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Robotic Trading VS Manual Trading

topcrossfx
Oct 28 2016 at 08:38
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As of now, I do all my trades manually but good EA accompanied with good understanding of the market can be profitable too 😄

Janeo
Oct 28 2016 at 16:54
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Robotic and manual trading both has their own significance. Robotic trading is always disciplined and without any emotions. A robot is never tired and he can look into bunch of currencies at single point of time but where a robot lacks is he can't react based on change in fundamentals unexpectedly. Moreover a robot doesn't have brain. Input provided by you would be the only way of its functioning. So put your brain to form a robot, to get benefit of speedy execution.


FxMasterGuru (FxMasterGuru)
Oct 29 2016 at 00:57
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Janeo posted:
Robotic and manual trading both has their own significance. Robotic trading is always disciplined and without any emotions. A robot is never tired and he can look into bunch of currencies at single point of time but where a robot lacks is he can't react based on change in fundamentals unexpectedly. Moreover a robot doesn't have brain. Input provided by you would be the only way of its functioning. So put your brain to form a robot, to get benefit of speedy execution.



Fully agree with the above. Toxic emotions (greed and fear) and lack of discipline usually destroy even the best manual traders. So the 'only' problem with robots is not being able to react to unexpected change in fundamentals.

Hmmm... In this case how about letting the robot trade only the most quiet 3 hours: the pre-Tokyo hours, when the statistical chance of unexpected changes in fundamentals is close to zero...? Curious? Then check out the results of 3 live accounts in my profile...

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Carlos (CarlosMZ)
Nov 01 2016 at 07:32
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Janeo posted:
Robotic and manual trading both has their own significance. Robotic trading is always disciplined and without any emotions. A robot is never tired and he can look into bunch of currencies at single point of time but where a robot lacks is he can't react based on change in fundamentals unexpectedly. Moreover a robot doesn't have brain. Input provided by you would be the only way of its functioning. So put your brain to form a robot, to get benefit of speedy execution.



Also agree! Both are important and I personally like to get my hands dirty and repair my car when something breaks. Same with the trading - there are moment when you need to step in and do the thing. Also the monitoring and diagnostics are important human capabilities. 😄

FxMasterGuru (FxMasterGuru)
Nov 02 2016 at 02:52
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You are right Carlos, if one has the ability to remain cool in the decisive moments and make the right choices:

1. Hold...?
2. Liquidate...?
3. Add...?
4. And when to do that...?

Even after reading numerous trading psychology books, I had to come to the conclusion that when I see 3-digit profits and losses vibrating on my platform, I just cannot make the right deicision. (Although I am OK handling two-digit vibrations on the P&L, but I would not make a living from such conservative trades.)

So I have become a 'Robo Trader' as reflected by my Avatar picture on the left. Since then trading has become much less stressful and I sleep better.

Also, it is a great feeling making profits while sleeping... 😄

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Gabriel (GFernandez78)
Nov 02 2016 at 07:38
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CarlosMZ posted:
Janeo posted:
Robotic and manual trading both has their own significance. Robotic trading is always disciplined and without any emotions. A robot is never tired and he can look into bunch of currencies at single point of time but where a robot lacks is he can't react based on change in fundamentals unexpectedly. Moreover a robot doesn't have brain. Input provided by you would be the only way of its functioning. So put your brain to form a robot, to get benefit of speedy execution.



Also agree! Both are important and I personally like to get my hands dirty and repair my car when something breaks. Same with the trading - there are moment when you need to step in and do the thing. Also the monitoring and diagnostics are important human capabilities. 😄


I hope you don't get into the dirt quite often 😉

Trading is like football - if you don't practice you can't win the game!
garjus
Nov 03 2016 at 06:25
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georgepalaganas posted:
What's the ideal trading system, 100% Robotic or Manual?

A hybrid approach works well for me. I hedge correlated currency pairs so I let an EA do the number crunching and order management, whilst I focus on best correlated pairs to trade and enter this info manually.

Gabriel (GFernandez78)
Nov 04 2016 at 09:04
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garjus posted:
georgepalaganas posted:
What's the ideal trading system, 100% Robotic or Manual?

A hybrid approach works well for me. I hedge correlated currency pairs so I let an EA do the number crunching and order management, whilst I focus on best correlated pairs to trade and enter this info manually.


Do you use specific indicators for analysing the correlations between the markets? You do this fully manual or also program some rules in the EA?

Trading is like football - if you don't practice you can't win the game!
Gabriel (GFernandez78)
Nov 04 2016 at 09:04
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topcrossfx posted:
As of now, I do all my trades manually but good EA accompanied with good understanding of the market can be profitable too 😄


Do you plan to program your own EA in the future to support your manual trading?

Trading is like football - if you don't practice you can't win the game!
garjus
Nov 04 2016 at 20:57
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GFernandez78 posted:
garjus posted:
georgepalaganas posted:
What's the ideal trading system, 100% Robotic or Manual?

A hybrid approach works well for me. I hedge correlated currency pairs so I let an EA do the number crunching and order management, whilst I focus on best correlated pairs to trade and enter this info manually.


Do you use specific indicators for analysing the correlations between the markets? You do this fully manual or also program some rules in the EA?

I have an indicator that calculates correlation coefficients in real-time, with the results displayed on the chart. I prefer to select from the list and enter details to the EA manually, as this helps me screen-out duplicates, etc.

Carlos (CarlosMZ)
Nov 11 2016 at 08:51
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GFernandez78 posted:
CarlosMZ posted:
Janeo posted:
Robotic and manual trading both has their own significance. Robotic trading is always disciplined and without any emotions. A robot is never tired and he can look into bunch of currencies at single point of time but where a robot lacks is he can't react based on change in fundamentals unexpectedly. Moreover a robot doesn't have brain. Input provided by you would be the only way of its functioning. So put your brain to form a robot, to get benefit of speedy execution.



Also agree! Both are important and I personally like to get my hands dirty and repair my car when something breaks. Same with the trading - there are moment when you need to step in and do the thing. Also the monitoring and diagnostics are important human capabilities. 😄


I hope you don't get into the dirt quite often 😉


hahah, well, it depends how often! 😁

Carlos (CarlosMZ)
Nov 11 2016 at 08:51
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fabritzio posted:
georgepalaganas posted:
What's the ideal trading system, 100% Robotic or Manual?


I think that depends on the strategy.Both have pro and cons.😐


the pros and cons were presented very good in this discussion.

VickyJones
Nov 15 2016 at 16:03
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I suppose robotic trading requires strong programming skills and could be suitable only for some traders.

janettte
Nov 21 2016 at 15:59
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VickyJones posted:
I suppose robotic trading requires strong programming skills and could be suitable only for some traders.


I don't know much about programming EAs and prefer manual trading as it keeps me in control.

Matt (BluePanther)
Nov 21 2016 at 19:06
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georgepalaganas posted:
What's the ideal trading system, 100% Robotic or Manual?


100% automatic for me. I try and fail when it comes to manual trading. Robots have consistency - either consistently winning or consistently losing, but more consistency than me! 😝

Manual trading gets me stressed. I hate making the decisions. I need to spend my time enjoying the money, rather than watching the markets and managing positions.

The question is: can you achieve consistent returns manually? A robot can. Robots beat humans in speed and accuracy.


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FxMasterGuru (FxMasterGuru)
Nov 22 2016 at 07:23
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@BluePanther

I agree with you about robots beating humans in consistency and making unemotional decisions. There is nothing better than beating the markets while sleeping... 😁

You are showing a nice gain for one day on the enclosed screenshot, but would you mind pasting the link of the real account you referred to as 'I need to spend my time enjoying the money, rather than watching the markets and managing positions.'...?

You know, the one from which you regularly withdraw the money to enjoy.

It would be great to see the consistent profits and those nice chunks of regular withdrawals.

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Mitchel (mitchel14)
Nov 22 2016 at 07:31
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I think both can be profitable.
Require effort, dedication, strategy.

FxMasterGuru (FxMasterGuru)
Nov 22 2016 at 09:32
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If you had your nerves made of titanium enforced steel... Yes, manual trading could be better than EAs as the subconscious might 'notice' some subtle signs of impending changes which a 'robot' cannot sense. Of course, after spending the mandatory 10,000 hours screen time to 'teach' the subconscious... (Malcolm Gladwell's bestseller: ''The Outliers'')

But the real question is: Who has those titanium nerves when 4-5 digit profits and losses are flickering on the screen...?

(Hint: It is not the same with demo, cent accounts and not even with 2-3 digits flickerings on a real account... If you ever get there you shall know and remember...)

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Matt (BluePanther)
Nov 22 2016 at 09:41
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FxMasterGuru posted:
@BluePanther

I agree with you about robots beating humans in consistency and making unemotional decisions. There is nothing better than beating the markets while sleeping... 😁

You are showing a nice gain for one day on the enclosed screenshot, but would you mind pasting the link of the real account you referred to as 'I need to spend my time enjoying the money, rather than watching the markets and managing positions.'...?

You know, the one from which you regularly withdraw the money to enjoy.

It would be great to see the consistent profits and those nice chunks of regular withdrawals.


Let's be honest: that's my ULTIMATE GOAL. I have not achieved this goal ...yet. Therefore it would be pointless sharing my personal account right now.

However, I can share an account which is not mine to prove my point. This is not my account, ergo I do not have full disclosure privileges.

It is not a question of 'if' a holy grail can be created, it is only a question of 'when'. In a similar concept of the 'hundredth-monkey effect', there exists a 'hundredth-EA effect'. Financial freedom has been achieved. Find a successful person and do what they do.

In time I can vouch for that. Of course, feel free to believe what you want.

'Where there's a will, there's a way.'

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Duncan (holdend)
Nov 22 2016 at 11:18
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@BluePanther You mentioned that you hate making decisions but I would add that creating the EA with all its settings is critical decision making process. In fact, it could be even more stressful to always monitor it and adjust it to match the ever changing market conditions. So I would not say that robotic trading will relieve you from the stress but it is true that it reduces the time spent in front of charts. I think also that there is no EA that can be profitable in long term without any single update.
There were opinions about hybrid systems that seem logic to me 😄

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