All your explanations aside, why don´t you mention that there is a 30% tax on your website BEFORE people sign up? Why do you delay execution in my account up to 3 seconds now? And even if you charge this tax, you still haven´t send me my withdrawal (minus tax).

Sehr geehrter Herr
Das ist Hippo-trade, deutschsprachige Organisatorin (wir haben einmal gesprochen).
Es tut uns leid, dass wir Missverständnisse haben. Wie haben Sie schon verstanden – wir (Hippo-trade) arbeiten und befinden sich in Russland. Wir arbeiten entsprechend russischer Gesetzgebung, deshalb sollen wir die Steuer zahlen. Im gegebenen Fall ist es keine unsere Gebühren (wir erheben KEINE Gebühren), sondern eine Steuer für Ausländer. Wir bitten um Ihr Verständnis.
Sie kommen aus Deutschland (kein Inländer) und erzielen Gewinn in Russland. Dieser Gewinn ist steuerpflichtig (entsprechend russischer Gesetzgebung). Das können Sie hier sehen und lesen:
 https://nalog.garant.ru/fns/nk/32/#block_224 - Verweisung auf ein Gesetz 224 RF. Das ist eine offizielle Seite von einem russischen Steuerfahndungsdienst.
Alle andere Börsenmakler haben keine Eintragung in Russland. Sehen Sie:
https://www.alfa-forex.ru/storage/files/docs/client_agreement.pdf - Seite 10. (eingetragen British Virgin Islands)

https://download.fxclub.org/Condition/RU_UniReg.pdf - Seite 35 (eingetragen British Virgin Islands)

https://wforex.ru/agreement#8 Компания «World Forex» Address: 3rd Floor, Geneva Place, Waterfront Drive, Road Town, Tortola. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortola)
Danke und, wenn Sie mit mir etwas besprechen wollen, markieren in E-mail „für Anna“.
Mit besten Grüßen

JSC 'Hippo-trade' works according to the legislation of the Russian Federation. Since there is also registered on the territory of Russia.
According to the legislation of the Russian Federation, with the persons who are citizens of another country, if they receive income in Russia, deducted tax on personal income in the amount of 30% of the profits.
In this case, 30% - this is not the fee for the conclusion that we charge customers for their own profit.
30% - is the sum of the income tax on non-residents of the Russian Federation. According to the established law, we have an obligation to transfer this amount to the Federal Tax Service.
If the term of a foreign citizen in the Russian * 12 months * prior to the date of actual receipt of income will be less than 183 days, the date of receipt of income it would not be a tax resident of the Russian Federation and its revenue from operations in Russia will subject to personal income tax rate of 30 percent (Clause 3 Article 224 of the Tax Code <https://nalog.garant.ru/fns/nk/32/#block_224>).https://nalog.garant.ru/fns/nk/32/ # block_224 - a reference to Article 224 of the Tax Code. The official website of the Tax Service of the Russian Federation.

You listed companies registered outside the territory of Russia.
https://www.alfa-forex.ru/storage/files/docs/client_agreement.pdf - page 10. (registered British Virgin
Islands)

https://download.fxclub.org/Condition/RU_UniReg.pdf - page 35 (registered British Virgin Islands)

https://wforex.ru/agreement # 8 Company «World Forex» Address: 3rd Floor, Geneva Place, Waterfront Drive, Road Town, Tortola. (Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortola)

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geektrader posted:
Beware, in case you can manage to even withdraw to a international account, they tell you that when you withdraw they take 30% 'tax fees' on top. This must be a big joke as the receiver is responsible to pay the tax in his country, it´s not the broker who has to do this. I have several other Russian broker accounts, NONE of them charge ANY tax on your withdrawals.

Hippo-trade is a complete bucket shop broker trying to trick you by every cent you´ve deposited with them. I have yet to receive my money at all, all they said is that if I withdraw they charge the 30% tax (and funnily the first withdrawal they send to me (10$, haha) didn´t have that 30% tax, they just came up with it after I tried to withdraw 400$), but even after I agreed to that (I just want to get my money out there), the money was NOT sent yet, after almost a week of a sensless discussion back and forth about taxes and withdrawals methods that they don´t allow while they list them on their website. They try everything to simply make you give up.....

Emails from them:

'Ok our company withdraw 8500 RUB - 30% (НДФЛ) = 6000 RUB (Your net
profit for subtracting all taxes)'

'We are tax agents and taxes paid in full (30% to the state tax service) in profits.'

^They are simply lying as no other Russian broker has EVER charged ANY tax on my withdrawals and as said: the receiver of the money must declare the tax in his own country, the broker has nothing to do with that!

Additionally, after making good profits with them, they have switched me to the 'standard' account because they say I have now close to $500 account balance (nowhere on their site is there any mentioning that there are different account types at all). Well, that 'standard account' now has execution times of about 5 to 10 seconds + Requotes over requotes, while I previously had 70ms(!) execution times with no requotes all the time with them.

It´s clear what they are doing here: you are making profit and they don´t like it and try ALL tricks to get back your gains, by switching you to a slower execution account + telling you that if you withdraw you have to pay 30% 'tax'.

STAY AWAY FROM THEM!!

Компания ЗАО 'Гиппо-трейд' работает согласно законодательству Российской Федерации. Так как находится и зарегистрирована и находится на территории России.

По законодательству Российской Федерации, с лиц, являющихся гражданами другой страны, в случае получения ими дохода на территории России, вычитается налог на доходы физических лиц в размере 30% от полученной прибыли.
В данном случае, 30% - это не комиссионный сбор за вывод, который мы снимаем с клиентов, ради собственной прибыли.
30% - это сумма налога на доходы физических лиц, не являющихся резидентами Российской Федерации. По установленному законодательству, наша компания обязана перечислить эту сумму в Федеральную Налоговую Службу.
В случае, если срок нахождения иностранного гражданина на территории России*в течение 12 месяцев*, предшествующих дате фактического получения дохода, составит менее 183 дней, то на дату получения дохода он не будет являться налоговым резидентом Российской Федерации и его доход от работы в России будет подлежать обложению НДФЛ по ставке 30 процентов (п.3 ст.224 НК РФ <https://nalog.garant.ru/fns/nk/32/#block_224>).

https://nalog.garant.ru/fns/nk/32/#block_224 - ссылка на статью 224 НК РФ. На официальном сайте Налоговой службы РФ.


Перечисленные Вами компании зарегистрированы не на территории России.
https://www.alfa-forex.ru/storage/files/docs/client_agreement.pdf - страница 10. (зарегистрированы British Virgin Islands)

https://download.fxclub.org/Condition/RU_UniReg.pdf - страница 35 (зарегистрированы British Virgin Islands)

https://wforex.ru/agreement#8 Компания «World Forex» Адрес: 3rd Floor, Geneva Place, Waterfront Drive, Road Town, Tortola. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortola)

Beware, in case you can manage to even withdraw to a international account, they tell you that when you withdraw they take 30% 'tax fees' on top. This must be a big joke as the receiver is responsible to pay the tax in his country, it´s not the broker who has to do this. I have several other Russian broker accounts, NONE of them charge ANY tax on your withdrawals.

Hippo-trade is a complete bucket shop broker trying to trick you by every cent you´ve deposited with them. I have yet to receive my money at all, all they said is that if I withdraw they charge the 30% tax (and funnily the first withdrawal they send to me (10$, haha) didn´t have that 30% tax, they just came up with it after I tried to withdraw 400$), but even after I agreed to that (I just want to get my money out there), the money was NOT sent yet, after almost a week of a sensless discussion back and forth about taxes and withdrawals methods that they don´t allow while they list them on their website. They try everything to simply make you give up.....

Emails from them:

'Ok our company withdraw 8500 RUB - 30% (НДФЛ) = 6000 RUB (Your net
profit for subtracting all taxes)'

'We are tax agents and taxes paid in full (30% to the state tax service) in profits.'

^They are simply lying as no other Russian broker has EVER charged ANY tax on my withdrawals and as said: the receiver of the money must declare the tax in his own country, the broker has nothing to do with that!

Additionally, after making good profits with them, they have switched me to the 'standard' account because they say I have now close to $500 account balance (nowhere on their site is there any mentioning that there are different account types at all). Well, that 'standard account' now has execution times of about 5 to 10 seconds + Requotes over requotes, while I previously had 70ms(!) execution times with no requotes all the time with them.

It´s clear what they are doing here: you are making profit and they don´t like it and try ALL tricks to get back your gains, by switching you to a slower execution account + telling you that if you withdraw you have to pay 30% 'tax'.

STAY AWAY FROM THEM!!

They don´t allow international bank transfer withdrawals (tried to withdraw to a German bank account) and they don´t tell you so beforehand. I´ve funded with Mastercard, but now there is no way to get my money out again as all their withdrawal methods are only for Russia. Customer support is slow and sub-par and barely speaks any English. This broker should restrict the sign up of clients other then Russia which would have saved me a lot of money that is now stuck with them and they are not willing to return.

Нет проскальзываний, нет вбросов, редкие реквоты.

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