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jonpearce

Biedrs kopš Sep 19, 2011  73 ieraksti Jon (jonpearce) Apr 15 2014 at 13:31
BluePanther posted:
I experienced major slippage or something (loss of connection) when the ZEW Survey - Economic Sentiment (major impact news) occurred.

I have not really noticed anything seriously adversely affect my IC Markets account since joining them in late-2013 (except the 200 market orders limit), but this was a bit of a surprise to say the least.

I certainly hope this does not happen again, but I need to ask:
a) why did this happen? (specific reason, not a general 'latency / slippage' answer)
b) will this be likely to reoccur in future?

It is concerning because my HFT account went from a 1.5%+ gain today to a loss of 1.5%. I am into trading to make money, not lose money, and I can't afford to have this issue reoccur too often (if at all).


If it was major slippage this is to be expected on major impact news......we all know this occurs on a broker that genuinely passes your orders to market. A lot of LP's are simply not interested during high impact news events, hence the thin liquidity resulting in poor fills and major slippage that can be experienced at these times.

However.........a disconnection or outage is another story.

Check your mt4 logs around the time of the news event you mentioned and look for extended disconnections or outages.
Check your trade logs around the time of the news event and look for anything out of the ordinary (poor fills and slippage excepted and expected at news times). If you feel you have a valid claim copy the logs into an email to support and request the trade or occurrence be investigated.

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jonpearce

Biedrs kopš Sep 19, 2011  73 ieraksti Jon (jonpearce) Apr 15 2014 at 13:34
Humpenjang posted:


I have not really noticed anything seriously adversely affect my IC Markets account since joining them in late-2013 (except the 200 market orders limit), but this was a bit of a surprise to say the least.



I contacted the support a couple of days back, prior to open an account, they confirmed there will be no limitation on open trades.
 
Here a statement from there FAQ section.

'Is there a limit to the number of open positions that I can have open at any one time?

No, you can have open as many positions as you like at the same time.'

Should there be a limitation, I'm as quickly off, than I joined them.

As soon the funds are on the account I let you know.


IC Markets was one of the few brokers (apart from brokers offering cent accounts) that was/is used for Forex Envy that can have well in excess of 100 open positions. Your account will be fine wink

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BluePanther

Biedrs kopš Jan 25, 2010  875 ieraksti Matt (BluePanther) Apr 15 2014 at 16:16
jonpearce posted:

However.........a disconnection or outage is another story.

Check your mt4 logs around the time of the news event you mentioned and look for extended disconnections or outages.
Check your trade logs around the time of the news event and look for anything out of the ordinary (poor fills and slippage excepted and expected at news times). If you feel you have a valid claim copy the logs into an email to support and request the trade or occurrence be investigated.


Yes, actually it seems to be a common occurrence with the signal I am subscribed to. I don't understand it, but on a frequent basis I can see that my account loses connection with the subscription service, and then resumes connection within a minute or so. Is this commonplace for a signal from www.mql5.com?

I have sent support the log for today showing this issue, and I hope they will get back to me with an answer tomorrow.

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BluePanther

Biedrs kopš Jan 25, 2010  875 ieraksti Matt (BluePanther) Apr 15 2014 at 16:18 (labots Apr 15 2014 at 16:22 )
Humpenjang posted:

I contacted the support a couple of days back, prior to open an account, they confirmed there will be no limitation on open trades.
 
Here a statement from there FAQ section.

'Is there a limit to the number of open positions that I can have open at any one time?

No, you can have open as many positions as you like at the same time.'

Should there be a limitation, I'm as quickly off, than I joined them.

As soon the funds are on the account I let you know.


I am glad to hear they seem to have changed their attitude to the maximum open orders limit. I enquired earlier this year about my demo account (which at the time had over 600 open trades) and I asked them why they permitted this. Angus (IC Markets) responded that they 'make exceptions', but from what you say perhaps they now permit this... the question then remains: what is the new maximum limit on open orders?

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BluePanther

Biedrs kopš Jan 25, 2010  875 ieraksti Matt (BluePanther) Apr 15 2014 at 16:57 (labots Apr 15 2014 at 17:10 )
I guess I shouldn't really worry about IC Markets:

https://www.mt4i.com/spread/symbol.aspx?symbolid=1

Seems to be the best, but there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Now where did I hear about negative spreads...? Oh yeah, IC Markets cTrader accounts can have -0.3 pip spread. Now I just need to find a HFT expert advisor that will scalp me to riches! Any suggestions (I'm serious!)? cool

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togr

Biedrs kopš Feb 22, 2011  3706 ieraksti vontogr (togr) Apr 15 2014 at 17:34
BluePanther posted:
I guess I shouldn't really worry about IC Markets:

https://www.mt4i.com/spread/symbol.aspx?symbolid=1

Seems to be the best, but there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Now where did I hear about negative spreads...? Oh yeah, IC Markets cTrader accounts can have -0.3 pip spread. Now I just need to find a HFT expert advisor that will scalp me to riches! Any suggestions (I'm serious!)? cool


How does negative spread works?

You pay commission per trade and got negative spread?

I like what I trade, I trade what I like
BluePanther

Biedrs kopš Jan 25, 2010  875 ieraksti Matt (BluePanther) Apr 15 2014 at 17:37 (labots Apr 15 2014 at 17:43 )
togr posted:
BluePanther posted:
I guess I shouldn't really worry about IC Markets:

https://www.mt4i.com/spread/symbol.aspx?symbolid=1

Seems to be the best, but there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Now where did I hear about negative spreads...? Oh yeah, IC Markets cTrader accounts can have -0.3 pip spread. Now I just need to find a HFT expert advisor that will scalp me to riches! Any suggestions (I'm serious!)? cool


How does negative spread works?

You pay commission per trade and got negative spread?


I haven't experienced this before. I just read on IC Markets homepage that negative spread of up to -0.3 pips are available on cTrader, but I only use MT4.

Basically, you can buy and promptly sell (at the same price) and immediately gain a profit simply from the spread.

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togr

Biedrs kopš Feb 22, 2011  3706 ieraksti vontogr (togr) Apr 15 2014 at 17:44
BluePanther posted:
togr posted:
BluePanther posted:
I guess I shouldn't really worry about IC Markets:

https://www.mt4i.com/spread/symbol.aspx?symbolid=1

Seems to be the best, but there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Now where did I hear about negative spreads...? Oh yeah, IC Markets cTrader accounts can have -0.3 pip spread. Now I just need to find a HFT expert advisor that will scalp me to riches! Any suggestions (I'm serious!)? cool


How does negative spread works?

You pay commission per trade and got negative spread?


I haven't experienced this before. I just read on IC Markets homepage that negative spread of up to -0.3 pips are available on cTrader, but I only use MT4.

Basically, you can buy and immediately sell and promptly gain a profit simply from the spread.


They do not know either
First they so no commission and then commission yes


IC Markets Support
Hello Client. How may I help you?

 
Client
https://www.icmarkets…ing-account-types/ctrader-ecn/

negative spread, is there a commission?

 
IC Markets Support
no

 
Client
so I open position which is immediately in profit

and just close it

and repeat

and you pay me the profit

really?

 
IC Markets Support
negative spread is in periods of high volatility.

yes as long as you beat the commission payable

 
Client
so you have commission or not

?

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togr

Biedrs kopš Feb 22, 2011  3706 ieraksti vontogr (togr) Apr 15 2014 at 17:45


Client
so you have commission or not

?

 
IC Markets Support
True ECN Account = Variable Spread + $7 per lot round turn commission

just to be clear -

for ctrader accounts when the spread goes into negative - it is as good as 0 pips spread for you

you will staill have the commission costs as described on - https://www.icmarkets…ng/trading-conditions/spreads/ under the heading ' cTrader Commission Rates'

the negative spread is rare and transient ( does not last for long)

 
Client
so again

ctrader

negative spread

is there a commission or not?

yes or not?

IC Markets Support is typing...



IC Markets Support
True ECN Account = Variable Spread + $7 per lot round turn commission

just to be clear -

for ctrader accounts when the spread goes into negative - it is as good as 0 pips spread for you

you will staill have the commission costs as described on - https://www.icmarkets…ng/trading-conditions/spreads/ under the heading ' cTrader Commission Rates'

the negative spread is rare and transient ( does not last for long)

 
Client
so again

ctrader

negative spread

is there a commission or not?

yes or not?

 
IC Markets Support
1) yes as mentioned above - there is a commission

2) yes

choose 1 or 2 which ever answers your question







 


 




 
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BluePanther

Biedrs kopš Jan 25, 2010  875 ieraksti Matt (BluePanther) Apr 15 2014 at 17:48 (labots Apr 15 2014 at 17:54 )
...so taking commission into account, you are not going to profit simply by buying and selling at the negative spread levels. But it would certainly help make a HFT or scalping EA more profitable. smiley

And after all my research, it seems IC Markets is hard to beat in spreads. Only Boston Prime seem to beat IC Markets by a slim margin! Impressive! cool

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