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Top 10 Strategies Discussion

SaltyWaters
Nov 12 2012 at 18:31
247 posts
Would be great to separate the Demo from the Real account's Top 10 Strategies so we could have the Top 10 Strategies for Demo and the Top 10 Strategies for Real accounts. So one could see what's working for Real and not misled with Demo results.

pomtrade (pomtrade)
Dec 05 2012 at 04:47
3 posts
Or at least have the ability to click the 'type' header and have it 'sort by'

Users are familiar with this ability / function in any data set programs..



It would also be good to see which strategies are current and which were run years ago... And have been sitting idle.
Old strategies run for (very) finite time spans aren't much use to anyone. Clear out the clutter.

90% of traders believe they are better than the 'other' 90%.
Lukieg (Lukieg)
Dec 07 2012 at 14:44
2 posts
Would be great to separate the Demo from the Real account's Top 10 Strategies so we could have the Top 10 Strategies for Demo and the Top 10 Strategies for Real accounts. So one could see what's working for Real and not misled with Demo results.

Mike Yap
mikeyap9
Dec 25 2012 at 08:24
65 posts
That doesn't make sense. Strategies are test runs. It doesn't matter whether you do it using demo or real terminal. There's no money involved.

SaltyWaters
Dec 25 2012 at 20:25
247 posts
Things never make sense when we don't understand them. Let me put some light into it trying to explain it better.

As we all know it, backtests are based on past events or historical data (that may have been tampered) and they don't reflect the truth, because things may not have happened the way they were registered. The same goes for forward tests on a demo account, they may work very well on demo (in some cases on a specific broker only) but when it comes to forward test on a real account things are different.

When we look at the top 10 strategies most of backtests are connected to a forward demo account and are taking the top 10 positions because they work very well on a demo account only, meanwhile the real accounts playing the same strategy with real money already been blown many times but the top 10 strategy list still lists them as the top 10.

With a backtest connected to a forward test on a Real/Live account things take a different approach because there's real money involved and they are being played on a real broker, at the same time the live account will reflect the strategy and will give more credibility to the backtest if things go the same way as they worked on the backtest.

A live account on a real terminal with real money running the backtested strategy will for sure make one more confident to make a decision when investing his money than if it's run on a demo account. Here the suggestion to separate them.


I hope I was clear enough, otherwise just ignore the suggestion or vote 'no'. It doesn't really matter to me, I know how to read the signs, and for the ones that don't know how to read the signs ...good luck! (you may need it).


Mike Yap
mikeyap9
Dec 26 2012 at 09:41
65 posts
I get you. You want to see which Strategies have gone live in Systems and using real accounts. So why not just search for Systems with real account. It saves you the step of looking at Strategies first.
 
In my experience, Strategies only work in the period they were tested in. EAs need to be optimized once in a while to, at least, fit the current conditions of the market. You will be hard pressed to find a Strategy that is still doing very well in Live. If you do find one, I guarantee you that the parameters have changed.

SaltyWaters
Dec 26 2012 at 19:40
247 posts
I've suggested that not because I'm looking for a strategy but because would place the good strategies in the right place versus the strategies that have failed on a real account and do still keep the top 10 due of their forward demo is still running.

Like in a contest one can see who is leading by looking at the top 10 places. The ones that get behind - in this case, the Live accounts/strategies that fail - do not keep their place on the list rather get out of the way and let the best ones occupy those places and get the merit for their performance.


I know that searching for things can get you there but why not use a list, that's already there, on a proper way.

jonnyrich007 (jonnyrich007)
Jan 04 2013 at 15:42
72 posts
Why does anyone need to validate which are successful live strategy anyway? Does that matter even? If a certain live accounts are successful, does it matter what it did on strategy tests or how it did on demo? Only long term success of a trading account would matter I would think. If it failed on the live account, why do you need to know how it fared on demo or on strategy test? Sorry, only live real trading matter. And only if it is doing well.

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