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dhauer

Membre depuis Mar 09, 2012  14 messages dhauer Mar 10 2012 at 10:42
Hello, my name is Hobart and I am about to embark on a journey. My goal is to learn the Forex market from scratch. The hope is that I'll find something that excites me other than playing golf. It's become quite clear that golf will not pay the bills; I can't stand my sales job, and things need to change.

Obviously this is going to be a difficult task and it may never lead to something I can do as a career but at least I will have tried. In no way am I writing this for validation or any other vein reason. Simply put I'm writing this so that I can always come back to see what my thoughts were during this process. Like anything sometimes you'll need to get back to the basics and I hope this will provide me with a sort of 'live journal'.

To begin I want to state that my knowledge of this market is next to nil, I've been aware of it for years but never bothered to learn anything about it. Previously I've been licensed with a Series 7 as well as the 66 so I've always had an interest in the markets but never enjoyed working with clients so I changed directions. That being said though I've always had an interest in working within the markets in some way.

When posting here I will be brutally honest with myself, you as a reader may look at my decisions from time to time in an unfavorable light, that is okay but if nothing else please try to keep the comments constructive in nature and positive. That being said though I will be posting any information I find useful in my education, anything that happens during demo and live trading (when I get there) as well as all reasoning and results of every trade. Win or lose, I'll do it in public.

To start my education I've decided on three resources that I will consider my 'elementary school' education. To begin my education I've begun studying the training on www.forexonlinelearning.com. So far it has been very helpful in explaining the basics. In the past 5 days I've made it through approximately half the material and taken roughly 2 notepads worth of notes. I'll be working to try and digest all of this course by the end of this weekend.

At this point I've also ordered the following books:

Economics Explained
by Peter Maunder

How To Read The Financial Page
by Michael Brett

Technical Trading Online (Wiley Online Trad...
by Jerold Roth; Trader X

The New Elliott Wave Rule - Achieve Definitive Wave Counts
TS Hennessy

My goal with these books will be to add to my knowledge base and keep my mind focused on the markets, my goal will be to dedicate 2 hours o each of these books Tuesday-Friday and one hour on Monday.

Monday morning will be spent reviewing my notes from www.forexonlinelearning.com. In addition I will begin working through all of the training provided on www.babypips.com on Tuesday morning at 8am,. Tuesdays thru Thursdays will be spent from 8am - noon dedicated to my Forex education before I start my income job. Fridays will be spent from 8am - 3pm on FX education.

Although the training on BabyPips should only take me about a week the combination with the books will push that out to 2-3 weeks. Throughout this process I will update this page with what I've learned and the insights I've had, again so that I can always go back to basics.

Upon completion of the BabyPips training I'll be moving on to the plan outlined on www.prop-traders.net

dhauer

Membre depuis Mar 09, 2012  14 messages dhauer Mar 10 2012 at 22:52
Today I will be focusing on the following sections at www.forexonlinelearning.com

dhauer

Membre depuis Mar 09, 2012  14 messages dhauer Mar 11 2012 at 07:50
Started the above mentioned sections today at 2pm, finally closing it up now just before 10pm. Learned quite a bit regarding fundamental analysis but see that this is an endless learning process and that gets me motivated to consume more information.

Will need to look for a tutorial on how to read and interpret the COT report better though. The information on www.forexonlinelearning.com is good but nowhere near detailed enough for my tastes. Was able to locate the report online though and sign up to receive the report to my e-mail immediately upon release.

Early on if I had to say one way or another how I am feeling regarding my personal style I've come up with the following:

Fundamental Analysis will be used to identify entry points in to specific pairs.

Technical Analysis will then be needed to determine the appropriate time to enter each trade and take profits or curtail losses. With regards to the technical analysis I will focus on the 5m chart and look to confirm trends using the 15m and 1h charts.

Early technical indicators that I will be focusing on include:

Relative Strength Index (RSI)
Moving Average Convergence-Divergence (MACD)
Bollinger Bands

I'll also be trying to learn more about Elliott Wave Theory and in that interest I will be replacing the book

The New Elliott Wave Rule - Achieve Definitive Wave Counts
TS Hennessy

with

Elliott Wave Principle: Key to Market Behavior
by Robert R. Prechter, Jr.& A.J. Frost

before moving on to the previously mentioned book.

From here I will complete the following sections on www.forexonlinelearning.com

paddleplus

Membre depuis Jul 12, 2011  9 messages paddleplus Mar 11 2012 at 20:35
Hi
Wow! you are doing your home work. I just have a little sujestion on charts. Those small time frames will put a lot of stress on you.
You might start of with H4,D1 charts. To much noise in small time frames.
Pip On
Paddleplus

dhauer

Membre depuis Mar 09, 2012  14 messages dhauer Mar 12 2012 at 22:04
Hey Paddlepuss,

I'll definitely be doing some testing with demo accounts on longer time frame charts as well. As far as what I wrote above that is just my initial ideas about how I will operate. At the end of the day though whatever TF helps me produce the desired results will be the one I work with. Thanks for the suggestions.

Hobart

dhauer

Membre depuis Mar 09, 2012  14 messages dhauer Mar 15 2012 at 07:09
Things are going well so far, finished up the ForexOnlineLearning site yesterday. Got a bit behind because we had a 60 degree day here in Michigan on Sunday and that required me getting out of my house for a bit to enjoy it. Started the BabyPips stuff and so far it seems more or less like a re-tread of what I've already done. Hopefully there will be at least a little new information there but if not it should help to reinforce what I've already learned. Tonight I'll be trying to complete at least the 'Elementary' and 'Middle School' sections on BabyPips.

Still waiting on the books I've ordered to arrive but big props to Amazon, $26 for four different books is a heck of a deal. In the meantime I've been reading Wealth of Nations (Adam Smith) on my kindle at night and outlining the beginning of my Trading Plan as it stands so far. Once I have a complete plan in place I'll be posting it here for everyone to review. When I finish Wealth of Nations I'll continue my basic Economics education with the following books in order:

The Economic Consequences of the Peace by John Maynard Keynes

The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money by John Maynard Keynes

Monetary Theory and the Trade Cycle by F.A. Hayek

A Monetary History of the United States by Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz

On Keynesian Economics and the Economics of Keynes by Axel Leijonhufvud

Economic Forces at Work by Armen Alchian

Information and Coordination by Axel Leijonhufvud

Figure I'll focus my nightly reading on the cornerstones works of Economics and continue my reading of market related work during the time I've set aside to trade (8am to Noon EST) when I get to that point.

Anywhere that's where I'm at so far so I'll just keep plugging away.

trixifx

Membre depuis Jan 16, 2010  41 messages trixifx Mar 15 2012 at 21:28
Perhaps the following books could be of interest to you:
Market Wizards (all 3 of them - 3rd one is not as good, but there are one or two very good interviews
Reminiscences of a stock operator
Way of the Turtle

Just my opinion, but it looks like you are over-complicating things. Trading should be really simple. The more variables you add, the more convoluted and less robust things become.

Have you started with a real account yet? If not, I would suggest starting an account with an amount of real money that is big enough that you would feel pain by losing it, but not so big that it affects your lifestyle.

dhauer

Membre depuis Mar 09, 2012  14 messages dhauer Mar 15 2012 at 22:28
Hi Trixifx,

Thanks for the input, the books you mentioned are definitely on my long term reading list. As I'm sure you can tell I like to read a lot as it is.

As far as over complicating thing I'm going to have to disagree on that one. I'm looking at what I am doing right now as basic training. It would not make sense to me to jump in to a trillion dollar market without first knowing the rules of engagement. It's possible I could read 200 books it doesn't mean I am going to try and take every little thing from each one and use it all. It has more to do with being fully aware of what I am seeing and reading and having a clear understanding of how it will affect my trades. That being said though I agree that trading should be simple and that is why I am building a plan, if the plan works my goal is to take the emotion out of my trades and stick with the system I put together.

As far as starting a real account the answer is no, not yet. My plan is to start trading a demo account at the end of the month based on the trading plan I am working on now. Up until now I have just been trading a few demo accounts with no real direction or plan. Main goal has been to try out a few platforms and isolate the one I'd like to work with and from there learning the ins and outs of order entry stop losses etc. The last thing I want to do is lose a bunch of cash because I wasn't sure how to enter my order properly. I've already had two trades go south because I entered an order I thought would do one thing and was incorrect so I got burned.

I'll get to the real trading, just have to do it at my own pace and start when I am comfortable.

trixifx

Membre depuis Jan 16, 2010  41 messages trixifx Mar 16 2012 at 13:20 (édité à Mar 16 2012 at 13:27 )
I see you also list a lot of economics book. I can't remember much of economics from university, but I do remember the name John Maynard Keynes. After I started trading, I found a quote of his which goes something like this 'The markets can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent.' twist

Regarding demo - I'd avoid it at all costs. The emotional impact is completely different. Generally with demo if something doesn't go as planned, it's pretty easy to start fresh. Real trading doesn't work that way. Perseverance is absolutely critical in this game.

You can start at OANDA with as little as $100 and they offer the most flexible position sizing. To date, you have probably spent more on books.

Edit: Just saw your comment on getting burned on those two trades. With OANDA you can trade in position sizes of 1 unit. Thus if you do get burned the effect is very small. Initially, I always tested my trades by betting 1 unit.

dhauer

Membre depuis Mar 09, 2012  14 messages dhauer Mar 28 2012 at 02:58
Still working through all of these books I've gotten, taking a bit longer than anticipated as they are not exactly light reading. ON another note I'm starting to test out the different platforms I've found so far. So far my favorite platform is Tradestation II, second would be the Viking platform through FxDD but they don't exactly have the greatest reviews from other traders. Tried the MT4 platform and I honestly don't love it, I don like the ability to run EA's but I'm not really planning to trade using EA's so I'm not sure whether that will turn out to be important to me at this point.

Does anyone reading have any opinions regarding Tradestation vs. MT4? The Viking platform is essentially out at this point because it is only available through FxDD.

At this point I've ruled out FxDD, FXCM, Oanda and a few others as far as brokers go. From the due diligence I've done so far I am leaning towards ATC Brokers for a multitude of reasons. Some of those include:

Low Spreads
Fixed Commission per micro-lot
Excellent reviews online regarding the actual trading as well as customer service

If anyone has anything to add to this regarding platforms and or brokers please feel free to comment.

In other news I'll be posting some of what I've put together for my trading plan soon. Happy trading everyone!

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