チャットを利用するには、ログインしてください。
連絡先に戻る

Professional4X (Real Money) (による Professional4X )

そのユーザーはこのシステムを削除しました。

Professional4X (Real Money) 討論

Professional4X
Jun 26 2017 at 07:40
1189 投稿
scambuster456 posted:
Scary DD.


I increased the trading aggression levels by 25%. Larger profitability, larger risk.

I was expecting an initial spike in DD as the system compensated to the changes in trading limits.

Consider if you had an account with $1000.00 USD and you opened an order for multiple 1.0 lot tickets.
Now consider if you had an account with $100,000.00 USD and you opened an order the same multiple 1.0 lot tickets.

The smaller account is going to be far more sensitive to DD than the larger account.

The sudden spike in DD isn't a big deal. It's just more noticeable because of the account size.

The statistics will even out over time. I am absolutely not concerned about it.

If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
sirius1fx (sirius1fx)
Jun 26 2017 at 16:43
348 投稿
I bet you'll be able to withdraw a few times over, seemed stable enough on demo.. Only thing really unaccounted for a the scary spread spikes..
if you follow the flock like sheep you always end up stepping in shit!
Professional4X
Jun 26 2017 at 18:34
1189 投稿
sirius1fx posted:
I bet you'll be able to withdraw a few times over, seemed stable enough on demo.. Only thing really unaccounted for a the scary spread spikes..

** SPREAD **
Spread spikes aren't much of issue during the normal trading week.

During off trading hours (weekends, etc) though, I noticed the spreads get pretty large. Insanely large actually....

For example, a normal spread might be 2 to 3 pips on a pair (no commission, spread only), but then on at the end of the trade week I've seen a sudden spread increase to +20 pips.

In my opinion it's a pretty questionable tactic, but it's something that a lot of brokers do.


** WITHDRAWING PROFITS **
Using the current trading levels, the system will probably hit the 100% gains level by the middle of this next month.

Once it hits the 300% level, I will withdraw my original investment, and let the system trade on the profits.

Ideally the system will be trading across multiple brokerage accounts.

If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
sirius1fx (sirius1fx)
Jun 26 2017 at 20:43
348 投稿
Yea i have experienced large spikes 100 pips, id make sure todo MM accordingly for that figure for live trading...

Hope this week is a very profitable one for ya!
if you follow the flock like sheep you always end up stepping in shit!
scambuster456
Jun 27 2017 at 12:42
42 投稿
Professional4X
Jun 27 2017 at 20:14
1189 投稿
scambuster456 posted:
wow, what happened?

The system predicted the market movement about 24 hours in advance and opened a series of trades.
When the market shot up during the news, the predicted take profit price was hit, and it closed out the tickets.

If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
suttos
Jun 28 2017 at 01:08
271 投稿
can you open the history so we can review.
whats your commercial strategy?
Professional4X
Jun 28 2017 at 03:59
1189 投稿
suttos posted:
can you open the history so we can review.
whats your commercial strategy?

** HISTORY **

NO. I will not open the trades or history.

I had them open last week, but several people contacted me directly, and were asking me to provide them a signal, or to sell them a copy of the system. Others asked me to explain how the system works so they could replicate it.

One individual even provided me a break down analysis of how they believe the system worked and ways to improve it.

I found that somewhat humorous actually, because they weren't even remotely close as to how the system works, and everything they told me to do, would have been a really bad idea. So it was at that point I decided it was probably best if I closed them.

I made it very clear that I had no interest in providing anyone access to the system at this time.

** STRATEGY **

I will absolutely not provide the specific details of how the system works, nor will I explain the strategy behind it's method of trading.

At this point I am not even sure if I fully understand how it trades any longer, as it is making trades based upon it's own understanding of the markets, using information that it has learned on its own.

I only gave it some very basic guidelines.
Buy when it's going to move up.
Sell when it's going to move down.
Do not BUY and SELL the same currency at the same time.
Do not exceed 1:50 leverage in calculations.
Use FIFO rules
etc etc et

I have spent well over 10 years in the development of this system to bring it to its current state, and I have no desire whatsoever to have anyone replicate my system.

I do not wish to sound harsh about this, but I have previously been ripped off by someone whom I trusted with a very early copy of the code base, and I swore to myself that it would never happen again.

If you had a system that could possibly generate unlimited wealth for yourself, would YOU give away your system details?
No of course you wouldn't, and neither would I.

I can tell you that the system is a 'General Purpose' AI running a deep learning neural network with heavy emphasis towards understanding currency trading. I can also tell you that currency markets are only a very small part of what the system is being built for.

I can also tell you that the system is not an EA, although it does have an EA component that can be used to communicate with MT4, MT5, or other client trading platforms. But even in those instances, the EA isn't making any trading decisions, it is only being used to initiate the ticket requests.

I have no desire to have anyone copy my system.

I have no desire to sell anyone system.

I have no desire to provide a signal to anyone.

I have no desire to provide anyone with access to my account data.

I do not need any investors.

I have my own money, and I am fully funded. Thank you.
If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
Professional4X
Jun 28 2017 at 06:16
1189 投稿
In case anyone is wondering, It isn't my intent to be harsh or rude to anyone.
And if I have appeared that way, please accept my apology.

However... This system is somewhat like a child to me, therefore as it's parent, I have to be very protective of it.

And I simply do not wish to have someone steal my work for their own use.

I would simply ask that everyone, to please understand that this project is the result of over 10 years of my life, and I am very protective of specific details of how it works.

I will happily answer general questions, but I absolutely will not give out specific details of how the system works, nor will I ever give anyone access the system itself.

Thank you





If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
suttos
Jun 28 2017 at 08:56
271 投稿
I can assure you of something, it's not learning on its own as you seem to be presuming. You have a glitch that happens to be working in your favor. Neural Networks and AI doesn't mean what most people think. Its not computers learning on their own as you see in the movies. It is simply the use of various technologies to simulate human behavior e.g. asking Siri for directions is vocie recognition software with google search and a GPS map GUI all synced together. I dont mean to sound personal but if you think you've invented self learing software from a coding language as simple as MT4 either you're delusional or a genius. If its the later then i suggest you call IBM or Google and they will buy it from you for $X billion tomorrow. Either way best of luck toto you
Professional4X
Jun 28 2017 at 09:48
1189 投稿
suttos posted:
I can assure you of something, it's not learning on its own as you seem to be presuming.

And I can assure you, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about with MY system.

I began my coding in the 1970's. How about you?

Don't presume anything about what MY skill level of programming is.

You know NOTHING about what you are talking about in regard to how MY neural network is processing data.

DO YOU ? Do you have ANY working understanding of what it took to make this system, or the design specifications?

NO you don't. So absolutely don't try to tell ME how MY system works.



suttos posted:
You have a glitch that happens to be working in your favor. Neural Networks and AI doesn't mean what most people think. Its not computers learning on their own as you see in the movies.

I absolutely do not have a 'glitch' in my system that is working in my favor.

That statement right there absolutely PROVES you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to MY AI and MY NEURAL NETWORK.

I've invented TRUE general purpose artificial intelligence, that is in fact self learning with the tasks that it has been assigned.

This isn't siri or some other smart agent system, which is nothing more than a glorified voice response search engine.



suttos posted:
It is simply the use of various technologies to simulate human behavior e.g. asking Siri for directions is vocie recognition software with google search and a GPS map GUI all synced together.

The system IS a general purpose AI using an extremely advanced DEEP NEURAL NETWORK (several thousand layers deep),
and is self learning for the tasks that it has been assigned.

I built it over the course of 10 years of my life.

It absolutely isn't something you've EVER seen before.

You clearly do not understand what true GENERAL PURPOSE AI is.



suttos posted:
I dont mean to sound personal but if you think you've invented self learing software from a coding language as simple as MT4 either you're delusional or a genius.

Well... I'm not delusional.

I don't 'THINK' I've built a self learning system. I absolutely 100% KNOW for a fact that I have built a self learning system.

My results prove my system works.

I didn't teach it how to trade.

I only told it the basic rules. I didn't teach it anything else.

Buy when you think it's going to go up.
Sell when you think it's going to go down.
Abide by FIFO rules
Do not hedge the currency against iteself (no buy : sell on same symbols)
Etc.. etc.. etc..

I absolutely have stated for the record this is NOT an MT4 based system. Pay attention.




suttos posted:
If its the later then i suggest you call IBM or Google and they will buy it from you for $X billion tomorrow. Either way best of luck toto you

Don't be absurd. I have no intention of selling my system to some corporation.
I don't need their money, nor do I want it. I am absolutely fully funded.

If you think money is my only motivation, then you clearly know nothing about me, or my intentions with this system.

I don't need their money, nor do I want it, nor do I want any investors, other such nonsense.

I don't 'THINK' or 'PRESUME' anything about my system. I know exactly what it is, and what it is capable of.


You do not have ANY working knowledge of the system that I have designed and built.
You have never seen my system, and I can absolutely be sure that you will never see my system.

I assure you, it taught itself to trade, it learned how to do it, and it's doing it better than you clearly.

For the record, the system is not for sale to anyone for any price.
If a system truly works, only an imbecile would sell it to someone.
And I assure you that I am not an imbecile.

The system DOES work. It IS NOT for sale. It WILL NOT ever be for sale.
I've already made far more than my initial investment back from funding my account.
And clearly, you do not trade as well as my AI can trade. So we have nothing else to discuss.

However....
Don't ever presume to know something unless you have all the facts.
You don't know ANYTHING about me, or what my skill levels are, nor do you have any idea about what my system can do.

Do you truly think that the only thing this system is working on at the moment is Forex?
Forex is just a small piece of a vastly larger project, one of which you are not a part of, nor will you ever be part of.

It's a true general purpose AI and it will work on any task that I ask it to.

If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
scambuster456
Jun 28 2017 at 10:16
42 投稿
any fund manager will long for this type of trading robot if it does exist. What a pity if you can't share your skills with desperate traders who want a life changing opportunity.

It just looks too good to true to me. So I will see if you can maintain this result for sometime or it was just pure luck the last few days
Regards
Professional4X
Jun 28 2017 at 10:27
1189 投稿
I've made it very clear.
I have no intention of selling the system.
I have no intention of giving anyone access to the system.
If the system works, why would I sell it.
NO ONE else is going to have the opportunity to access this system.
It is mine and it's going to stay that way.
If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
Professional4X
Jun 28 2017 at 10:38
1189 投稿
Look the only reason I even bothered to post the statistics to a public page, is because I had thought others would be interested in talking about how the system was generally built, or how I managed to get the system to teach itself, or how I managed to create a true general purpose AI.

But rather, it would seem that people are more interested in basically telling me I don't know what I am doing, or sending me private message telling me that I am full of shit or whatever.

I'm sorry but I truly don't care what anyone else thinks about me, or what I've done.

The system has been trading solid like this for over 3 months.
Now it is doing it on a live account, and all I get from people is bullshit attitudes, telling me I'm full of shit, and that I don't know what I am talking about?

So to that, I simply say. It is your loss, not mine. I had intended on posting trade recommendations on a daily basis for free for others, but not any more. I'm not going to do anything for people who have nothing to do but cast doubts and complain about things themselves are incapable of doing.

Do you truly think this is just some over night thing that I coded in my basement? This is over 10 years of work, and I've worked on it every day. I don't need anyone to give me their approval. I don't need anyone to give me their money.
I don't need anything. I was just trying to do something good and help people with the skills that I have.

But like I said, It's not my loss here. I was prepared to give people trade recommendations every day for free because I feel its the right thing to do.

Everyone says they want to find the holy grail, but when someone hands it to you to drink from, you all just pissed in the cup.

have a nice day. I am done with this bullshit.
If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
Professional4X
Jun 28 2017 at 10:45
1189 投稿
I'm setting the system to private, because people are too arrogant and ignorant to see the truth before them.

It is a true general purpose AI, it trades better than any other human trader I have ever seen, and I would have happily given trade recommendations for free to anyone that needed the help. No charge, and I was asking nothing in return.

I had only hoped that if I helped others make the world a better place, that others would have paid it forward and helped others too.

Good luck with all your trades. Good bye.
If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
Professional4X
Jun 28 2017 at 11:06
1189 投稿
Say what you want, but the system says EURUSD is targeting 1.1400 with an 87.691 probability

Have a nice trading life. You wont get any additional help from me.
If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
soulmysoul
Jun 28 2017 at 12:22
31 投稿
Don't get bugged by the comments here, as you know this place is full of cheaters, so each system is looked upon with skeptism. As you yourself have written in your motto 'If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.'. Maybe you are not one of them trying to scam people. If you no intentions of selling your system, then i would suggest you keeping your system private. I do have my systems here but keep my systems private as i use this site only for the analysis.

Good luck
Ziya (ZKFXtrader)
Jun 28 2017 at 17:03
258 投稿
you made your account private?
suttos
Jun 29 2017 at 02:04
271 投稿
if you have genuinely invented self learning software you should be more concerned with your Nobel Prize speech than providing FX signals :) Just joking. Dont get so touchy...
The problem with the data you've got is that if you were working for a bank and you produced those results, you'd be fired on the spot. Banks have VERY strict trading rules or mandates as they are called and if you were to produce 2700% return on what was a relatively flat week for FX then you would have undoubtedly gone outside of your mandate and been gambling. If you work out what went wrong / right then you might be able to normalize your system a little bit more.
Professional4X
Jun 29 2017 at 05:58
1189 投稿
soulmysoul posted:
Don't get bugged by the comments here, as you know this place is full of cheaters, so each system is looked upon with skeptism. As you yourself have written in your motto 'If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.'. Maybe you are not one of them trying to scam people. If you no intentions of selling your system, then i would suggest you keeping your system private. I do have my systems here but keep my systems private as i use this site only for the analysis.

Good luck

Yes absolutely that is my motto, which is why I was being as transparent as possible, while protecting people from copying the trades on a highly experimental system.

I know there are a lot of cheaters, which is why I started posting the results of an actual working system.

Several months on demo drove an account to well over a million USD on an offshore account.
Then on a US Based demo account I was getting also extremely profitable results.

So I decided to go ahead and let it manage a live account, on a highly regulated, highly reputable brokerage. Oanda.
The account is absolutely fully verified, and for a while I had the history open so people could verify the results, which they did, and confirmed my system works.

But then, these same begin sending me messages and such telling me I am full of shit and a cheater and a scammer, and all sorts of bullshit.

So I am done with making my results public. I've deleted the system page because if the only thing I am going to get is harsh words, and people attacking me, why should I even bother trying to help them.

I'm no scammer. I absolutely think the investment world in general is full of scammers, and I think we should do everything we can to find them and their systems, and to expose them for what they are.

But when someone such as myself comes along, shows the world something I've been working on for 10 years of my life on a daily basis, I prove my system works, and I let others analyze the results, and then to be told I am full of shit and to basically just fuck off? Yeah I am not going to allow anyone to talk to me that way.

Which is why I had used one of my fully verified, Live accounts, that I personally fully funded, with a highly regulated USA Based brokerage, with open access to the historical data for everyone to see. And yet I am told it's impossible.

I'll probably still post trade analysis from time to time, but beyond that. I'm done with it.
If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
コメント の為にログインしてください