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FRWC - Fusion V - Alpari (Od stevetrade)
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FRWC - Fusion V - Alpari diskuse
Členem od Aug 19, 2009
19 příspěvků
Mar 04, 2010 at 20:35
I been testing EAs for over 2 years, and I can notice FRWC was a crap all around. HIRIDER the only one worth may blow your account at sometime. I said this in the beggining of this discussion, was better to go to Las VEgas and play with 1000usd in the casino.
Enjoy every next minute that comes in your life!
Členem od Dec 28, 2009
54 příspěvků
Mar 04, 2010 at 23:09
i dunno if it's appropriated but hackers attacks cld kill em nicely :) my respect if they honour the refund..
Členem od Sep 22, 2009
4 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 00:48
I just received a mail from FRWC stating they will stop selling their EA starting from today 5 March 23:59
Main reason given is to focus on client support.
Is that a real concern for them or an other marketing trick?
Main reason given is to focus on client support.
Is that a real concern for them or an other marketing trick?
Členem od Feb 25, 2010
95 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 01:01
(Upravené Mar 05, 2010 at 01:01)
irbis posted:
Guys if we all make complaint..banks will be awared of that.. and maybe the refund will come... but strange anyway... prepare your lawyers or some hackers (i will blow their website and FAP's website also if they dont refund...)
Now about systems: Fusion sucks both versions... LMD sucks... Hirider the most profitable (only for a 10k account!!!!) ...
Now take a look at my poor DB+IL system how much it makes...
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/irbis/ildb/19927
i dunno if it's appropriated but hackers attacks cld kill em nicely :) my respect if they honour the refund..
You do realise that what you posted can in some countries constitute a prosecutable offense, right? Plus that it paints your character in a very unflattering light.
Most of you appear to expect instant results, and I don't blame you for taking in all the marketing spiel. But let your analysis of the trades speak for themselves before crying for blood.
You've only tested for 2 weeks, and unfortunately on recommended parameters that are less than ideal. Put some effort in and work out how to maximise your money spent and tweak the parameters. And give your recommendations/observations. Fusion is a tool for your work. You don't buy a power drill and expect it to build your house for you.
Členem od Sep 04, 2009
849 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 01:19
..but i expect from an 1000 bucks power drill to work flawlessly right from the beginning LOL
Členem od Feb 24, 2010
58 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 06:23
According to FRWC customer service, the 30 days refund starts from purchase date not demo date. So it should be 30 calendar days, not 4 weeks.
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>>So the 30 Days starts from date of purchase
Yes
Regards,
Anny
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
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Ticket ID: RWU-406928
Department: +Refund Requests
Priority: High
Status: Waiting
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>>So the 30 Days starts from date of purchase
Yes
Regards,
Anny
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
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Ticket ID: RWU-406928
Department: +Refund Requests
Priority: High
Status: Waiting
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
6 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 08:38
I also received the e-mail from FRWC with development updates on the new Fusion V 121. Surely SV must have traded with fixed SL and TP in the competition otherwise it would have blown up or was he just VERY VERY lucky? No default settings are given in the update. Has anyone tested or worked out what these parameters should be?
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
6 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 10:02
The SupportSuit at FRWC said that the default SL and TP in SV are false and EA will close trades according to its own inner indicators. One must set your own SL and TP parameters (which are both open in the settings) or leave it as per default in the "new" Fusion. I think this is not very helpfull at all.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Členem od Dec 28, 2009
54 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 11:10
here is my new demo http://www.myfxbook.com/members/irbis/fusion3knewdemo1/19648
standard settings... still positive but it's just peanuts.. compared to my other systems...
standard settings... still positive but it's just peanuts.. compared to my other systems...
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
50 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 11:15
(Upravené Mar 05, 2010 at 11:40)
If you come in here defending FRWC, guess what?
You have immediately illegitimized anything you have
to say. Again, it is painfully obvious that Fusion is
pure crap. And again, it does not take 30 days
to ascertain this. Actually, it only takes one week
to realize this. Not even 2 weeks is necessary.
Look at it again... LMD is pure and utter crap.
More so because not one single parameter is
under our control. I still scratch my head at
their SL and TP logic. I don't understand why
some people come in here and say this has to
be optimized for weeks and months? Stop blaming
and chastising the consumer already! Unless you
can guarantee that people will get their refunds.
Oh, and I was told it has nothing to do with purchase date.
You have to demo it for 30 days. So you bought it
30 days ago but demo shows 15 days, you will not get
a refund. I told you they are going to throw out
conflicting crap to people. At the 60 days end, they
may say to you, sorry... your demo should have been
running on defaults and on our IB competition platform.
Oh, and everyone should go to ticket and send this question
off.
Thanks but I want to get something
straight.
Is the refund 30 days from purchase
date or it has to be demo-ed for
30 trading days? Thank you.
--- then see if we all get a consistent same answer
or something different from everyone.
And and this stage, after fully realizing that Fusion
sucks... making sure people will get a refund is more
important than sitting around and optimizing this
for 6 months. OK? Enough talk of optimizing this
pure crap. LMD would have had its ass handed to
its Croatian programmer had HiRider even just traded
fixed lot of .1 where LMD was using money management.
HiRider would have made well over $8,000 easily
beating the crap out of LMD without even coming
close to blowing the account since HiRider's drawdown
was also significantly lower than LMD.
You have immediately illegitimized anything you have
to say. Again, it is painfully obvious that Fusion is
pure crap. And again, it does not take 30 days
to ascertain this. Actually, it only takes one week
to realize this. Not even 2 weeks is necessary.
Look at it again... LMD is pure and utter crap.
More so because not one single parameter is
under our control. I still scratch my head at
their SL and TP logic. I don't understand why
some people come in here and say this has to
be optimized for weeks and months? Stop blaming
and chastising the consumer already! Unless you
can guarantee that people will get their refunds.
Oh, and I was told it has nothing to do with purchase date.
You have to demo it for 30 days. So you bought it
30 days ago but demo shows 15 days, you will not get
a refund. I told you they are going to throw out
conflicting crap to people. At the 60 days end, they
may say to you, sorry... your demo should have been
running on defaults and on our IB competition platform.
Oh, and everyone should go to ticket and send this question
off.
Thanks but I want to get something
straight.
Is the refund 30 days from purchase
date or it has to be demo-ed for
30 trading days? Thank you.
--- then see if we all get a consistent same answer
or something different from everyone.
And and this stage, after fully realizing that Fusion
sucks... making sure people will get a refund is more
important than sitting around and optimizing this
for 6 months. OK? Enough talk of optimizing this
pure crap. LMD would have had its ass handed to
its Croatian programmer had HiRider even just traded
fixed lot of .1 where LMD was using money management.
HiRider would have made well over $8,000 easily
beating the crap out of LMD without even coming
close to blowing the account since HiRider's drawdown
was also significantly lower than LMD.
Dukascopy rules !!!
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
50 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 11:45
As you can tell, even their customer service support
do not have their acts together. Conflicting refund
policy is abound clearly depending who answers your
ticket.
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Trade ANY of the FRWC's Royal Trader robots on a DEMO account
(they are FREE to open with any FX broker) or live account, as you wish, for 30 days.
If you are not happy with the results, NO MATTER what they are, send us your account
statement within 60 days of purchasing and we will give you a FULL refund - no questions asked.
We do not want your money if you are not happy with the product!
Regards,
Andrew
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
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Ticket ID: MDU-187815
Department: Fusion
Priority: Emergency
Status: Waiting
do not have their acts together. Conflicting refund
policy is abound clearly depending who answers your
ticket.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Trade ANY of the FRWC's Royal Trader robots on a DEMO account
(they are FREE to open with any FX broker) or live account, as you wish, for 30 days.
If you are not happy with the results, NO MATTER what they are, send us your account
statement within 60 days of purchasing and we will give you a FULL refund - no questions asked.
We do not want your money if you are not happy with the product!
Regards,
Andrew
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: MDU-187815
Department: Fusion
Priority: Emergency
Status: Waiting
Dukascopy rules !!!
Členem od Dec 28, 2009
54 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 12:21
chat history with em
frwc: We need your 30 days trading history to analyze it and make a statistics.
me: ok but if I have already blown the demo, then it will be 45 days?
me: you understand, what i m saying? i think it's your problem about statistics, im not your tester, you know what i mean. + you said no question asked full refund, so how we do now?
frwc: Yes.
frwc: You'll have to wait 30 days more.
me: And then again it will be in blown in 15 days..then again and again? are you kidding me?
frwc: If it will be blown, send us your statistics from both accounts.
me: ok so it comes like that: 15 days +15 days (if blown) or 15days + 30days right?
frwc: If it will be blown for the second time, send us it's history with a history of your previous account, otherwise, wait for a 30 days and make a refund request.
frwc: We need your 30 days trading history to analyze it and make a statistics.
me: ok but if I have already blown the demo, then it will be 45 days?
me: you understand, what i m saying? i think it's your problem about statistics, im not your tester, you know what i mean. + you said no question asked full refund, so how we do now?
frwc: Yes.
frwc: You'll have to wait 30 days more.
me: And then again it will be in blown in 15 days..then again and again? are you kidding me?
frwc: If it will be blown, send us your statistics from both accounts.
me: ok so it comes like that: 15 days +15 days (if blown) or 15days + 30days right?
frwc: If it will be blown for the second time, send us it's history with a history of your previous account, otherwise, wait for a 30 days and make a refund request.
Členem od Sep 04, 2009
849 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 12:25
LOOOOOOL they are closing the doors today and I bet they will disappear forever....
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
50 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 12:57
(Upravené Mar 05, 2010 at 13:03)
irbis posted:
chat history with em
frwc: We need your 30 days trading history to analyze it and make a statistics.
me: ok but if I have already blown the demo, then it will be 45 days?
me: you understand, what i m saying? i think it's your problem about statistics, im not your tester, you know what i mean. + you said no question asked full refund, so how we do now?
frwc: Yes.
frwc: You'll have to wait 30 days more.
me: And then again it will be in blown in 15 days..then again and again? are you kidding me?
frwc: If it will be blown, send us your statistics from both accounts.
me: ok so it comes like that: 15 days +15 days (if blown) or 15days + 30days right?
frwc: If it will be blown for the second time, send us it's history with a history of your previous account, otherwise, wait for a 30 days and make a refund request.
This is very funny... sad funny, but funny nonetheless. Utterly ridiculous.
OK, now you know who you are... stop defending these clear clowns.
This is utterly retardedly ridiculous. So, they never had any intention of
a refund just like what we read all the time but never believed... that
Plimus vendors never had any intention of refunds. OK... this is the deal...
So start this ASAP today...
Get a $1,000,000 demo account... start trading fixed lot of .01 Lot size.
Run it for 30 trading days... start this today folks!!!
For additional insurance, save your demo acct# and password.
In addition to saving the statements to your desktop for later
upload when sending in a refund ticket.
We'll see if they run and close doors or not... hey, at least now we
know that these clowns are associated with FAP Turbo guys... if they
run... we could harass them and also harass Plimus to no end.
Remember, we all only have a 60 day window... assuming that they will
even honor a refund. Let's see if anyone gets a refund... Feb 16th was
when people started buying this crap.
Uh, and why the hell do they need our statistics? Ridiculous...
Dukascopy rules !!!
Členem od Dec 28, 2009
54 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 13:32
lol we cld ddos em all? nah just kidding
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
50 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 13:41
irbis posted:
lol we cld ddos em all? nah just kidding
Ya, you can kid about that but our money is
no joke. Now, I did, and I think some people
did one payment to these clowns. But I also
know that my friends and others have done
a two payment option. It just occurred to me
now. Duh. Listen, if you did two payment
option, go report your credit card or
check card lost/stolen and still run your demo.
This way, if they give out refunds, you will
still get a refund without any danger of
being charged on the second month for your
second half payment. Now, if they do not
give out refunds, at least they won't screw
you for another $599 next month right?
Play this smart guys OK? It is your hard-earned
money. Now, I know this and I am sure most
of you know this... even if you do get a new card
any and all refunds will still come into the old card
number since banks have a history of accounts
attached to all of your accounts whether it is a
credit card or a check card. It will still come back
to your account. But this way of reporting your
card lost/stolen, they cannot charge you again
but they can still refund you if they are going to
do refunds that is.
So go report your card lost/stolen, get a ridiculously
huge demo account like $10,000,000 if you want, and
run the demo on a ridiculously small lot of .01 so that
there is absolutely no danger of blowing your account.
As you saw from that ridiculous support chat, they will
demand 30 more days from you. Then 60 days could
run out on you easily. So, let's do this guys...
go report your card lost/stolen today if you intend
on requesting a refund and if you did two payment option.
You know, I don't trust Plimus so I would report it lost/stolen
anyway even if you did one payment. If these clowns cared
about people's welfare in this crappy economy, they would
be more understanding with their support and with their
refund policies. But clearly they don't care... so playing
fair is out. Go report your card lost/stolen.
Dukascopy rules !!!
Členem od Jan 08, 2010
1 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 14:27
Here is what I get today from them about REFUND!
I'm trading on live account and I have steal open trades for - $700
Hello,
I am sorry to hear that. We truly want to help you with FRWC trading.
First of all let me explain the Money Back Policy:
Trade ANY of the FRWC's Royal Trader robots on a DEMO account (they are FREE to open with any FX broker) or live account, as you wish, for 30 days.
If you are not happy with the results, NO MATTER what they are, send us your account statement within 60 days of purchasing and we will give you a FULL refund - no questions asked. We do not want your money if you are not happy with the product!
Also please note that FRWC is closing sales on March, 5. So if you make the refund you will not be able to access the trading package again in future. We are limiting the sales to concentrate on the current members.
If you have technical problems with the software (i.e. installations issues, activations troubles) please let us know and we will be more than happy to assign a personal manager that will assist you!
Regards,
Andrew
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: IKR-285261
Department: Fusion
Priority: Emergency
Status: Waiting
I'm trading on live account and I have steal open trades for - $700
Hello,
I am sorry to hear that. We truly want to help you with FRWC trading.
First of all let me explain the Money Back Policy:
Trade ANY of the FRWC's Royal Trader robots on a DEMO account (they are FREE to open with any FX broker) or live account, as you wish, for 30 days.
If you are not happy with the results, NO MATTER what they are, send us your account statement within 60 days of purchasing and we will give you a FULL refund - no questions asked. We do not want your money if you are not happy with the product!
Also please note that FRWC is closing sales on March, 5. So if you make the refund you will not be able to access the trading package again in future. We are limiting the sales to concentrate on the current members.
If you have technical problems with the software (i.e. installations issues, activations troubles) please let us know and we will be more than happy to assign a personal manager that will assist you!
Regards,
Andrew
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: IKR-285261
Department: Fusion
Priority: Emergency
Status: Waiting
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
50 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 14:33
Within 60 days!
At least 30 trading days of Demo!
Fine.
We report our credit card/check card lost/stolen.
And run the demo in the blind hopes that they
will give a refund without any further retarded
stipulations or rules. We get a $100,000,000 Demo
account and run fixed lot of .01. Fine.
At least they won't get a chance to charge you
again if you opted for two payment option. Or
if you do not trust them or Plimus.
Dukascopy rules !!!
Členem od Feb 24, 2010
58 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 14:36
If the account blew up, we can continue trading the same account till the 30 days are up, no need to restart a new account. The reply from FRWC as shown below.
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Hi, as we could see you've experienced huge loses because of Straasha strategy.
We can recommend you to set turn it to false and continue trading to see for the better results.
Regards,
Jake
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
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Ticket ID: RWU-406928
Department: +Refund Requests
Priority: High
Status: Waiting
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Hi, as we could see you've experienced huge loses because of Straasha strategy.
We can recommend you to set turn it to false and continue trading to see for the better results.
Regards,
Jake
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: RWU-406928
Department: +Refund Requests
Priority: High
Status: Waiting
Členem od Mar 04, 2010
50 příspěvků
Mar 05, 2010 at 14:41
(Upravené Mar 05, 2010 at 14:42)
kelrine posted:
If the account blew up, we can continue trading the same account till the 30 days are up, no need to restart a new account. The reply from FRWC as shown below.
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Hi, as we could see you've experienced huge loses because of Straasha strategy.
We can recommend you to set turn it to false and continue trading to see for the better results.
Regards,
Jake
The FRWC Team
Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: RWU-406928
Department: +Refund Requests
Priority: High
Status: Waiting
I don't trust them.
I already got a $1,000,000 demo account and
doing .01 lot size. Notice all of these support
replies all came from different people. I don't
trust or believe any of it.
See better results? Ya, right...
Dukascopy rules !!!
