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KeltnerPRO - Jared (By keltnerpro )

Gain : +5645.75%
Drawdown 58.74%
Pips: 4744.8
Trades 1003
Won:
Lost:
Type: Real
Leverage: 1:100
Trading: Unknown

KeltnerPRO - Jared Discussion

vladrac (vladrac)
Oct 05 2015 at 12:56
210 posts
TradeNew posted:
vladrac posted:

Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!


SNB has caused global bankrupt. Black swan events are not specific problems of any eas.
If GBPUSD for example will have a black swan event in the future will you blame your eas?


!!???!!! What I said is that on Jan this EA benefited from the Black Swan event and if you are going to use that to measure the performance of this EA... I have nothing else to say.

Please re-read what I said with that in mind!!!

If you ignore the HUGE profit he made that day...tell me what was the profit this year so far!

Cheers,
Vladimir

FXtrader2010
Oct 05 2015 at 12:59
724 posts
vladrac posted:
FXtrader2010 posted:
If you at the backtest for 5+ years you will see EURUSD is the top performer... All im saying. Check it out, TBH I don't even think the other pairs make money. BUT that is just backtest, real results will be vastly different as this EA works off volatility, and we all know the fill can be Vastly different in volatile situations.


that is really not correct! This EA open trades on a bar open, 5 or 15min after the news event which is 99% of the time what triggers the volatility. Which means any spread increase is gone by that time!

Check for yourself and if you can prove me wrong, let me know!

Cheers,
Vlad
IM NOT referring to spread increase AT ALL. The spread can be normal, but what Im talking about is the reason why some EAs only work on demo or show profitable results in tester but then when you take it to live account, it only loss. The only way to justify the EA is to test it live on real account which is what I have been doing and found EURUSD to be the best for me 1+ live account now. So you can go with whatever you like but Im just practicing my own theories. Its a good EA don't get me wrong.

vladrac (vladrac)
Oct 05 2015 at 13:03
210 posts
FXtrader2010 posted:
vladrac posted:
FXtrader2010 posted:
If you at the backtest for 5+ years you will see EURUSD is the top performer... All im saying. Check it out, TBH I don't even think the other pairs make money. BUT that is just backtest, real results will be vastly different as this EA works off volatility, and we all know the fill can be Vastly different in volatile situations.


that is really not correct! This EA open trades on a bar open, 5 or 15min after the news event which is 99% of the time what triggers the volatility. Which means any spread increase is gone by that time!

Check for yourself and if you can prove me wrong, let me know!

Cheers,
Vlad
IM NOT referring to spread increase AT ALL. The spread can be normal, but what Im talking about is the reason why some EAs only work on demo or show profitable results in tester but then when you take it to live account, it only loss. The only way to justify the EA is to test it live on real account which is what I have been doing and found EURUSD to be the best for me 1+ live account now. So you can go with whatever you like but Im just practicing my own theories. Its a good EA don't get me wrong.


My post had nothing to do with the performance of this EA... which had its time and can no longer live in this market conditions. in my view.

Anyway...I still dont see how in this particular EA, demo vs real will play much of a difference....

Ive seen EAs that are indeed impacted by demo versus live...and for sure it can be huge - see the famous million dollar pip...

But this one...dont see it...as I said the trades are taken during 'normal' condtions of spread and fills...price usually is not jumping up and down like a crazy bull by the time this EA enters the market.

Do you know if someone is running this on a DEMO these days? If yes we could just look...

maybe Ricky is still reading these and can turn his EA into a demo account so we can compare...

Cheers,
Vlad


TradeNew
Oct 05 2015 at 13:23
70 posts
vladrac posted:
TradeNew posted:
vladrac posted:

Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!


SNB has caused global bankrupt. Black swan events are not specific problems of any eas.
If GBPUSD for example will have a black swan event in the future will you blame your eas?


!!???!!! What I said is that on Jan this EA benefited from the Black Swan event and if you are going to use that to measure the performance of this EA... I have nothing else to say.

Please re-read what I said with that in mind!!!

If you ignore the HUGE profit he made that day...tell me what was the profit this year so far!

Cheers,
Vladimir


What is your intention here? Its a bad ea or a good one? One account with keltner was removed because of a huge loss in snb event if i remember correctly. So its irrelevant. Under normal real live conditions this ea here made nice gains on gbpusd. Not more.
And i wouldnt run any other pair with it right now.

vladrac (vladrac)
Oct 05 2015 at 13:31
210 posts
TradeNew posted:
vladrac posted:
TradeNew posted:
vladrac posted:

Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!


SNB has caused global bankrupt. Black swan events are not specific problems of any eas.
If GBPUSD for example will have a black swan event in the future will you blame your eas?


!!???!!! What I said is that on Jan this EA benefited from the Black Swan event and if you are going to use that to measure the performance of this EA... I have nothing else to say.

Please re-read what I said with that in mind!!!

If you ignore the HUGE profit he made that day...tell me what was the profit this year so far!

Cheers,
Vladimir


What is your intention here? Its a bad ea or a good one? One account with keltner was removed because of a huge loss in snb event if i remember correctly. So its irrelevant. Under normal real live conditions this ea here made nice gains on gbpusd. Not more.
And i wouldnt run any other pair with it right now.


Again , I have no intention here, just to make sure we highlight this fact

The SNB event help trades blow their account and for some double their account. We should ignore this event when making any decision about performance of anyone, or any EA...thats my point.

if I look at the perfomance on this particular account from the actual creator of the EA..and I discount that day...it is a bit in the negative for the whole year.

But... indeed your post only mentioned the GU performance... and if you took all trades into consideration...well...thats fact that we cannot deny!


TradeNew
Oct 05 2015 at 16:26
70 posts
vladrac posted:
But... indeed your post only mentioned the GU performance... and if you took all trades into consideration...well...thats fact that we cannot deny!


Yes 100% agree. For all who used recomended pairs this ea is realy bad. Thats the reason why i only use gbpusd atm.

br
Mark

HedgeEdge
Oct 05 2015 at 16:55
51 posts
IIRC, the EA has horrible performance in BT prior (I believe) to 2012 or so on the cable. And by horrible I mean steady 45° declining.
I can double check later if needed, but GBPUSD has been the worst performer on BT for a long time.

HedgeEdge
Oct 05 2015 at 16:56
51 posts
TradeNew
Oct 05 2015 at 18:11
70 posts
HedgeEdge posted:
Check this out - and tell me if you would trade such an equity curve:

https://www.forexgermany.de/ressources/metatrader-strategy-tester/backtesting-keltner-pro-GBPUSD-2009-2014-2pips.htm


As a bt multi millionaire i didnt rely on any bts anymore. Only use them to get a feeling of how the ea trade. bts are worthless.
why do you need a bt if a system is making money NOW? Only real forward test is what counts and any system will faill sooner or later without adapting to changing market conditions.

And no i wouldnt trade keltner relating on that bt but i bought it months ago and so i trade it on the only pair which is profitable now.

Also i wouldnt buy keltner again. for sure.

vladrac (vladrac)
Oct 05 2015 at 18:18
210 posts
TradeNew posted:
HedgeEdge posted:
Check this out - and tell me if you would trade such an equity curve:

https://www.forexgermany.de/ressources/metatrader-strategy-tester/backtesting-keltner-pro-GBPUSD-2009-2014-2pips.htm


As a bt multi millionaire i didnt rely on any bts anymore. Only use them to get a feeling of how the ea trade. bts are worthless.
why do you need a bt if a system is making money NOW? Only real forward test is what counts and any system will faill sooner or later without adapting to changing market conditions.

And no i wouldnt trade keltner relating on that bt but i bought it months ago and so i trade it on the only pair which is profitable now.

Also i wouldnt buy keltner again. for sure.


Honest reply for what it seems a honest guy! Cheers

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