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Hello guys! Now I manage account with ICMarkets and you can watch it https://www.myfxbook.com/members/maxulr/fuzzylogic-ic-markets/1917636. Although there were less than 30 +'s, I decided to take this 'challenge'. I wanted to connect this account here before new year holidays but holiday affairs interfered my plans. But here it goes anyway. Happy New Year guys😉

Fuze posted:
Both wiseinvest and maximilian have some of the most impressive track records on fxbook. It will be interested to see who wins this debate. I can understand why wiseinvest feels that maximiian's records may be fixed through the broker. I have heard of unregulated brokers doing such thing to attract clients. But on the other hand maximilian is not selling any ea's, signal services or offering to manage any account. I don't know if this is a bate tactic or if the guy is genuine. Bernie Madoff attracted a lot of investors by keeping his fund elite. He always made it seem like he didn't need the investors, they needs him. At the end, 50 billion dollars was gone and all the investors was wiped out. Nothing personal miximilian, just making an observation. I live in NY and if I had the ability that these guys have I would get the proper license and open up a managed account firm. With this track record the investors would just come rolling in. Beside I have 2000 shares of UPS stocks I would like to dump and do something with but can afford to give it to anyone that makes any claims without proper scrutiny. I would like to think that people are genuine but unfortunately people come with hidden agendas. Perhaps that is why wiseinvest view things the way he does. maximilian I know you are probably on here to just share. But people are asking what's the point. You are not teaching or helping anyone to attempt to get close to your level, and I don't think anyone is asking you to do it for free. People are willing to pay for it and a lot of people on here trust you enough to let you manage their funds. Again nothing personal.

Another good post, Fuze!

My feeling is that this thread is following Bernie Madoff's tactics, i.e. making it sound like a ''privilege'' to be allowed to join a scam broker with large capitals only, like Bernie did before moving into prison for life.

A more recent event was the NZ-registered 3TGFx broker which did the same Ponzi scheme as Bernie Madoff, but it was 'smarter', letting 'independent trader teams' to manage (and finally crash) all client accounts at once. Of course all reported trades were carefully handcrafted for years and the trade orders have never seen the market. So when all ended by the 'trader teams', 3TGFx could blame these 'teams' before 'falling off the Earth' in June of 2016 with 6 million USD client funds. And legally they were 'off the hook'...

But ''Hey, you never know!'... Lets see that ICM account and compare the results with the Gainsy account.

Just in case anyone were interested in Gainsy brokers ForexPeaceArmy Review, here is the link:
https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-reviews/9821/www.gainsy.com

An excerpt from a 2015 ForexPeaceArmy 'Gainsy' review: 'It is a pure scam. They are pretending a track record of fantastic deals. Once you give them money, everything continues. Your account is bigger and bigger and they are attracting more victims. When you want to withdraw money from PAMM account, they suddenly postpone ROLLOVER to one month. During this period they open unreasonable positions, which make huge losses and your money are gone. This happens me twice on SVETLII and itschimokuALL traders. ALL LOSS MAKING AND PROFIT MAKING DEALS ARE ARTIFICIAL !!!! I have lost a lot of money but what is a proof ? I do not have any kind of proof!'

It sounds exactly like what 3TGFx did (as mentioned above).

So it is 'mind bogging' why would someone trust such a large fund on a well-known scam broker... Unless...

maxulr posted:
Hello guys! Now I manage account with ICMarkets and you can watch it https://www.myfxbook.com/members/maxulr/fuzzylogic-ic-markets/1917636. Although there were less than 30 +'s, I decided to take this 'challenge'. I wanted to connect this account here before new year holidays but holiday affairs interfered my plans. But here it goes anyway. Happy New Year guys😉

Ooooops...! The 'Custom Date' results (incl. number of trades) on the Gainsy account - for the same time period shown on the ICM account - are completely different from the ones on the Gainsy account...

In other words: the two accounts have different trades... meaning running different strategies...

I'll + that too, so let's rock and roll

@FxMasterGuru When the month's period ends I will open trading history and you will be able to see, that the deals on both accounts are almost identical. As you might understand, due to different balance amount, there are some unavoidable tweaks to the strategy and risk management, but overall it is the same.
Also note that my trading is manual and different brokers provide slightly different quotes.

FxMasterGuru posted:

Fuze posted:
Both wiseinvest and maximilian have some of the most impressive track records on fxbook. It will be interested to see who wins this debate. I can understand why wiseinvest feels that maximiian's records may be fixed through the broker. I have heard of unregulated brokers doing such thing to attract clients. But on the other hand maximilian is not selling any ea's, signal services or offering to manage any account. I don't know if this is a bate tactic or if the guy is genuine. Bernie Madoff attracted a lot of investors by keeping his fund elite. He always made it seem like he didn't need the investors, they needs him. At the end, 50 billion dollars was gone and all the investors was wiped out. Nothing personal miximilian, just making an observation. I live in NY and if I had the ability that these guys have I would get the proper license and open up a managed account firm. With this track record the investors would just come rolling in. Beside I have 2000 shares of UPS stocks I would like to dump and do something with but can afford to give it to anyone that makes any claims without proper scrutiny. I would like to think that people are genuine but unfortunately people come with hidden agendas. Perhaps that is why wiseinvest view things the way he does. maximilian I know you are probably on here to just share. But people are asking what's the point. You are not teaching or helping anyone to attempt to get close to your level, and I don't think anyone is asking you to do it for free. People are willing to pay for it and a lot of people on here trust you enough to let you manage their funds. Again nothing personal.

Another good post, Fuze!

My feeling is that this thread is following Bernie Madoff's tactics, i.e. making it sound like a ''privilege'' to be allowed to join a scam broker with large capitals only, like Bernie did before moving into prison for life.

A more recent event was the NZ-registered 3TGFx broker which did the same Ponzi scheme as Bernie Madoff, but it was 'smarter', letting 'independent trader teams' to manage (and finally crash) all client accounts at once. Of course all reported trades were carefully handcrafted for years and the trade orders have never seen the market. So when all ended by the 'trader teams', 3TGFx could blame these 'teams' before 'falling off the Earth' in June of 2016 with 6 million USD client funds. And legally they were 'off the hook'...

But ''Hey, you never know!'... Lets see that ICM account and compare the results with the Gainsy account.

Just in case anyone were interested in Gainsy brokers ForexPeaceArmy Review, here is the link:
https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-reviews/9821/www.gainsy.com

An excerpt from a 2015 ForexPeaceArmy 'Gainsy' review: 'It is a pure scam. They are pretending a track record of fantastic deals. Once you give them money, everything continues. Your account is bigger and bigger and they are attracting more victims. When you want to withdraw money from PAMM account, they suddenly postpone ROLLOVER to one month. During this period they open unreasonable positions, which make huge losses and your money are gone. This happens me twice on SVETLII and itschimokuALL traders. ALL LOSS MAKING AND PROFIT MAKING DEALS ARE ARTIFICIAL !!!! I have lost a lot of money but what is a proof ? I do not have any kind of proof!'

It sounds exactly like what 3TGFx did (as mentioned above).

So it is 'mind bogging' why would someone trust such a large fund on a well-known scam broker... Unless...

@FxMasterGuru
well if he would be able to get the same results on IcMarkets then it is real, right?

Well, well, well; let the public results from ICM be the 'proof is in the pudding'

FxMasterGuru posted:

Fuze posted:
Both wiseinvest and maximilian have some of the most impressive track records on fxbook. It will be interested to see who wins this debate. I can understand why wiseinvest feels that maximiian's records may be fixed through the broker. I have heard of unregulated brokers doing such thing to attract clients. But on the other hand maximilian is not selling any ea's, signal services or offering to manage any account. I don't know if this is a bate tactic or if the guy is genuine. Bernie Madoff attracted a lot of investors by keeping his fund elite. He always made it seem like he didn't need the investors, they needs him. At the end, 50 billion dollars was gone and all the investors was wiped out. Nothing personal miximilian, just making an observation. I live in NY and if I had the ability that these guys have I would get the proper license and open up a managed account firm. With this track record the investors would just come rolling in. Beside I have 2000 shares of UPS stocks I would like to dump and do something with but can afford to give it to anyone that makes any claims without proper scrutiny. I would like to think that people are genuine but unfortunately people come with hidden agendas. Perhaps that is why wiseinvest view things the way he does. maximilian I know you are probably on here to just share. But people are asking what's the point. You are not teaching or helping anyone to attempt to get close to your level, and I don't think anyone is asking you to do it for free. People are willing to pay for it and a lot of people on here trust you enough to let you manage their funds. Again nothing personal.

Another good post, Fuze!

My feeling is that this thread is following Bernie Madoff's tactics, i.e. making it sound like a ''privilege'' to be allowed to join a scam broker with large capitals only, like Bernie did before moving into prison for life.

A more recent event was the NZ-registered 3TGFx broker which did the same Ponzi scheme as Bernie Madoff, but it was 'smarter', letting 'independent trader teams' to manage (and finally crash) all client accounts at once. Of course all reported trades were carefully handcrafted for years and the trade orders have never seen the market. So when all ended by the 'trader teams', 3TGFx could blame these 'teams' before 'falling off the Earth' in June of 2016 with 6 million USD client funds. And legally they were 'off the hook'...

But ''Hey, you never know!'... Lets see that ICM account and compare the results with the Gainsy account.

Just in case anyone were interested in Gainsy brokers ForexPeaceArmy Review, here is the link:
https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-reviews/9821/www.gainsy.com

An excerpt from a 2015 ForexPeaceArmy 'Gainsy' review: 'It is a pure scam. They are pretending a track record of fantastic deals. Once you give them money, everything continues. Your account is bigger and bigger and they are attracting more victims. When you want to withdraw money from PAMM account, they suddenly postpone ROLLOVER to one month. During this period they open unreasonable positions, which make huge losses and your money are gone. This happens me twice on SVETLII and itschimokuALL traders. ALL LOSS MAKING AND PROFIT MAKING DEALS ARE ARTIFICIAL !!!! I have lost a lot of money but what is a proof ? I do not have any kind of proof!'

It sounds exactly like what 3TGFx did (as mentioned above).

So it is 'mind bogging' why would someone trust such a large fund on a well-known scam broker... Unless...

Well said! despite efforts of pointing out warning signs I think that people are searching for the holy grail and this master being that can take them into the millions (greed) that it will block their ability to do proper due diligence of what they are getting into. As you read the postings there are still people throwing up + signs even after Fuzzylogic claimed to discover that the challenge was trick and would no longer participate. But now all over sudden he had a change of heart and decided to do it. What changed from him investigating Wininvest and discovering that it was a trick to copy his trade to now wanting to do it. Again nothing personal, but this is a classic case of Bernie Madoff syndrome. Next he is going to open his management to all the people that send out their +'s and they will be the privileged ones, so it seems. The fact that he decided to suddenly do this raises my alert level because Fuzzylogic don't know anyone from this post from Adam so why go out of your way to prove anything to us! Your account has an excellent results, so it seems and you've got plenty of money to trade and make an income. So what is the point....It just does not add up. If you notice there are not discussions about strategies, money management skills, risk divergence, pairs to avoid, etc..... so what are we learning or getting from this. Its just Fuzzylogic and his great returns and oh boy if only he can manage my account for me or sell me his EA and I would be a millionaire in no time. I will probably get blocked from this post but really I'm not trying to rock the boat. Just pointing out certain things that people should thing about. I've had in my lifetime net worth into the millions and I wish at the time I had advisers to point out certain investments that I've made. Because of that in 2008 I lost 2.7 million dollars between the stock market and real estate nearly my whole net worth and that brought me down to my knees. So whatever your net worth is, learn to protect and conserve it.
 

@Fuze There is nothing strange, that I decided to take the challenge. I got enough + here and enough PM requests.
Also I wanted to end this pointless chatter here.
Note, that the account is not from a person, that challenged me, because there was a very fishy situation with him.
You may notice there are no discussions about strategies, money management skills, risk divergence and pairs to avoid, because none asks me about it. Most try buy my 'EA'(much more often to get it for free), or to expose my 'evil plans' advertising themselves at the same time.

By the way, I have already fulfilled the conditions of the challenge. In this month I already have +40%.

wiseinvest posted:
I will gladly up the ante here.. If you can duplicate this performance on a main stream broker, I will send you my i7 notebook and s7 cellphone, to wherever in the world.

wiseinvest posted:
...
My offer still stands, regardless if you need it or not.. I said 'I will send anywhere in the world' so not necessarily to you. I am sure your aunt's gardener will be happy with it.
It is really simple guys.. Go look at the autoproviders here.. between 0 and 30% a month max.

@togr

Yes, if we saw the SAME results, then PROBABLY it is legit... SAME = ''NO IFS, ANDs or BUTs'', except for +/- minor slippages.

However, just recently we have seen a SCAM EA discussed on MFB (sold and bought by a couple of MyFxBook members for $10k+), the results of which were VERIFIED at a mainstream, well-regulated and reputable broker.

Which makes one wonder what hackers capable of today... or what reputable brokers are willing to do...

Anyway, the FINAL proof to me (personally) would be if I could see the same exact trades (+/- slippage) on my personal FCA-regulated broker account, or on a live account of a well-known and highly vouched 'scam hunter' MyFxBook member, like you Tomas.

There's a whole lot of speculation and derisive BS going on here.

At first it's all, 'let's see an ICMarkets account' and now that he's doing one, it's all, 'but the trades aren't exact or why is he showing it now, etc.'

The bottom line is, we should all be adults here. All capable of making our own decisions and doing our own due diligence. It is appreciated that a few of you take the time to expose scammers but complaining about someone doing what you asked him to do is, quite frankly, silly.

Similarly, assuming that he's going to open a tradecopy or managed account is silly because, up to this point, this has not even been mentioned by the guy. Nothing I've seen in all his posts suggests that he is trying to prove something to any of us.

I fear that some people are so blinded by cynicism and/or past experiences that they miss certain things, like open mindedness, opportunities and literally the fact that Madoff is not part of this thread and likening someone to him who isn't selling anything is downright rude.

This is obviously just my opinion ...

@Fuze, @FxMasterGuru 😄😄and everyone that has helped open our eyes, many thanks for the time you have put in to research and jot down your comments and observations, much appreciated. Though i put a +, unless i'm fully satisfied that the claims are all legit and kosher, i'll protect and conserve my capital/equity and strictly keep with me, that's where I know it's safest.😄😄

FxMasterGuru posted:
@togr

Yes, if we saw the SAME results, then PROBABLY it is legit... SAME = ''NO IFS, ANDs or BUTs'', except for +/- minor slippages.

However, just recently we have seen a SCAM EA discussed on MFB (sold and bought by a couple of MyFxBook members for $10k+), the results of which were VERIFIED at a mainstream, well-regulated and reputable broker.

Which makes one wonder what hackers capable of today... or what reputable brokers are willing to do...

Anyway, the FINAL proof to me (personally) would be if I could see the same exact trades (+/- slippage) on my personal FCA-regulated broker account, or on a live account of a well-known and highly vouched 'scam hunter' MyFxBook member, like you Tomas.

@FxMasterGuru
Which scam EA - verified on reputable broker do you mean? Was it Nillones?

togr posted:

FxMasterGuru posted:
@togr

Yes, if we saw the SAME results, then PROBABLY it is legit... SAME = ''NO IFS, ANDs or BUTs'', except for +/- minor slippages.

However, just recently we have seen a SCAM EA discussed on MFB (sold and bought by a couple of MyFxBook members for $10k+), the results of which were VERIFIED at a mainstream, well-regulated and reputable broker.

Which makes one wonder what hackers capable of today... or what reputable brokers are willing to do...

Anyway, the FINAL proof to me (personally) would be if I could see the same exact trades (+/- slippage) on my personal FCA-regulated broker account, or on a live account of a well-known and highly vouched 'scam hunter' MyFxBook member, like you Tomas.

@FxMasterGuru
Which scam EA - verified on reputable broker do you mean? Was it Nillones?

Yes, correct. It was Nillones.

FxMasterGuru posted:

togr posted:

FxMasterGuru posted:
@togr

Yes, if we saw the SAME results, then PROBABLY it is legit... SAME = ''NO IFS, ANDs or BUTs'', except for +/- minor slippages.

However, just recently we have seen a SCAM EA discussed on MFB (sold and bought by a couple of MyFxBook members for $10k+), the results of which were VERIFIED at a mainstream, well-regulated and reputable broker.

Which makes one wonder what hackers capable of today... or what reputable brokers are willing to do...

Anyway, the FINAL proof to me (personally) would be if I could see the same exact trades (+/- slippage) on my personal FCA-regulated broker account, or on a live account of a well-known and highly vouched 'scam hunter' MyFxBook member, like you Tomas.

@FxMasterGuru
Which scam EA - verified on reputable broker do you mean? Was it Nillones?

Yes, correct. It was Nillones.

I assume it was arbitrage as he did make tremendous profit,
close the account and start new at another broker ASAP,
why would change broker if not for arbitrage.
And I am sorry for being offtopic
I am NOT trying to say Fuzzy is anything mentioned above.

Rather impressive move, I mean it. I haven't yet seen anyone taking this kind of action here. Let's see how ICMarkets account performs, good luck

Good luck with the IC Markets account, kudos to providing an account to follow on a reputable broker. cheers