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hedge forex positions with no loss

vontogr (togr)
May 07 2018 at 09:52
4862 postów
Hedging is not actually helpfull. Imagine you have loosing positions. You expect the market will go further against you so you open hedge position. If market goes in opposite direction you will end up with 2 loosing positions and you pay negative swap.

FindingNedo
May 08 2018 at 11:19
10 postów
same here. hedging is a waste of time

NyNFinancial
May 17 2018 at 06:07
20 postów
Adribaasmet posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
A system that is based on hedge is quite difficult to manage, but it is also quite profitable once it is achieved. The hedge can not only be used to cover losses. If you have a good algorithm to increase the lot size, with the objective that, in the end, there is a net quantity of lots always following the trend, you can establish a DD zone that the total balance of the account can support. As long as the price exceeds that area, and the net quantity of lots follows the trend, the breakeven point can be reached soon and, from there, we already enter the profit area.
Of course, it is not a kind of strategy for everyone, nor is it the most appreciated or known, precisely because not everyone comes to dominate it, but the person who does it does not have to worry about the price direction, since it always covers any possible loss, and also earns money. You just have to worry about the calculation of the increment of the lots.
In fact, someone who has really mastered a type of trading system that is hedge-based, does not need any technical indicator, just needs an FX pair whose price moves a lot 😁


There have so many standard ways to read the market technically & fundamentally, so why need this complicated trading system (hedging)?


Well, of course there are several ways to analyze the market, and to get money out of it. But not everyone understands a type of strategy that one can understand. There are people who specialize in technical analysis, others in fundamental analysis, and others specialize in strategies that do not require any analysis, only movements in the price. I'm talking about some algorithmic trading strategies. I think that, finally, if a strategy based on hedging is profitable, and if the profits correspond to the risk assumed, that is what matters ... making money. By managing risk well, this can be achieved with a strategy based on hedging.

Ganando dinero en el mercado FX. Earning money in the FX market.
vontogr (togr)
May 17 2018 at 12:29
4862 postów
NyNFinancial posted:
Adribaasmet posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
A system that is based on hedge is quite difficult to manage, but it is also quite profitable once it is achieved. The hedge can not only be used to cover losses. If you have a good algorithm to increase the lot size, with the objective that, in the end, there is a net quantity of lots always following the trend, you can establish a DD zone that the total balance of the account can support. As long as the price exceeds that area, and the net quantity of lots follows the trend, the breakeven point can be reached soon and, from there, we already enter the profit area.
Of course, it is not a kind of strategy for everyone, nor is it the most appreciated or known, precisely because not everyone comes to dominate it, but the person who does it does not have to worry about the price direction, since it always covers any possible loss, and also earns money. You just have to worry about the calculation of the increment of the lots.
In fact, someone who has really mastered a type of trading system that is hedge-based, does not need any technical indicator, just needs an FX pair whose price moves a lot 😁


There have so many standard ways to read the market technically & fundamentally, so why need this complicated trading system (hedging)?


Well, of course there are several ways to analyze the market, and to get money out of it. But not everyone understands a type of strategy that one can understand. There are people who specialize in technical analysis, others in fundamental analysis, and others specialize in strategies that do not require any analysis, only movements in the price. I'm talking about some algorithmic trading strategies. I think that, finally, if a strategy based on hedging is profitable, and if the profits correspond to the risk assumed, that is what matters ... making money. By managing risk well, this can be achieved with a strategy based on hedging.


Without any offense do you have at least some idea what are you talking about? How is EA trading related to hedge?

NyNFinancial
May 21 2018 at 07:53
20 postów
togr posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
Adribaasmet posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
A system that is based on hedge is quite difficult to manage, but it is also quite profitable once it is achieved. The hedge can not only be used to cover losses. If you have a good algorithm to increase the lot size, with the objective that, in the end, there is a net quantity of lots always following the trend, you can establish a DD zone that the total balance of the account can support. As long as the price exceeds that area, and the net quantity of lots follows the trend, the breakeven point can be reached soon and, from there, we already enter the profit area.
Of course, it is not a kind of strategy for everyone, nor is it the most appreciated or known, precisely because not everyone comes to dominate it, but the person who does it does not have to worry about the price direction, since it always covers any possible loss, and also earns money. You just have to worry about the calculation of the increment of the lots.
In fact, someone who has really mastered a type of trading system that is hedge-based, does not need any technical indicator, just needs an FX pair whose price moves a lot 😁


There have so many standard ways to read the market technically & fundamentally, so why need this complicated trading system (hedging)?


Well, of course there are several ways to analyze the market, and to get money out of it. But not everyone understands a type of strategy that one can understand. There are people who specialize in technical analysis, others in fundamental analysis, and others specialize in strategies that do not require any analysis, only movements in the price. I'm talking about some algorithmic trading strategies. I think that, finally, if a strategy based on hedging is profitable, and if the profits correspond to the risk assumed, that is what matters ... making money. By managing risk well, this can be achieved with a strategy based on hedging.


Without any offense do you have at least some idea what are you talking about? How is EA trading related to hedge?


Well, I do have an idea. I answered your post previously, and attach some images so that you could evaluate the performance of an algorithmic trading system based on hedging, but it seems that it was deleted. I leave a link to the YouTube channel we have with my partners. There we have uploaded hours and hours of recording of live trades in 2017 using this strategy with EA's, and I must say that we continue making money in 2018 in a consistent manner, covering each trade with a negative result with trade with a positive result that it is bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZX8ASnR4fQ7oZl64O6y2Dg?view_as=subscriber

Ganando dinero en el mercado FX. Earning money in the FX market.
vontogr (togr)
May 21 2018 at 09:49
4862 postów
NyNFinancial posted:
togr posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
Adribaasmet posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
A system that is based on hedge is quite difficult to manage, but it is also quite profitable once it is achieved. The hedge can not only be used to cover losses. If you have a good algorithm to increase the lot size, with the objective that, in the end, there is a net quantity of lots always following the trend, you can establish a DD zone that the total balance of the account can support. As long as the price exceeds that area, and the net quantity of lots follows the trend, the breakeven point can be reached soon and, from there, we already enter the profit area.
Of course, it is not a kind of strategy for everyone, nor is it the most appreciated or known, precisely because not everyone comes to dominate it, but the person who does it does not have to worry about the price direction, since it always covers any possible loss, and also earns money. You just have to worry about the calculation of the increment of the lots.
In fact, someone who has really mastered a type of trading system that is hedge-based, does not need any technical indicator, just needs an FX pair whose price moves a lot 😁


There have so many standard ways to read the market technically & fundamentally, so why need this complicated trading system (hedging)?


Well, of course there are several ways to analyze the market, and to get money out of it. But not everyone understands a type of strategy that one can understand. There are people who specialize in technical analysis, others in fundamental analysis, and others specialize in strategies that do not require any analysis, only movements in the price. I'm talking about some algorithmic trading strategies. I think that, finally, if a strategy based on hedging is profitable, and if the profits correspond to the risk assumed, that is what matters ... making money. By managing risk well, this can be achieved with a strategy based on hedging.


Without any offense do you have at least some idea what are you talking about? How is EA trading related to hedge?


Well, I do have an idea. I answered your post previously, and attach some images so that you could evaluate the performance of an algorithmic trading system based on hedging, but it seems that it was deleted. I leave a link to the YouTube channel we have with my partners. There we have uploaded hours and hours of recording of live trades in 2017 using this strategy with EA's, and I must say that we continue making money in 2018 in a consistent manner, covering each trade with a negative result with trade with a positive result that it is bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZX8ASnR4fQ7oZl64O6y2Dg?view_as=subscriber


OMG. I do not care about your promo.
This is MyFxBook - website that allows easy processing and evaluation of your trading. All anybody need to see is the link to your MFB account with great results.

kennyhubbard (compuforexpamm)
May 21 2018 at 12:12
265 postów
NyNFinancial,

I used to be a adamant hedge trade believer.......until someone showed me the light.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and if it works for you, that is great but your public system tells a different story, and you are going to get flak for that.

No matter what your opinion, there are 2 facts that are indisputable :-

1. Your series of trades can at any point in time be resolved into a single one way trade;
2. Hedge grid type trading will cost you a lot in terms of interest - your own system is a case in point.

Consider re-writing your EA to close trades and open in the opposite direction......it is exactly the same as a hedge grid, without the swap penalties. Or move to a swap free broker.


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Baldo (BaldoN)
May 22 2018 at 14:32
522 postów
My opinion is supporting the idea that hedging from the point of the retail trader does not make any sense. Perhaps the misleading of the hedging come out from the how MT4 has been build, but on the real market exist just net based position/exposure.

NyNFinancial
May 25 2018 at 09:20
20 postów
compuforexpamm posted:
NyNFinancial,

I used to be a adamant hedge trade believer.......until someone showed me the light.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and if it works for you, that is great but your public system tells a different story, and you are going to get flak for that.

No matter what your opinion, there are 2 facts that are indisputable :-

1. Your series of trades can at any point in time be resolved into a single one way trade;
2. Hedge grid type trading will cost you a lot in terms of interest - your own system is a case in point.

Consider re-writing your EA to close trades and open in the opposite direction......it is exactly the same as a hedge grid, without the swap penalties. Or move to a swap free broker.




Very well, thank you for your contribution, I will take it into account. As for my public system, it has a slight drop because the broker arbitrarily closed a sequence of trades, before it reached the profit target, but those things serve to know each broker. I have an account that I manage through my trusted broker, but I do not show it, since the goal is to obtain statistics to share with those who contribute with the development of my private PAMM account project. So I'll keep making money with my fully automated system, since it works and it does it very well, and that's what matters to me in the end...to make money...

Ganando dinero en el mercado FX. Earning money in the FX market.
NyNFinancial
May 25 2018 at 09:20
20 postów
togr posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
togr posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
Adribaasmet posted:
NyNFinancial posted:
A system that is based on hedge is quite difficult to manage, but it is also quite profitable once it is achieved. The hedge can not only be used to cover losses. If you have a good algorithm to increase the lot size, with the objective that, in the end, there is a net quantity of lots always following the trend, you can establish a DD zone that the total balance of the account can support. As long as the price exceeds that area, and the net quantity of lots follows the trend, the breakeven point can be reached soon and, from there, we already enter the profit area.
Of course, it is not a kind of strategy for everyone, nor is it the most appreciated or known, precisely because not everyone comes to dominate it, but the person who does it does not have to worry about the price direction, since it always covers any possible loss, and also earns money. You just have to worry about the calculation of the increment of the lots.
In fact, someone who has really mastered a type of trading system that is hedge-based, does not need any technical indicator, just needs an FX pair whose price moves a lot 😁


There have so many standard ways to read the market technically & fundamentally, so why need this complicated trading system (hedging)?


Well, of course there are several ways to analyze the market, and to get money out of it. But not everyone understands a type of strategy that one can understand. There are people who specialize in technical analysis, others in fundamental analysis, and others specialize in strategies that do not require any analysis, only movements in the price. I'm talking about some algorithmic trading strategies. I think that, finally, if a strategy based on hedging is profitable, and if the profits correspond to the risk assumed, that is what matters ... making money. By managing risk well, this can be achieved with a strategy based on hedging.


Without any offense do you have at least some idea what are you talking about? How is EA trading related to hedge?


Well, I do have an idea. I answered your post previously, and attach some images so that you could evaluate the performance of an algorithmic trading system based on hedging, but it seems that it was deleted. I leave a link to the YouTube channel we have with my partners. There we have uploaded hours and hours of recording of live trades in 2017 using this strategy with EA's, and I must say that we continue making money in 2018 in a consistent manner, covering each trade with a negative result with trade with a positive result that it is bigger.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZX8ASnR4fQ7oZl64O6y2Dg?view_as=subscriber


OMG. I do not care about your promo.
This is MyFxBook - website that allows easy processing and evaluation of your trading. All anybody need to see is the link to your MFB account with great results.


I think nobody asked for money. It's not a promo, it's just a video, my friend. If you do not like it, do not look at it and that's it.

Ganando dinero en el mercado FX. Earning money in the FX market.
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