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 会員 Mar 18, 2010  127 件の投稿 Marco Pearlo Encarnacion (pearlo) Sep 01 2011 at 06:16 (Sep 01 2011 at 06:17に編集 ) NextLevelForex posted: Pips Expectancy = ( Average Pips Win * Winning Trades % + Average Pips Loss * Losing Trades % ) / 100    = 17.71 * 222 / 309 - 28.20 * 87 / 309 (used the average pip loss with the negative value, as it is, here) ~= 12.72 - 7.94    = 4.78using the given formula i think it should bePips Expectancy = (17.71*222/309 + -28.20*87/309) / 100  = (12.72 - 7.94) / 100  = 4.78 /100  = 0.0478where did the / 100 go? or did i miss something in the calculation? please correct me if im wrong. thanks. ..a forced kindness deserve no thanks,willingness to serve does not wait until it is asked for.. 会員 Apr 25, 2011  250 件の投稿 Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Sep 01 2011 at 06:23 I expressed the percentage for winning/losing trades as 0.xx already, so there is no need to divide that by 100.Specifically, I said the winning trades % is 222 / 309, which is about 0.72. You can also express that as 72 / 100.So if you are going to use the % as usual (for example, use a value of 72 for 72%), then dividing by 100 is necessary.But if you are using the mathematical value, as Will (0.72) or I (222/309) did, then dividing by 100 should be skipped. He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford 会員 Jan 14, 2010  2186 件の投稿 Chikot Sep 01 2011 at 06:24 anyone is sleeping here? 会員 Mar 18, 2010  127 件の投稿 Marco Pearlo Encarnacion (pearlo) Sep 01 2011 at 06:45 (Sep 01 2011 at 06:46に編集 ) NextLevelForex posted:     I expressed the percentage for winning/losing trades as 0.xx already, so there is no need to divide that by 100.Specifically, I said the winning trades % is 222 / 309, which is about 0.72. You can also express that as 72 / 100.So if you are going to use the % as usual (for example, use a value of 72 for 72%), then dividing by 100 is necessary.But if you are using the mathematical value, as Will (0.72) or I (222/309) did, then dividing by 100 should be skipped.thank you Remus for explaining.NextLevelForex posted: If Pips Expectancy is too low, let's say 2 pips, then any extra slippage and/or commission I could incur in my account, versus your 'master' account, could have significant negative effects to the performance I'll get.What Pips Expectancy do consider as good? 5 and above? or as long as it wont fall from 2pips? ..a forced kindness deserve no thanks,willingness to serve does not wait until it is asked for.. 会員 Apr 25, 2011  250 件の投稿 Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Sep 01 2011 at 15:31 A quick note regarding this suggestion I made: http://www.myfxbook.com/community/suggestion-box/show-expectancy-pips-along-one/161504,1The support team pointed out to me that the formula I provided for calculating the pips expectancy can be simplified a lot, as shown below:Expectancy in Pips= Average Pips Win * Winning Trades % + Average Pips Loss * Losing Trades %= (TotalPipsWon / WonTradeCount) * (WonTradeCount / TotalTradeCount) +  (TotalPipsLost / LostTradeCount) * (LostTradeCount / TotalTradeCount)= TotalPipsWon / TotalTradeCount + TotalPipsLost / TotalTradeCount= (TotalPipsWon + TotalPipsLost) / TotalTradeCount= TotalPips / TotalTradeCount He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford 会員 Apr 25, 2011  250 件の投稿 Remus Miclea (NextLevelForex) Sep 01 2011 at 15:50 pearlo posted: What Pips Expectancy do consider as good? 5 and above? or as long as it wont fall from 2pips?That's a personal preference. I consider an average of 2 pips per trade to be the very minimum, just for the simple fact that I'm mostly using ECN accounts, which charge you commissions to execute the trades; so if you make an average of 1 pip per trade, and pay the broker 0.8 pips, how profitable do you think you can you get when you add up the other costs of doing business?The lower the Pips Expectancy it is, the higher the chances that you'll get a high deviation from the 'expected' performance. Even 2 pips is low, and I'll use an EA that is making waves right now, with its astonishing returns (thousands of %):http://www.myfxbook.com/members/milliondpips/million-dollar-pips/114107That EA has a Pips Expectancy (as of now) of 1.86, which to me indicates a very high chance you'll get different results (and most likely worse) than the 'official' account. If you read through the tread of that EA, you'll see how people are trying to get various VPS/broker configurations, but still most of them ending up with losses. So basically the system is great, but you cannot get that performance in your account. Also, even more important than the Pips Expectancy is the Expectancy Ratio, at least for me. The higher that number, the better the trading method. I suggest you try to calculate the 2 formulas on trading systems for which you can find more than 100 trades. Then search for more than one account trading the same system. You'll see that, in general, the systems having repeatable, consistent results, are the ones with higher Pips Expectancy and higher Expectancy Ratio. He who thinks he can, and he who thinks he cannot, are both right. ~ Henry Ford 会員 Mar 18, 2010  127 件の投稿 Marco Pearlo Encarnacion (pearlo) Sep 01 2011 at 23:41 (Sep 01 2011 at 23:46に編集 ) NextLevelForex posted:     A quick note regarding this suggestion I made: http://www.myfxbook.com/community/suggestion-box/show-expectancy-pips-along-one/161504,1The support team pointed out to me that the formula I provided for calculating the pips expectancy can be simplified a lot, as shown below:Expectancy in Pips= Average Pips Win * Winning Trades % + Average Pips Loss * Losing Trades %= (TotalPipsWon / WonTradeCount) * (WonTradeCount / TotalTradeCount) +  (TotalPipsLost / LostTradeCount) * (LostTradeCount / TotalTradeCount)= TotalPipsWon / TotalTradeCount + TotalPipsLost / TotalTradeCount= (TotalPipsWon + TotalPipsLost) / TotalTradeCount= TotalPips / TotalTradeCountNice. now it is easier to calculate.NextLevelForex posted: That's a personal preference. I consider an average of 2 pips per trade to be the very minimum, just for the simple fact that I'm mostly using ECN accounts, which charge you commissions to execute the trades; so if you make an average of 1 pip per trade, and pay the broker 0.8 pips, how profitable do you think you can you get when you add up the other costs of doing business?Thanks for your explanations. Pips Expectancy and Expectancy Ratio are indeed very useful. Good luck in finding good systems and good managers. ..a forced kindness deserve no thanks,willingness to serve does not wait until it is asked for.. 会員 Sep 13, 2009  12 件の投稿 FX TopGun Trading (FXTopGunTrading) Sep 02 2011 at 22:31 Hi Remus MicleaMy name is Ben Williams.Trade Style: Swing Trading/Short Term Trend Trader (5 to 10 days or less)Trading Forex Since Jan 2005 with not much success until recently, after many many hours (a few years) of finally perfecting a short term trading method based on a very advance moving average cross-over system. Below is the post link to my trade acct.Trades Per Month: Typically between 25 and 55 trades per monthMax Trade Duration: There's no max trade duration as a set/fixed amount of time (but one can be applied if need be). The method continuously tells me if a trade is valid or has become an invalid trade. In 5 yrs of backtesting no trade has remained open longer than 20 trading days (not counting the weekend). The system is constantly being monitor by me, data is being updated on an hourly bases while a trade is open.Average Trade Duration: 16hrs to 72hrsPip Expectancy: 40.43 (if my calculation is correct)Expectancy Ratio: 5.60This trade method is a robust system which can be traded in any kind of market, ranging or trending with a built in feature that tells me when conditions are clear for taking a particular trade set-up. The method attempts to capture 100 pips per trade as long as the trade remains valid.Best Regards,Ben Williamshttp://www.myfxbook.com/members/FXTopGunTrading/fxtopguntrading/143610 There's no greater power than the North Star : Live Free or Die Trying 会員 Mar 22, 2010  191 件の投稿 77z3-FX.com (SaltyWaters) Sep 03 2011 at 05:44 添付ファイル: Only individuals have a sense of responsibility. – Nietzsche 会員 Mar 22, 2010  191 件の投稿 77z3-FX.com (SaltyWaters) Sep 03 2011 at 06:07 添付ファイル: Only individuals have a sense of responsibility. – Nietzsche
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