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Winsor's Five Trading EAs in Real Time

Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 05:32
1341 posts
my funds does not interest anybody here including you due I am not account manager. I manage my money. only mine 😉

NextLevelForex (NextLevelForex)
Dec 23 2011 at 06:39
262 posts

   walker36 posted:
   if they also agree Remus , Chikot and Will Schaarrand as witnesses


I recommend you don't take this bet, Steve! I don't like how Winsor is replying to the very normal request of opening up the trading history. Why should you write even a 'sorry, you were right' post if he does that? It's your right to ask for transparency!

Just think of the amount of time it would take him to make the account public, versus the amount of time to type all the posts since then. I'm amazed to his reluctance to do as you asked, since in my view it makes him look like not willing to deal nicely with 'difficult' customers. What happens if you invest with him, have a losing period, and ask for clarifying questions, to help you decide whether it's time to pull the plug?

I just read the posts leading to this 'dispute', and what I see is the following:
- Steve asked why the account was marked private; Winsor said he withdrew funds; Steve said that's not a reason to mark it private, account can stay public and put something like 'closed' in the title; several other people joined the conversation and agreed with Steve (btw, I also agree)
- Winsor replied with long posts since the original request, on topics he cared about (advertising his work), and very short posts actually dealing with the request; those posts I read as having an 'if you don't like it, get lost, I'll get other clients anyway' attitude
- Winsor is now trying to make Steve lead an advertising campaign by writing a 500-word post, in which I assume he wants Steve not only to say how right Winsor was all along, but also how well his systems are performing (500 words is a lot...)
- Winsor is calling Steve liar ('not a man of his words'), 'full of it', cheap (as in 'Steve does not have the money to invest in Winsor's accounts anyway), while Steve did not use such verbal aggression in any of the previous conversations

Btw, I met Winsor about 1 year ago, and briefly invested in 3 of his accounts (Haley, Mellisa, Sienna). I happen to catch a very poorly performing period. I decided to stop trading his systems because even over the long term I did not like the amount of potential profits in relation to the monthly fees. I did not look at his systems since then, being focuses on other things.

Those are my 2 cents, since you asked me to be a witness to this bet.

Remus

He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford
Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 07:11
1341 posts
Remus

thank you for valuable input and the summery of what happened that bring that challenge on the table.
as I have mentioned several times I AM NOT AGAINST TO ANY SYSTEM OR ANYBODY. ALSO I AM NOT IGNORANT.

But when some one come out with a system(s) and says 'this is making money' and collecting other peoples money to grow I surly want see the result.

If those are not ready to listen the critics about his system(s) that already publishing here or any other platform then I advise them to not publish.

I personally coded hundred of systems similiar to those systems here but I know that at some point those will loose. so I newer run on real account and not bring those to the attention of public.

I assume that;

Winsor is going to give here some good proofs that account has not blown.( more then %50 DD is an blown account according to my book. we can call that margin call.)

walker
 


   NextLevelForex posted:
   

   walker36 posted:
   if they also agree Remus , Chikot and Will Schaarrand as witnesses


I recommend you don't take this bet, Steve! I don't like how Winsor is replying to the very normal request of opening up the trading history. Why should you write even a 'sorry, you were right' post if he does that? It's your right to ask for transparency!

Just think of the amount of time it would take him to make the account public, versus the amount of time to type all the posts since then. I'm amazed to his reluctance to do as you asked, since in my view it makes him look like not willing to deal nicely with 'difficult' customers. What happens if you invest with him, have a losing period, and ask for clarifying questions, to help you decide whether it's time to pull the plug?

I just read the posts leading to this 'dispute', and what I see is the following:
- Steve asked why the account was marked private; Winsor said he withdrew funds; Steve said that's not a reason to mark it private, account can stay public and put something like 'closed' in the title; several other people joined the conversation and agreed with Steve (btw, I also agree)
- Winsor replied with long posts since the original request, on topics he cared about (advertising his work), and very short posts actually dealing with the request; those posts I read as having an 'if you don't like it, get lost, I'll get other clients anyway' attitude
- Winsor is now trying to make Steve lead an advertising campaign by writing a 500-word post, in which I assume he wants Steve not only to say how right Winsor was all along, but also how well his systems are performing (500 words is a lot...)
- Winsor is calling Steve liar ('not a man of his words'), 'full of it', cheap (as in 'Steve does not have the money to invest in Winsor's accounts anyway), while Steve did not use such verbal aggression in any of the previous conversations

Btw, I met Winsor about 1 year ago, and briefly invested in 3 of his accounts (Haley, Mellisa, Sienna). I happen to catch a very poorly performing period. I decided to stop trading his systems because even over the long term I did not like the amount of potential profits in relation to the monthly fees. I did not look at his systems since then, being focuses on other things.

Those are my 2 cents, since you asked me to be a witness to this bet.

Remus

Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 07:21
1341 posts
reminder 1


   walker36 posted:
   Hı Winsor

22-June, the day we discuss I have added 2 of your systems to my watch list that I am willing to fund


currently they are
Leah Real % -63.36
Jasmine Real % -51.25

if I have fund those with %50 + %50 in ~3 months the average P/L % would be % -57.30

I guess this is a different result what you mentioned on your last post and proof of my suggestion about same type of trades.

walker





Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 07:22
1341 posts
reminder 2

I hoe MFB can find out that deleted equity graph that was attached to the below post


   walker36 posted:
   Hı Winsor

Looking macro I agree
Dividing Risk into systems I agree
New entry to a System while loosing I agree

But when Looking macro I see Below. I see one basket full of eggs and half of my eggs are broken 😉

thanks anyway

I wish you luck and good profit.

regards
walker

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Chikot
Dec 23 2011 at 10:40
2299 posts
Battle is brewing 😲
I personally do not think account has blown but is in some DD.
Agree with Remus about writing long apology in case if account has not blown.

I am really amazed at the amount of strategies/ systems automated.
BTW, what is the difference between strategy and system anyway?

I think Windsor making data private has to do with emotions as it is not very pleasant to show results that ain't good.
Of course if Windsor is looking for clients for this system/ strategy account must be on for all to see.

I closed my account myself as I was bleeding funds for 3 months in a row. It also was very humiliating as I have never had such a long DD.
So, I can related but I am not looking for clients or join anybody at the moment due to family situation and other circumstances but when I start looking for it I will make my account 100% transparent again.




Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 11:03
1341 posts
below post from my thread.
at that moment each 2 accounts had > %85 DD
those data taken from Winsor tracked accounts.

at that week accounts stop updating.

what is a margin call for my fund %100 DD
if this is not called blown I will apologies with 1000 words.



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if I would start with 2 of Winsor systems the date I have decided to do, currently I would be LOST!

-%87 in one system

and

-%95 in another.

those systems were very profitable. with Low %DD on that date.

fyi

walker
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Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 11:12
1341 posts
BTW if we ask MFB support I am sure they can supply us those 2 accounts details about

-my tracking dates
-not updating period
-what is my track starting date & account balance
-what is my track ending date & account balance

this will give us the idea about what I am saying.

walker

Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 11:13
1341 posts
Chikot thank you for your input.

Steve Walker
walker36
Dec 23 2011 at 11:22
1341 posts
Winsor are you going to join us?

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