RoFx Diskussion

I agree with you.

Posting their trading data here at myfxbook triggered my initial interest to take a good look at their offer. But it took me about one hour to read different sources and come to the facts. As a result, for now I will not even send 1k usd as long as their broker listed at myfxbook is www.esterholdings.com, because of this broker extremely low position in the brokerage food chain. This broker could be simply be working for rofx to build its happy-trades-tale, or even be partially/fully owned. Honestly I don't care which one of these hypothesis is the true one. Additionally, they make almost all perfect trades with pip wins well above +10, consistently, which I have not seen anyone but scammers pull off. Lets come back to same basics for that general guideline 'if it is too good to be true, it probably (certainly!) isn't' : A sane individual/company does not make an initial deposit of $10,000,000.00 in a bottom-feeding brokerage company, period. If the room smells like 'apple pie' (to use a polite substitute for smell source) , it is because there is 'apple pie' in the room. It is that simple. If they link their myfxbook page to a real broker (not a 'toy' broker), then I will re-consider my position. Hope this helps, please be safe and only work with credible financial institutions.

I agree with DynScaling. I've seen plenty of times how such accounts suddenly disappear. Especially if they offer packages etc. If a strategy works it works also on a well regulated broker, where you have funds protected by the compensation scheme.

DynScaling, all that you have said would make sense, but you missed one small detail)). their 10 M offer (Vip pamm) has NOTHING common with Ester holding. the client select ANY broker. accordingly, a client does not transfer money to Ester holding or even rofx.

RandallJ posted:
DynScaling, all that you have said would make sense, but you missed one small detail)). their 10 M offer (Vip pamm) has NOTHING common with Ester holding. the client select ANY broker. accordingly, a client does not transfer money to Ester holding or even rofx.

Yes they do. Check who is the beneficiary when you transfer funds to broker. It's always the broker's name listed as benefeciary... And with unregulated brokers the money can disappear while with regulated broker you have a compensation scheme and protection up to 100k... Depends from regulation, but sending 10 mil to unknown broker smells fishy... No company in their sane mind would do this unless they are on this scam.

RandallJ posted:
DynScaling, all that you have said would make sense, but you missed one small detail)). their 10 M offer (Vip pamm) has NOTHING common with Ester holding. the client select ANY broker. accordingly, a client does not transfer money to Ester holding or even rofx.

RandallJ, oportunis' comment is reality. If you were thinking about opening a 10m$ account following rofx instructions I truly hope you were aware of what oportunis' has just stated here. But even if that were not the case, my point here was totally elsewhere, it is on rofx's PUBLIC TRACK RECORD CREDIBILITY: which I personally give a score of '0' (zero) to rofx. Why? >>>> If anyone, rofx included, can give me one single reason to select www.esterholdings.com to open a 10.000.000 USD account and link that account to myfxbook on the intent to acquire confidence of a prospecting investor, I would be delighted to know what that reason could be. Sending 100$, 1,000$ or even 10,000$ to an unregulated 'toy' broker is one thing, but 10 million usd requires a totally different and much higher level of rationale. So again, why did rofx fund its 10m$ myfxbook account account at Ester? Find yourself the most proabable answer(s) to this question and you find yourself dismissing rofx. Really, I could not emphasize any more than this, it is really that simple.

Ok, to conclude, another general rule to keep in mind >>> Before giving your money to someone, ask yourself, 'Where are the pitfalls of the 'nicely-profitable' narrative being presented to me? And where are the possible major conflict(s) of interest?' I hope this helps, and please look away from sugar-coated happy tales.

oportunis posted:

RandallJ posted:
DynScaling, all that you have said would make sense, but you missed one small detail)). their 10 M offer (Vip pamm) has NOTHING common with Ester holding. the client select ANY broker. accordingly, a client does not transfer money to Ester holding or even rofx.

Yes they do. Check who is the beneficiary when you transfer funds to broker. It's always the broker's name listed as benefeciary... And with unregulated brokers the money can disappear while with regulated broker you have a compensation scheme and protection up to 100k... Depends from regulation, but sending 10 mil to unknown broker smells fishy... No company in their sane mind would do this unless they are on this scam.

Dear oportunis, you probably misunderstood something. If you don't like Ester, you can pick any other broker whom you trust. Open an account to your name and connect their robot as a trader.

I'm starting to connect them to my broker in Europe, in SAXO bank, and I didn’t transfer my money either to RO FX or Ester Holding. This is my account, they are connected just as a trader.

The XxxxxxxY rofx member accounts further illustrate what a scam attempt is here. Here is how they operate. Some myfxbook real members post some doubts about the rofx scam in this forum, so the scam company within hours works to fix the headwind by creating fake myfxbook members to pass on some good vibes to this forum, more precisely you can take a look how the they come fresh right out of the oven with user accounts that are still warm and toasty. Take a good look at the dates:

(a.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Mathew***B***,
>>> Member Since Aug 21, 2019 >>> 1 posts on Aug 21 at 18:04
His pitch: he trades for 20 years, states he will open an account worth 50-100kUSD for trading rofx

(b.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Robert***Stalcup***,
>>> Member Since Aug 26, 2019 >>> 1 posts on Aug 26 at 12:00
His pitch: he's on a VIP package (that would be 10 million USD deposit, only it's not true), saying all good things about rofx

(c.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Randall***J***,
>>> Member Since Sep 05, 2019 >>> 1 posts on Sep 05 at 14:14
His pitch: the funds of 10M USD to be held by www.esterholdings.com , a 'toy/fantasy' unregulaged broker, is not really held by them because you open the account with another broker. WRONG! read the fine print, or simply read what oportunis wrote.

(d.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Joseph***H***,
>>> Member Since 11 hours ago >>> 1 posts 5 hours ago!!
His pitch: he sent his money to SAXO bank, ( only to be held at Ester!!). And since SAXO is his broker, this would mean another 10mUSD.


So after 20mUSD fictitius deposits and some change, misinformation about where your funds would be held, and 5 fake user accounts (if you add that of jan09 too), I believe my contribution to community awareness here is concluded.

I don’t understand why you made a dead set at this Ro fx. Indeed they're good, but not the only ones. I connected their bot to my Swissquote account as a trader. We've been working for three months. Trading results are the same as on Myfxbook. Now I've found another robot, that I guess shows a bit better results. I'll give it a try. If something goes wrong I'll get back to Rofx. I'm the account owner, and can turn on / turn off any robot at any time. Any broker has this option.

And I thought rofx would give up sending more fake accounts at this point.... But they insist on keep shooting themselves in the foot, so let me help them all the way.

We are invited to believe that:

(a.) DanielDanis is a rofx customer since <<<<3 months ago>>>
(b.) Because he has opened his account with his own broker of choice, it means he has funded his account with at least <<<10.000.000 USD>>>, that's ten million
(c.) Because his account is by definintion a rofx PAMM account, he does not mind that the funds are held by another broker that is not his Swissquote broker but an <<<unregulated broker>>> instead
(d.) Because he is a myfxbook member since **1 hour ago** , it means he had not seen any of the forum discussions here until at least 2 hours ago. His new membership here is a purely <<<untimed coincidence>>> (see 'Member Since _1_ Hours ago _1_post' to the right of this name, at the time of his post)
(e.) What does a new myfxbook member do within 1 hour of signing up to the myfxbook website? Perhaps he takes a look at the other portfolios, news, indicators? No! <<<after one creates a new myfxbook account the first action is to rush to the forum and post messages!>>>
(f.) This new myfxbook account above has a clearly first and last name of anglosaxon origin, but for some reason he is clearly not a native-English speaker, thus suggesting <<<fake 'realname' allias>>>
(g.) After this forum thread has clearly exposed rofx as a combination of untrustworthy public record, suspected conflict of interest in collaboration with an unregulated broker, and 5 fake myfxbook accounts freshly-created accounts, another allegedly real rofx 10mUSD customer drops by to try to tell us 'rofx is great, and there others out there to choose from as well'. The coincidence happens within <<< less 5 hours>>> since the latest unfavorable rofx post in the forum, repeating previous timing patterns in this forum.

Conclusion:
Now, if anyone believes that (a.)+(b.)+(c.)+(d.)+(e.)+(f.)+(g.) can add up plausibly and nothing sounds rotten, I would suggest they go to https://rofx.net/ right now and sign up for an account right now. They are a very ethical company, backed up by the best and most solid financial institution out there, their customer service will do anything for you, except lie & dissimulate to get your business.

I have opened account with ROFX in November 2018 and deposited USD1000.00, now it is showing balance is USD1400.00. I am not comfortable put additional deposit to ROFX's broker. I am happy to invest more if they list on Signlastart.com or if I can connect to my broker account. In that case I am happy to pay 50% commission as well if their performance is still same. Please let me know if anyone has idea on how to connect to my brokers account.

DynScaling posted:
And I thought rofx would give up sending more fake accounts at this point.... But they insist on keep shooting themselves in the foot, so let me help them all the way.

We are invited to believe that:

(a.) DanielDanis is a rofx customer since <<<<3 months ago>>>
(b.) Because he has opened his account with his own broker of choice, it means he has funded his account with at least <<<10.000.000 USD>>>, that's ten million
(c.) Because his account is by definintion a rofx PAMM account, he does not mind that the funds are held by another broker that is not his Swissquote broker but an <<<unregulated broker>>> instead
(d.) Because he is a myfxbook member since **1 hour ago** , it means he had not seen any of the forum discussions here until at least 2 hours ago. His new membership here is a purely <<<untimed coincidence>>> (see 'Member Since _1_ Hours ago _1_post' to the right of this name, at the time of his post)
(e.) What does a new myfxbook member do within 1 hour of signing up to the myfxbook website? Perhaps he takes a look at the other portfolios, news, indicators? No! <<<after one creates a new myfxbook account the first action is to rush to the forum and post messages!>>>
(f.) This new myfxbook account above has a clearly first and last name of anglosaxon origin, but for some reason he is clearly not a native-English speaker, thus suggesting <<<fake 'realname' allias>>>
(g.) After this forum thread has clearly exposed rofx as a combination of untrustworthy public record, suspected conflict of interest in collaboration with an unregulated broker, and 5 fake myfxbook accounts freshly-created accounts, another allegedly real rofx 10mUSD customer drops by to try to tell us 'rofx is great, and there others out there to choose from as well'. The coincidence happens within <<< less 5 hours>>> since the latest unfavorable rofx post in the forum, repeating previous timing patterns in this forum.

Conclusion:
Now, if anyone believes that (a.)+(b.)+(c.)+(d.)+(e.)+(f.)+(g.) can add up plausibly and nothing sounds rotten, I would suggest they go to https://rofx.net/ right now and sign up for an account right now. They are a very ethical company, backed up by the best and most solid financial institution out there, their customer service will do anything for you, except lie & dissimulate to get your business.

Dear Dynscaling,
Yes I got what you re trying to say, even I dont speak English as first language. So you mean RoFx is like Robb*ryFX right. We all middle --class investors, we dont have a money printer that can print out instantly $10M...
 What I can say RoFX is very well, very sophisticated designed website. Its not easy to do any investigation here.

You open an account to your name with any broker you trust. This is clearly stated on their website. But if you don't trust a single broker in the world, then your point is clear ;)

DynScaling posted:
The XxxxxxxY rofx member accounts further illustrate what a scam attempt is here. Here is how they operate. Some myfxbook real members post some doubts about the rofx scam in this forum, so the scam company within hours works to fix the headwind by creating fake myfxbook members to pass on some good vibes to this forum, more precisely you can take a look how the they come fresh right out of the oven with user accounts that are still warm and toasty. Take a good look at the dates:

(a.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Mathew***B***,
>>> Member Since Aug 21, 2019 >>> 1 posts on Aug 21 at 18:04
His pitch: he trades for 20 years, states he will open an account worth 50-100kUSD for trading rofx

(b.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Robert***Stalcup***,
>>> Member Since Aug 26, 2019 >>> 1 posts on Aug 26 at 12:00
His pitch: he's on a VIP package (that would be 10 million USD deposit, only it's not true), saying all good things about rofx

(c.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Randall***J***,
>>> Member Since Sep 05, 2019 >>> 1 posts on Sep 05 at 14:14
His pitch: the funds of 10M USD to be held by www.esterholdings.com , a 'toy/fantasy' unregulaged broker, is not really held by them because you open the account with another broker. WRONG! read the fine print, or simply read what oportunis wrote.

(d.) Create fake myfxbook member ***Joseph***H***,
>>> Member Since 11 hours ago >>> 1 posts 5 hours ago!!
His pitch: he sent his money to SAXO bank, ( only to be held at Ester!!). And since SAXO is his broker, this would mean another 10mUSD.


So after 20mUSD fictitius deposits and some change, misinformation about where your funds would be held, and 5 fake user accounts (if you add that of jan09 too), I believe my contribution to community awareness here is concluded.

I've been Rofx client got almost a year. I monitor trading statistics every day. When I saw your post, I got interested, and I reacted with respect and registered just to reply. I told you and everyone who supported your opinion, about one detail that I suppose you could miss accidentally. To be more specific 'How does rofx deceive clients if a client selects a broker and opens an account in his name?'. I asked only this question, without arguing and especially making anyone believe either that Rofx is cool or scam. To me it was important to get your arguments regarding it. I thought I would get compelling arguments, then I would close my account immediately. In response, when everyone saw that you completely crapped out in your position, you accused everyone whose opinion was different from yours to be frauds, just based on registration date, name or skin color!

I was a client for a time so I could test it out (see my previous posts in this thread) and I also have many friends who have been invested with them for quite some time. All, myself included, have experienced no issues. I've tried to provide as much information as I could about my experiences. The only thing I can say I would agree on is the broker issue. This makes me concerned as I am/was planning on re-investing a larger sum in RoFX at the beginning of the year.

Instead of fighting and having this break down into some kindergarten name calling, how about we discuss serious things other than who signed in to post when. Because, there are actual people in here who are interested in the discussion.

all of those who post in 'defense' of rofx have no links on myfxbook to show us the proof. Connect your mt4 to myfxbook and show us the profits you talk about. But in the end, if they are working with the broker all can be fake. If they would have a well-regulated broker like ICMarkets, Pepperstone, Tickmill, Axitrader, FXpro, LMAX and many FCA, ASIC regulated brokers they would be the hottest thing in the world. Showing results for some unknown brokerage is questionable and they are shooting themselves in the foot with this.

Almost all of us here dont like the idea of holding clients investment s for
270 days before first withdrawal,
W.t.frog...
I am right?
Thanks

DynScaling posted:
And I thought rofx would give up sending more fake accounts at this point.... But they insist on keep shooting themselves in the foot, so let me help them all the way.

We are invited to believe that:

(a.) DanielDanis is a rofx customer since <<<<3 months ago>>>
(b.) Because he has opened his account with his own broker of choice, it means he has funded his account with at least <<<10.000.000 USD>>>, that's ten million
(c.) Because his account is by definintion a rofx PAMM account, he does not mind that the funds are held by another broker that is not his Swissquote broker but an <<<unregulated broker>>> instead
(d.) Because he is a myfxbook member since **1 hour ago** , it means he had not seen any of the forum discussions here until at least 2 hours ago. His new membership here is a purely <<<untimed coincidence>>> (see 'Member Since _1_ Hours ago _1_post' to the right of this name, at the time of his post)
(e.) What does a new myfxbook member do within 1 hour of signing up to the myfxbook website? Perhaps he takes a look at the other portfolios, news, indicators? No! <<<after one creates a new myfxbook account the first action is to rush to the forum and post messages!>>>
(f.) This new myfxbook account above has a clearly first and last name of anglosaxon origin, but for some reason he is clearly not a native-English speaker, thus suggesting <<<fake 'realname' allias>>>
(g.) After this forum thread has clearly exposed rofx as a combination of untrustworthy public record, suspected conflict of interest in collaboration with an unregulated broker, and 5 fake myfxbook accounts freshly-created accounts, another allegedly real rofx 10mUSD customer drops by to try to tell us 'rofx is great, and there others out there to choose from as well'. The coincidence happens within <<< less 5 hours>>> since the latest unfavorable rofx post in the forum, repeating previous timing patterns in this forum.

Conclusion:
Now, if anyone believes that (a.)+(b.)+(c.)+(d.)+(e.)+(f.)+(g.) can add up plausibly and nothing sounds rotten, I would suggest they go to https://rofx.net/ right now and sign up for an account right now. They are a very ethical company, backed up by the best and most solid financial institution out there, their customer service will do anything for you, except lie & dissimulate to get your business.

Your arguments are ridiculous!