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sjkhaushu
May 13 2018 at 08:35
143 posts
togr posted:
sjkhaushu posted:
I dont know why all the talk about lot sizes. Just look at number of pips for each trade and compare it to actual gain/loss %. If a trade won 10 pips and made 1%, the leverage used is about 1:10. If its 10 pips and 2%, the leverage is 1:20. Simple...

Leverage has nothing to do with that.
The example above is about trade size not leverage


You seriously can not calculate the trade size based on number of pips and % of loss or gain??

Leverage has everything to do with trade size. Since you are commenting on everything at least you should know what you are talking about. I can tell you what trade size he used for every single trade without him having to open up that detail.

arpan366
May 13 2018 at 13:35
31 posts
BluePanther posted:
For argument's sake, please consider:
Martingale = EXPONENTIAL (CONSIDERABLE) INCREASE IN LOT SIZE (whether recovery trade, 8/10 signals, 50/50 chance, etc.)
Non-martingale = NO SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN LOT SIZE (commensurate increase in proportion to account permitted aka. money management [MM])


From my perspective, any increase in lotsize (substantial or non substantial) when a trade is running at a loss is a martingale and eventually leads to a blow up of the account. The only way to trade (again this is my personal opinion based on what i have tested so far) is to have a predefined stop loss and close the trade out when it gets there. Anything else is a recipe for eventual disaster. However, i have seen some traders trade anti-martingales successfully (increases size and tightens stops as the trade goes in their favour) and it seems like a possible viable strategy although i have never tested anything on my own. Thanks.

Providerrr
May 14 2018 at 06:27
3 posts
frequencytrading
May 14 2018 at 06:50
16 posts
Providerrr posted:
If you prefer low risk - high sharpe ratio try:
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Providerrr/mt4-44905/2467095


You took 7 trades in 8 months.

Matt (BluePanther)
May 14 2018 at 08:08
1354 posts
frequencytrading posted:
You took 7 trades in 8 months.


Slow and steady - but as MQL5.com states: 'The number of deals on the account is too small to evaluate trading quality'.

However, he does meet all five criteria:


1) The account must be REAL.
2) The account must be VERIFIED (all new public accounts must now be verified since five months ago)
3) DD < 40%
4) Account > 3 months
5) No martingales!

That's it. Only these five things. If your account passes that, feel free to let others know. There will be those that are disgruntled they cannot participate and will try to justify their way of trading, please ignore them - if it works for you, then great - maybe start a new thread and invite others trading that style to participate. - As I said, this place is not for arguing, it is for displaying accounts that potential investors might want to follow based on the criteria above. This thread is not intended to badmouth other trader's ways.

LongVision
May 14 2018 at 13:32
254 posts
arpan366 posted:
BluePanther posted:
For argument's sake, please consider:
Martingale = EXPONENTIAL (CONSIDERABLE) INCREASE IN LOT SIZE (whether recovery trade, 8/10 signals, 50/50 chance, etc.)
Non-martingale = NO SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN LOT SIZE (commensurate increase in proportion to account permitted aka. money management [MM])


From my perspective, any increase in lotsize (substantial or non substantial) when a trade is running at a loss is a martingale and eventually leads to a blow up of the account. The only way to trade (again this is my personal opinion based on what i have tested so far) is to have a predefined stop loss and close the trade out when it gets there. Anything else is a recipe for eventual disaster. However, i have seen some traders trade anti-martingales successfully (increases size and tightens stops as the trade goes in their favour) and it seems like a possible viable strategy although i have never tested anything on my own. Thanks.


I tested Anti-Martingale (increase lotsize after winning trade) on the following system trend following, mean reversion and night scaling system. I found Anti-Martingale system did not improve performance over fixed %age risk system and performance is very similar but It complicates money management. It is my personal experience that fixed %age risk system is much better than any other complicated money management systems such as Anti-Martingale.

The market will trade through it’s path of least resistance .
arpan366
May 14 2018 at 13:40
31 posts
togr posted:
arpan366 posted:
togr posted:
arpan366 posted:
togr posted:
arpan366 posted:
BluePanther posted:
arpan366 posted:
Just go through the trade history and times. If a new trade is not opened in the same symbol when another is at a loss, it is not a martingale. Otherwise it is. I dont understand how lotsize helps.


On a martingale account the Lot size will prove beyond doubt that martingale is used.

Hence why Lot size helps. Now you understand.


How exactly will it prove anything? Please be specific with a real example where you can't say whether a system is a martingale or not without the lotsize.


Even though you hide lot size it is obvious you are using martingale. Simple math is enough.
tag
04.17.2018 16:17 04.17.2018 17:01 EURUSD Sell - 5.00 1.23520 1.23501 1.9 43m 0.04%
tag
04.13.2018 16:23 04.13.2018 21:37 EURUSD Sell -31.60 - 1.23217 1.23334 -11.7 5h 13m -0.08%
From those numbers I am able to tell you are using martingale with multiplier of 3!
Prove me I am wrong by showing history...lots


First trade was opened on 13Apr18 at 16:23 and closed on 13Apr18 at 21:37. It lasted for about 5 hours and was closed at a loss. Second trade was opened on 17Apr18 at 16:17 (when the previous trade was obviously closed) and was closed on the same day at 17:01. It lasted for about an hour. The two trades were opened and closed 4 days apart from each other.

How is this a martingale? Why do you need lotsize to understand whether it is or not? Simple entry/exit times and prices should be enough. And seriously this is 'math'? You even managed to 'calculate' some 'multiplier':)


You had loosing trade. You open 3x times larger trade to recover this loss. This is my dear friend called martingale. Do not mess here with trade time, etc... that does not matter.


This is a waste of time. Read this:

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/06/martingale.asp

I change trade size based on the quality of the signal and not to gain back lost money. Out of a 10 factors, if 3 or 4 line up, i bet very small. If 8 or 9 line up, i bet could potentially 10 times the amount. However, i only take a new trade once earlier trades are closed out. I think this is standard for most strategies. If this is so difficult to understand, just stop commenting....


Yes and your strong signal for big trade always come after loosing trade. Interesting:)


the vast majority of large trades come after small winning trades..can you seriously not see it (would suggest professional help) or are you trying to troll here :). This is definitely my last post here. Thanks for the entertainment.

05.01.2018 17:19 05.01.2018 17:25 EURUSD Sell 5.00 - 1.20024 1.19948 7.6 6m 0.22%
05.01.2018 17:19 05.01.2018 17:23 EURUSD Sell 1.60 - 1.20024 1.19949 7.5 3m 0.22%
04.30.2018 17:15 04.30.2018 17:42 EURUSD Sell 2.00 - 1.20825 1.20806 1.9 26m 0.01%
04.27.2018 12:24 04.27.2018 14:59 EURUSD Sell -25.00 14.40 1.20804 1.20661 14.3 2h 34m 0.09%

04.25.2018 12:42 04.25.2018 14:23 EURUSD Sell -20.60 23.20 1.22111 1.21875 23.6 1h 40m 0.15%
04.25.2018 10:45 04.25.2018 11:04 EURUSD Sell 0.70 - 1.21954 1.21947 0.7 19m 0.00%
04.25.2018 10:45 04.25.2018 11:01 EURUSD Sell 0.50 - 1.21954 1.21909 4.5 16m 0.02%

04.18.2018 11:41 04.18.2018 12:02 EURUSD Sell - - 1.23638 1.23478 16.0 20m 0.50%
04.18.2018 11:19 04.18.2018 11:34 EURUSD Sell 2.40 - 1.23670 1.23648 2.2 14m 0.05%
04.18.2018 11:18 04.18.2018 11:34 EURUSD Sell 1.00 - 1.23656 1.23646 1.0 15m 0.01%

04.17.2018 16:17 04.17.2018 17:01 EURUSD Sell - 5.00 1.23520 1.23501 1.9 43m 0.04%
04.13.2018 16:23 04.13.2018 21:37 EURUSD Sell -31.60 - 1.23217 1.23334 -11.7 5h 13m -0.08%

04.09.2018 10:33 04.09.2018 13:01 EURUSD Sell 0.80 - 1.22702 1.22660 4.2 2h 27m 0.35%
04.09.2018 10:15 04.09.2018 10:17 EURUSD Sell - - 1.22655 1.22633 2.2 2m 0.05%

04.03.2018 14:47 04.03.2018 15:44 EURUSD Sell 1.00 - 1.23014 1.22955 5.9 56m 0.26%
03.28.2018 12:51 03.28.2018 13:25 EURUSD Buy 1.00 - 1.23898 1.23908 1.0 33m 0.01%
03.28.2018 10:35 03.28.2018 12:40 EURUSD Sell - 1.70 1.23841 1.23853 -1.2 2h 4m -0.02%

Providerrr
May 14 2018 at 13:42
3 posts
frequencytrading posted:
Providerrr posted:
If you prefer low risk - high sharpe ratio try:
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Providerrr/mt4-44905/2467095


You took 7 trades in 8 months.


It is my trading style. As you can see it works.

vontogr (togr)
May 14 2018 at 13:43
4862 posts
togr posted:
SignalGuru posted:
this is my account completed 4 weeks successfully
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/SignalGuru/pandasignal/1864229

the same was in signalstart.com as
https://www.signalstart.com/reports/panda-signal-aggressive/13823


and why do you post it here?

and voila
PandaSignal
Real (USD), IC Markets, Technical, Manual, 1:500 , MetaTrader 4
Gain:-67.16%



L3CAP
May 14 2018 at 14:56
264 posts
😁😀
togr posted:
togr posted:
SignalGuru posted:
this is my account completed 4 weeks successfully
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/SignalGuru/pandasignal/1864229

the same was in signalstart.com as
https://www.signalstart.com/reports/panda-signal-aggressive/13823


and why do you post it here?

and voila
PandaSignal
Real (USD), IC Markets, Technical, Manual, 1:500 , MetaTrader 4
Gain:-67.16%




Another one who overleveraged themselves and fell from their short lived glory! 😈 😀😁

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