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Apr 08, 2011 at 15:30
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Uczestnik z Apr 04, 2011   66 postów
Jun 26, 2011 at 18:16
Don't know what happened this month. Overall there doesn't seem to have been much growth, 10% in nearly 3 months of trading with 16% drawdown; doesn't look like a very successful system anymore! Maybe I invested at the wrong time? Hope that things recover quickly, I can see by the balance chart that people have started taking their money out already... I know you will do your best for us investors Telmo. Thank you.
Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Jul 28, 2011 at 12:18
Hi,

As all know Foreign exchange trading is a high risk investment. Trading in the foreign exchange markets on margin carries a high level of risk, and may not be suitable for all individuals. At OTS Fx our first priority is preserve investors capital. Last month we had a losing month, although we are back in track again and this month we perform our best month since we begin trading the new PAMM account. The trading system remains the same, because is already stress tested on the market for at least 5 years, with minor changes in the Portfolio and Money Management program.

The Major Error in investors is when system enters in DrawDown, purely change the all system, and that will only lead to the statistics that more then 95% of traders lose money, which is totally true.

To finish, yes OTS Fx equity as been somehow volatile, but markets are in high volatile times, what is most important is OTS Fx investors are making money and are happy.

Don´t expect see here like 100% in one month, we don´t aim to those gains, because the risk to get those is extremely high, and our money management doesn´t contemplate those high risks.

What everyone can expect is consistent and average returns of 10/15% month, with DD not exceeding the max we have faced till now.

Best Regards,

OTS Fx
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Uczestnik z May 13, 2011   7 postów
Sep 04, 2011 at 02:01
10-15% per month would be great. We're not getting that this Summer, but the account is certainly up right now. OTS decided to sit a couple weeks out during the US market crash, which I was very glad to see, as I have noticed that during especially volatile weeks, OTS has made some missteps.

Volatility in this account continues -- this week, OTS quickly lost 20%, then made 23% over the next few days, closing at its highest level since I invested. 20% is a serious drawdown, so beware, investors. If you need an account where you can be certain to withdraw at the 'average gain' this might not be for you. But if you are investing in the mid to long term, it might be a good choice. I invested in May 2011 and am currently up just over 20%. That is an excellent return -- if I were to withdraw now.

Want to reiterate that OTS is extremely professional in its communications. So far FXCM has proved a reliable brokerage as well -- despite some serious crime going on in the industry lately (fraud etc). So you need only be concerned with their trading ability, which is how it should be! I feel fortunate to have them as a partner in this challenging economic climate.
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Uczestnik z Mar 28, 2011   1008 postów
Sep 04, 2011 at 04:34
Good Post MonkeyBars. Thanks for sharing your opinion and updating this discussion.
Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Sep 04, 2011 at 13:48
Hi MonkeyBars,

I appreciate a lot your comments and i can only say that as always i make impossibles to provide best service to OTS Fx investors. Markets are not easy since June, very volatile, range, etc... but i never excuse poor performance with the markets behaviour.

The 10-15% average profit per month is total achievable and is our Target on the mid term, but OTS Fx will never get more exposed to market to achieve that levels, putting in risk a very high DD.

To finish i just want to thank the confidence investors put in OTS Fx, and help everyday building this project.

Best Regards,

OTS Fx
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Uczestnik z May 13, 2011   22 postów
Sep 04, 2011 at 18:43
I totally agree with MonkeyBars im an investor and overall im happy , it is a volatile account but ive learnt to trust telmo and not look at thee account everyday. So far there have quick recovery after dd . No probs with FXCM or Telmo , recommended !
Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Sep 05, 2011 at 11:57
Hi Jez.

Really appreciate your words. It´s good see my work building wealth and trust to OTS Fx investors.

regards,

OTS Fx
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Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Sep 20, 2011 at 22:10 (edytowane Sep 20, 2011 at 22:11)
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Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Sep 27, 2011 at 00:14
Hi All,

Is important to explain the Drawdown we have faced on accounts. This was due system behaviour and internal factors that are currently resolved.

We are total responsible for the Drawdown (even with the internal factors, that we couldn´t control till today ).
After the Emergency Stoploss was activated all trading was halted until further notice from clients decision regarding accounts.

The internal factors, cause a very high leverage in the middle of trading cycle and subsequent High Drawdown, which forces us to close all positions and cut the losses, avoiding more risk.

We took all measures for situations like this never be repeated, and that´s the reason we have changed min. deposit, withdrawals procedures and other things.

Regards,

OTS Fx
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Uczestnik z Mar 28, 2011   1008 postów
Sep 27, 2011 at 10:08
Internal Factors? Can you explain this in greater detail? High leverage is result of Averaging Down?
Is this an EA on autopilot? or
An EA controlled with Manual intervention, or purely mechanical system (manual)?

What measures did you take to prevent this from happening again?



Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Sep 27, 2011 at 11:10 (edytowane Sep 27, 2011 at 11:17)
Hi Will,

A smaller cycle trading in conjuction with a higher cycle and additional withdrawal cause a high leverage used in the trades which force us to close them.

We never average down a trade, that is not our trading style.

Is a purely mechanical system ( manual trading ).

Regarding the meausures most important is the withdrawal procedure and no conjucntion of trading cycles if they not hedge by itself neither do compounding weeklly basis, just monthly basis.

Like i told, there is no intention getting excuses for what happen, just getting the solutions for not happen again.

regards,

OTS Fx

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Uczestnik z Mar 28, 2011   1008 postów
Sep 27, 2011 at 11:53
Understood.

You may want to consider working with MAM instead of PAMM as investor's withdraw would not affect your portfolio of positions.
Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Oct 01, 2011 at 22:57
Hi,

Is at our website a post regarding the situation we have faced during september 2011 https://www.otsfx.com/2011/10/important-update/

Is nothing more then what was explained to Myfxbook community but we think that was important explain all thru our website so current and future investors be informed of what happened and measures we take to prevent it.

Regards,

OTS Fx
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Uczestnik z Mar 28, 2011   1008 postów
Oct 02, 2011 at 07:49

   ForexScam posted:
   Understood.

You may want to consider working with MAM instead of PAMM as investor's withdraw would not affect your portfolio of positions.

At my first glance I thought an investor withdrew a significant amount of capital which forced your portfolio of positions into a High leveraged situation. However, this doesn't seam the case here.

 It was a $9500 trading loss, which is clearly displayed on the PROFIT graph. When you look at the Balance graph, an equal amount is displayed. So what really happened here?
Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Oct 02, 2011 at 10:33
Hi Will,

It happens what was explained - withdrawals on accounts and a high market range and a accumulation of trading cycles ( minor and major ).

For instance the major cycle cames from june, almost 5 month in cycle. Accumulated Withdrawals versus accumulated losses produces bad results. 3% of Withdrawal may not be noticed but on the money management can accumulate the problems.

Regards,

OTS Fx
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Uczestnik z May 13, 2011   22 postów
Oct 02, 2011 at 18:48
hi telmo ,

i am getting worried about investment too , having looked at performance i've only experienced 1 profitable month in 4 months.

1st month i invested = -8.12%
2nd months invested = +16.8%
3rd month invested = -9.83%
4th month invested = -0.18%

not sure what i should be doing , system seems very volatile and not stable at all
Uczestnik z Sep 12, 2009   313 postów
Oct 02, 2011 at 19:06
the results are saying an answer
run out with money .
See previous posts ,they say they have managed petra funds
That means indirectly they have agreed they have blown accounts
Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Oct 02, 2011 at 19:40
Answering to jezrp, that´s not complete true, if you see your statement, with all withdrawals you have made, sometimes within space of one week, you are earning more then you show in your post. If you are worried about your investment and don´t have trust in OTS Fx, here at the public i say to you withdrawal all your money and invest in other management company, or invezt yourself.

Answering to kishorejoga - Do you know that petra had more then 5 managers/systems working ? Currently at your accounts i seem more then 30% in DD, and you came here, with no experience at all in our systems/management and do comments like you did ? Do you know what are the strategies OTS Fx is using ? Do you know if was OTS Fx that blow accounts at Petra ? Petra blow accounts and OTS was not trading for them more then 3/4 months. So please stick to talk of what you know, don´t tell lies about us.

All OTS Fx clients can´t complaint about any type of hiding the true, not answering even when systems are in Drawdown. We are completely honest and transparent to our clients, and to all.

So please, any options are welcome, but as we always did, just say the true.

regards,

OTS Fx
 
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forex_trader_32776
Uczestnik z Mar 28, 2011   1008 postów
Oct 03, 2011 at 07:31
My misunderstanding again. I didn't calculate any figures from profit lost vs decrease in account balance. I merely looked at the account balance decline and then compared it to the Profit Graph. Which were fairly close. Therefore, I didn't notice the 3% account balance withdraw. Well, thank you for the reply and explaining the situation again.

As a recommendation, you may want to consider MAM in the future to allow your investors the option to add/withdraw funds without interfering with position management. A mere penalty to investors for an early withdrawal doesn't necessary solve the issue here. You may want to rethink your structure. Best luck with your decisions.
Uczestnik z Jan 25, 2011   20 postów
Oct 03, 2011 at 11:17 (edytowane Oct 03, 2011 at 11:18)
Hi Will,

I appreciate your opinions. MAM can be a better solution, but the current broker OTS use, and trust a lot, for trading and for clients safety of funds doesn´t provide that solution.

Regarding the structure, maybe you are right, a mere penalty doesn´t necessary solve the issue - the penalty can lead to revoke LPOA and subsequent suspension of account, although the 'bad' is done on accounts.
To solve the possibility of withdrawals, OTS lowered the exposition to markets too. This will lead to a bit lower performance, but for sure a safety one. Beside this the conjunction of cycles are now reduced to almost 10%, and only if they hedge internally.

With this i think we are in a good way to fullfill our goals.

Regards,

OTS Fx
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