilet paper. Fed's been printing money for months and the more you have of something the less valuable it should be.

If you ask me we're heading for a black box induced crack up boom. People who ran the systems made billions and will continue to do so as economies fail. No manual trader can cope with the scope and volume of what's happening automated. Fx or otherwise. Just not quick enough I'm afraid.

What were doing with MT4 is a joke. A company like Tradebot can run through their entire portfolio, 10 000 stocks or more, do several transactions per stock on the NYSE, quicker than I can put down a single trade.

Chang beer is evil.
winnie_the_roo

Mitglied seit Feb 10, 2010  24 Beiträge winnie_the_roo Jul 13 2010 at 02:31
Even though I do write EAs from time to time just to keep myself amused, manual trading has proved to be more profitable. I could do a bit semi-auto trading just to help me to get a good entry or exit if I'm away from internet. But yes, same as Steve, manual any day.

Cheers.

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