BluePanther posted:arpan366 posted:

Just go through the trade history and times. If a new trade is not opened in the same symbol when another is at a loss, it is not a martingale. Otherwise it is. I dont understand how lotsize helps.

On a martingale account the Lot size will prove beyond doubt that martingale is used.

Hence why Lot size helps. Now you understand.

How exactly will it prove anything? Please be specific with a real example where you can't say whether a system is a martingale or not without the lotsize.

arpan366 posted:BluePanther posted:arpan366 posted:

Just go through the trade history and times. If a new trade is not opened in the same symbol when another is at a loss, it is not a martingale. Otherwise it is. I dont understand how lotsize helps.

On a martingale account the Lot size will prove beyond doubt that martingale is used.

Hence why Lot size helps. Now you understand.

How exactly will it prove anything? Please be specific with a real example where you can't say whether a system is a martingale or not without the lotsize.

Sorry to intervene, but I never understood this debate, martingale is to increase lots, to recover from a loss, the martingale always, mathematically loses pips, can give you money, but never pips, so it is very simple to detect, I honestly do not understand the debate...

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togr
(togr)

Member Since Feb 22, 2011
4862 posts
May 10 2018 at 06:14

arpan366 posted:BluePanther posted:arpan366 posted:

Just go through the trade history and times. If a new trade is not opened in the same symbol when another is at a loss, it is not a martingale. Otherwise it is. I dont understand how lotsize helps.

On a martingale account the Lot size will prove beyond doubt that martingale is used.

Hence why Lot size helps. Now you understand.

How exactly will it prove anything? Please be specific with a real example where you can't say whether a system is a martingale or not without the lotsize.

Even though you hide lot size it is obvious you are using martingale. Simple math is enough.

tag

04.17.2018 16:17 04.17.2018 17:01 EURUSD Sell - 5.00 1.23520 1.23501 1.9 43m 0.04%

tag

04.13.2018 16:23 04.13.2018 21:37 EURUSD Sell -31.60 - 1.23217 1.23334 -11.7 5h 13m -0.08%

From those numbers I am able to tell you are using martingale with multiplier of 3!

Prove me I am wrong by showing history...lots

I dont know why all the talk about lot sizes. Just look at number of pips for each trade and compare it to actual gain/loss %. If a trade won 10 pips and made 1%, the leverage used is about 1:10. If its 10 pips and 2%, the leverage is 1:20. Simple...

frequencytrading posted:arpan366 posted:frequencytrading posted:arpan366 posted:frequencytrading posted:arpan366 posted:

My accounts. All manual so far. Any feedback/discussion from people using similar strategies (in description) would be highly appreciated.

1. Mean Reversion on Daily Closes (25% return with 6% max DD in 7 months)

https://www.myfxbook.com/members/arpan366/icm-mr-daily/2419110

2. Event/Data Based (31% return with 7% max DD in 10 months)

https://www.myfxbook.com/members/arpan366/pps-eventstrategy/2419114

3. Day Trading Micro Trends - dow (31% return with 7% max DD in 9 months)

https://www.myfxbook.com/members/arpan366/pps-harmonics/2419112

4. Day Trading Micro Trends - eurusd (3% return with 0.15% max DD in 2 months)

https://www.myfxbook.com/members/arpan366/icm-id-tf-eurusd/2500053

Nice system provided it's sustainable but why hide the lot size?

Thanks. I don't think this Annual Return/Drawdown ratio is sustainable. Will aim for something like 4-5. Lotsize is not a criteria for this forum. So prefer to keep it private.

READ THIS...

'5)No martingales! '

What does lotsize have to do with martingales? If you go through the trades, you can see that trades in the same currency are not opened when one is running at a loss. And martingales also include re-entering with the same lot size. Please do some basic groundwork before posting. Thanks.

You have intentionally hidden the lot sizes.

Doesn't martingales mean entering not with the NOT same lot size but with a bigger lot size to compensate for your bad entry?

I think not only are you missing basics but also experience or success lol

I have hidden lot sizes because i don't want random people looking at my equity. I am not here to raise money but to find like minded trades.

You can read about Martingales here:

https://www.profitf.com/articles/trading-methods/martingale-trading-method/

'So, to define Martingale from a forex trading approach, it is nothing but a process of cost averaging, where the exposure is increased (doubled) on losing trades.'

So, martingales can be constructed even while decreasing the lotsize on subsequent trades. I really don't understand what is so difficult here.

I have no entries where I have taken a trade while another is running at a loss. I always close losing trades before entering new ones.

Anyways i doubt if making personal attacks is the hallmark of a good trader/person and would like to discontinue this conversation. Thanks.

fxinvesta posted:arpan366 posted:

Just go through the trade history and times. If a new trade is not opened in the same symbol when another is at a loss, it is not a martingale. Otherwise it is. I dont understand how lotsize helps.

On a martingale account the Lot size will prove beyond doubt that martingale is used.

Hence why Lot size helps. Now you understand.

How exactly will it prove anything? Please be specific with a real example where you can't say whether a system is a martingale or not without the lotsize.

Sorry to intervene, but I never understood this debate, martingale is to increase lots, to recover from a loss, the martingale always, mathematically loses pips, can give you money, but never pips, so it is very simple to detect, I honestly do not understand the debate...

As an example for a martingale, if one has bot 1 lot EURUSD @ 1.2 and now the market is @ 1.19, one would buy again (hoping the market could go up) instead of closing. The lotsize could be the same as the first trade, double, triple, half, etc - it does not really matter. It does not matter if one buys 0.5 lots or 5 lots @ 1.19, it is still a martingale. It is easy to spot these trades by looking at trade history and entry/exit times. I don't understand the point that lotsize is necessary to detect martingales. Anyways i think we are wasting too much time on a very simple topic and would like to cease conversation. Thanks.

togr posted:

Just go through the trade history and times. If a new trade is not opened in the same symbol when another is at a loss, it is not a martingale. Otherwise it is. I dont understand how lotsize helps.

On a martingale account the Lot size will prove beyond doubt that martingale is used.

Hence why Lot size helps. Now you understand.

How exactly will it prove anything? Please be specific with a real example where you can't say whether a system is a martingale or not without the lotsize.

Even though you hide lot size it is obvious you are using martingale. Simple math is enough.

tag

04.17.2018 16:17 04.17.2018 17:01 EURUSD Sell - 5.00 1.23520 1.23501 1.9 43m 0.04%

tag

04.13.2018 16:23 04.13.2018 21:37 EURUSD Sell -31.60 - 1.23217 1.23334 -11.7 5h 13m -0.08%

From those numbers I am able to tell you are using martingale with multiplier of 3!

Prove me I am wrong by showing history...lots

First trade was opened on 13Apr18 at 16:23 and closed on 13Apr18 at 21:37. It lasted for about 5 hours and was closed at a loss. Second trade was opened on 17Apr18 at 16:17 (when the previous trade was obviously closed) and was closed on the same day at 17:01. It lasted for about an hour. The two trades were opened and closed 4 days apart from each other.

How is this a martingale? Why do you need lotsize to understand whether it is or not? Simple entry/exit times and prices should be enough. And seriously this is 'math'? You even managed to 'calculate' some 'multiplier':)

BluePanther
(BluePanther)

Member Since Jan 25, 2010
1353 posts
May 10 2018 at 08:17

arpan366 posted:

What does lotsize have to do with martingales?

Glad you finally have answered your own question; better than I could have answered.

Now you understand.

arpan366 posted:fxinvesta posted:

Just go through the trade history and times. If a new trade is not opened in the same symbol when another is at a loss, it is not a martingale. Otherwise it is. I dont understand how lotsize helps.

On a martingale account the Lot size will prove beyond doubt that martingale is used.

Hence why Lot size helps. Now you understand.

How exactly will it prove anything? Please be specific with a real example where you can't say whether a system is a martingale or not without the lotsize.

Sorry to intervene, but I never understood this debate, martingale is to increase lots, to recover from a loss, the martingale always, mathematically loses pips, can give you money, but never pips, so it is very simple to detect, I honestly do not understand the debate...

As an example for a martingale, if one has bot 1 lot EURUSD @ 1.2 and now the market is @ 1.19, one would buy again (hoping the market could go up) instead of closing. The lotsize could be the same as the first trade, double, triple, half, etc - it does not really matter. It does not matter if one buys 0.5 lots or 5 lots @ 1.19, it is still a martingale. It is easy to spot these trades by looking at trade history and entry/exit times. I don't understand the point that lotsize is necessary to detect martingales. Anyways i think we are wasting too much time on a very simple topic and would like to cease conversation. Thanks.

If you invent a new definition of martingale, to fit your ideas, you're right, but martingale is martingale and a martingale does not give pips, and that nobody can change it

*Risk comes from not knowing what you're doing.*