gb_high_risk (Od tesla__trader )
| Zisk : | +81.03% |
| Čerpání | 7.68% |
| Pipy: | 16307.0 |
| Obchodníci | 25 |
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| Typ : | Demo |
| Páka: | 1:500 |
| Obchodování : | Automaticky |
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Hi there!
Here is important details for those of you who will decide to rent that algorithm.
I would like to be honest, open and straightforward with you as I do it usually. It will help to each of us do not build unreal expectations regarding future ROI of algorithm and its risks and \ or of our collaboration if you would like to start it.
The first thing is:
!!! REMEMBER: PAST PERFORMANCE DOESN'T GUARANTEE FUTURE RETURNS !!!
That is true not only for backtest vs. live trading but also regarding current live trading results vs. future live trading results. Thus, reading all details here and after for any algorithmic trading bots - keep it in your mind :0)
Currently, I am going to rent out no more than 10-20 copies of algorithm to prevent uncontrollable extension of it, bcs than more traders utilise the same rules than less performance it will bring. Also, this demo will not be public too long to prevent solid data creation for external ML reverse engineering. Thus, this is very much limited opportunity. I don't try to create some marketing pressure or something like that, all this is just as privacy rules to keep good system in good state. Thanks for understanding. Now let's jump to the details.
Here is how things will go if you would like to rent that algorithm:
1) Its monthly cost is 2500 USD which should be paid in crypto (I prefer USDT). This amount will be partially used for rent individual infrastructure for you bot copy deployment. This payment is not refundable.
2) After I get payment, you provide me your trading account credentials. I deploy and setup the algorithms on rented vps on your account. All setups are individually based on your Risk Profile.
3) After that, if you prefer, I may create individual Telegram group for you and me where bot will publish every certain period trading results or ad-hoc events you need.
4) There will be weekly-based profit split: 90\10 based on high watermark by BALANCE mark. This means once the week is ended, I will calculate and send you my part of account profit (10%). You must make the payment before Monday session will begin.
I understand that conditions are strict and not for everyone. But this product is not for everyone as well. Hope you understand and accept that.
From all the above (and of course depends on your Risk Profile), it looks like there is min size of deposit as 40k-50k is required, doesn't it?
And the very last thing, I would like to pay your attention at, is while Gold is hot and some of other metals too - it is the best time to create enough financial pillow for future market state changing. Do action! Don't hesitate!
All the best for you all!
Hi there!
I made some confusing typos in previous message, so need to make some clarification of that. And also, I completed and updated all systems (and rented out as well) with additional position management method I was working on and mentioned in the strategy description. Now it has less than 55% DD and by Balance and by Equity based on last two years HIGH RISK setup backtest. More details are provided below with links on backtest reports - you are welcome to download it and study :0)
So, typos in that paragraph:
4) There will be weekly-based profit split: 90\10 based on high watermark by BALANCE mark. This means once the week is ended, I will calculate and send you my part of account profit (10%). You must make the payment before Monday session will begin.
I was trying to explain simple profit split system where client, who rents algorithm gets 90% of weekly made profit, based on high watermark (HWM) calculations. Once week will be ended, I calculate my part of profit (10% from the last HWM) and will send client that amount, which he\she must pay during the weekend, then the bot will keep going with trading next week. That's it. Client of course is available to withdraw and\or close his\her trading account at any moment right from the his\her broker private cabinet site. So, it's absolutely clear and transparent here.
Couple of details about algorithm trading logic:
This is trend-bias algo, which means it tries to define and catch global and local trends and make trades only along current trends. This means, that max profit will be reached when we have trending market across selected to trade assets. When market changes its state to wide range or even to squeeze counter-trend movements any trend-based bots will get loss. My version of algorithm tries to lose as little as possible. It uses tricky risk management (RM) and money management systems (MM) which has no any hardcoded inputs but only current live state market references: spreads, volatility, gaps and so on. It has built-in account protection system as balance\equity max drawdown after reaching which algorithm will close all positions and turn off itself. If you still have any questions regarding algorithm - feel free to ask here or write me PM through that site.
Now, let's jump to backtest reports. I made 2 types of reports - one is optimised for 2025 year only and the second backtest was backtest with the same inputs as for 2025 but start was taking as shitty as possible for trend based system - end of April 2024 where we had end of previous bull run period and most of trend indicators and algorithms must be overfitted and overwhelmed and such systems with HIGH RISK profile will blow up account easily. I did that, because I would like to show you that I am not trying to make any overfitting of model to reach amazing curve fitting. Couple words of optimisation of algorithmic systems. Any algorithm must have revision or re-optimisation from time to time, than more overfitted algorithm to current market conditions than more beautiful equity curve you may see and more often algorithm should be re-optimised again and again. And in case if account has HIGH RISK profile and model is overfitted any unexpected market movement will lead to HUGE DD or even account blowing ups... My purpose was create rarely re-optimised algorithm, say on monthly or couple of months bases, which is pretty good characterise robustness of algorithm. I highlighted important fields in report and added additional balance\equity curve from terminal backtester that you be able to estimate account behaviour under heavily utilise HIGH RISK profile with only the single asset. Currently bot trades 2 gold based assets and the 3rd is upcoming.
Here are links to the reports:
2025 year
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r1KO4ZKbA5JUn2ju9QRVG-tDRAmLhL0J/view?usp=drive_link
19.04.2024 - 30.09.2025
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Psg0DgSUXMOzjv_yoApSmpJ8EceeIMrO/view?usp=drive_link
That's all for now. See you and all the best ;0)
Hi there!
One good week has ended up and I am looking optimistic to upcoming one.
Real private account which uses that algorithm, but trades assets portfolio with medium risk profile made 8.15% net profit with DD ~1% during this week, which is great from my POV.
Also, I forgot to pay potential clients attention to few key points of that system: it doesn't use any grid system or martingale logic, it doesn't place any both directional trades. It purely trades single direction in short-term perspective which exclude long duration exposure risks for account. Important notice: NO any copy trading, signal providing and etc. of clients account is allowed. If client will try to do that - I will know that, be sure, and have full rights to stop providing services to the client without any preliminary notifications and explanations. I am always honest, open and straightforward with my clients and awaiting the same from them too.
The second point I would like to talk is account size to start with and number example of potential risks (losses) and returns and as well all costs and payment calculations:
1) Min account size for medium risk profile is 100k USD, for high risk account is 50k USD. This is because the account owner must pay monthly renting (management) fees as 2.5k USD without any relation to that month future results. As well, there is weekly-based balance HWM profit split (10% for my side). That explains why account has to be good size - the client should have potentially good room of future returns to cover those direct and indirect costs. To explain it more clearly let's jump to point 2 with number example how things look.
2) Inputs: account size 100k USD, risk profile - medium risk (max balance\equity DD <=20%), monthly management fees = 2.5k USD, weekly profit split 90% client part.
Let's past week real account result: 8.15%
Before that algorithm will be launched client paid 2.5k.
Client's GROSS weekly profit is 8.15k
Client's paid weekly profit split as 10% of 8.15k = 0.815k
Client's costs: 2.5k + 0.815k = 3.315k
Let's take worse scenario and cut in twice and round to integer value (for easiest computations) further weekly profit: 8.15% / 2 => 4%
Thus, during next 3 week (the rest till end of paid month) client's GROSS profit will be 4k * 3 = 12k
Client's paid weekly profit split as 10% of 12k = 1.2k
Client's total monthly costs: 3.315k + 1.2k = 4.515k USD
Client's GROSS monthly profit: 8.15k + 12k = 20.15k USD
Client's NET monthly profit: 20.15k - 4.515k = 15.635k USD or ~15.6%
Can such ROI be every month in long term perspective? Have no idea, but I will do all my best to hold great performance as long as it possible, because I am interested in good and robust performance in long-term too.
Now, let's put a little spoon of crap in our bucket of honey. Let's talk about max risk, which client takes expecting solid returns.
Medium risk profile supposes max DD as high as 20% of initial deposit.
Can be reached through series of losses OR
for example single trade if we entry with extremely huge lot size without stop loss [this is not used in that algo of course and I wrote it just like example, all positions in algo have 3 level protections: individual position stop loss, global account stop loss, master bot supervision stop loss] OR
something like brokerage tech issues will happen OR another uncontrollable from client's side "Black Swan" event. If you are scared about such risks - you MUST leave trading at all.
Let's suppose that client will get that during the very first month of algorithm rent.
This case client's losses will be: 2.5k monthly management fees + 20k account max loss = 22.5k USD or 22.5%.
If client desire to change risk profile (max allowed DD): increase or reduce - there are no any problems - this can be set in absolutely individual manner. But client has to understand, that than lower allowed DD than lower potential returns (because it is all about lot size used for trading) and lower client's potential net profit.
That's all what I wanted to share with you today. Hope this all makes things clearly. If you have any questions - feel free to ask.
From my side - I will keep you updated.
See you and all the best for everyone ;0)
