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PAMM Managers and Investors

German (MelehGerman)
Dec 21 2014 at 14:54
posts 36
it's understandable, I trade at par in a long time,
deposit management is important, but it still does not provide a lot of confidence to investors.

German (MelehGerman)
Dec 21 2014 at 14:54
posts 36
German (MelehGerman)
Dec 21 2014 at 14:54
posts 36
I communicate through a translator Google
I apologize for the error

Pipsstealer (drefhill)
Dec 22 2014 at 07:23
posts 22
myfirstmillion posted:A good manager has to invest his money on his PAMM. If you see at Alpari-forex.com, a manager has to start the account with his own money. You can chose a manager that invest more money on his managed account.
The only way for a manager to withdraw his capital is to close the PAMM at Alpari. I think that this is a proof that the manager is serious.

But a pamm manager can open a PAMM with only 500$ in it, i don't call this investing his own money alos he can withdraw the profits when ever he want to.
Also you never know how rich the PAMM manager is so you have no idea how much the personnal money he has in the account really represent for him for some peoples 10K$ represent a lot of money and for some others it doesn't represent much, also it depend how much of investors money he has, if the money he invested represent only few months of the commitions he get that's nothing. You can't juge a PAMM manager by how much money he has in his PAMM for example i've seen a PAMM manager at HotForex from china blowing up 1million$ of his money in few months then he opened an other PAMM with an other million and lost it in only few weeks, he had no investors, at least not thru the PAMM system maybe the money he invested was from investors that he collected outside the system.
You need to see at least 6months of history on real money showing positions sizes drawdown etc... and know what the strategie is, but so far i haven't found any traders that is really making money consistently and able to show his positions with trasparency and explain his strategie, even if he do it you still ahve to make sure the strategie make sense and trust that the manager will be able to trade the strategie without flaws consistently over time. Basically peoples who make more than 5-6%/months are just beguiners or scammers, 5-6% when compounding make you over 100%/years that's insane returns and make you millionaire in few years only. Trading is not about doubling an account in one months or 2, that doesn't make sense if few months latter you loose it all, tradind is long time investment, only the ones that make small returns (2-5%/month) consistenly over time stay in the 'game'.

German (MelehGerman)
Dec 22 2014 at 07:24
posts 36
I still very interesting
Here's an example: my demo account, it can be seen in myfxbook.
over the past month profit was 270%
I started with 10,000
counts today 37000
at my suggestion investor in the first stage, returned it to 10000 and then shared with the manager at 8500. That is, the investor received a net profit of 85%, it is still the case that in the next month will be a sudden dip in the trade. The investor will profit.


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Top Performer (myfirstmillion)
Dec 22 2014 at 09:53
posts 61
drefhill posted:
myfirstmillion posted:A good manager has to invest his money on his PAMM. If you see at Alpari-forex.com, a manager has to start the account with his own money. You can chose a manager that invest more money on his managed account.
The only way for a manager to withdraw his capital is to close the PAMM at Alpari. I think that this is a proof that the manager is serious.

But a pamm manager can open a PAMM with only 500$ in it, i don't call this investing his own money alos he can withdraw the profits when ever he want to.
Also you never know how rich the PAMM manager is so you have no idea how much the personnal money he has in the account really represent for him for some peoples 10K$ represent a lot of money and for some others it doesn't represent much, also it depend how much of investors money he has, if the money he invested represent only few months of the commitions he get that's nothing. You can't juge a PAMM manager by how much money he has in his PAMM for example i've seen a PAMM manager at HotForex from china blowing up 1million$ of his money in few months then he opened an other PAMM with an other million and lost it in only few weeks, he had no investors, at least not thru the PAMM system maybe the money he invested was from investors that he collected outside the system.
You need to see at least 6months of history on real money showing positions sizes drawdown etc... and know what the strategie is, but so far i haven't found any traders that is really making money consistently and able to show his positions with trasparency and explain his strategie, even if he do it you still ahve to make sure the strategie make sense and trust that the manager will be able to trade the strategie without flaws consistently over time. Basically peoples who make more than 5-6%/months are just beguiners or scammers, 5-6% when compounding make you over 100%/years that's insane returns and make you millionaire in few years only. Trading is not about doubling an account in one months or 2, that doesn't make sense if few months latter you loose it all, tradind is long time investment, only the ones that make small returns (2-5%/month) consistenly over time stay in the 'game'.

I totally agree with you.
I'm working for an hedge funde for more than 10 years. I'm trying to start an alternative income from retail world but I think that it will be very difficult for the reason that you wrote.
I will manage my Master as the hedge fund that i trade. But if I won't reach a PAMM of 1M$ I will stop it at december 2015.
I can make 6% monthly with 30% performance fee:
1.000.000*6%=60.000*30%=18.000$ monthly
I won't do this work for less. I've seen that many of the accounts are very low (10/50k). With such a balance is very difficult to find a real money manager.
50.000*6%=3.000*30%=900$ monthly
My house keeper takes 2.000$....

if something works don't change it
German (MelehGerman)
Dec 22 2014 at 11:47
posts 36
my opinion is that the investor is first important to its investment, and only then as he made a profit on it.
2 - 5 %% a month is not worth the risk in Forex Trading
I've chosen an aggressive strategy that allows you to make a profit of 160 - 250% per month. Then in the fall is still in profit.

Top Performer (myfirstmillion)
Dec 22 2014 at 13:46
posts 61
MelehGerman posted:
my opinion is that the investor is first important to its investment, and only then as he made a profit on it.
2 - 5 %% a month is not worth the risk in Forex Trading
I've chosen an aggressive strategy that allows you to make a profit of 160 - 250% per month. Then in the fall is still in profit.

You are crazy for what you say. 160% per month... Why do you need investors? Start with 1.000$ and you will be millionair in less then 9 months...
Do you think that everyone here is stupid... That's the reason why serious trader cannot find serious investors...

if something works don't change it
German (MelehGerman)
Dec 22 2014 at 14:51
posts 36
I feel great and I know what a geometric progression.
If I can trade at a pace of 9 months, then I make this a million or less)))))))
until one month has passed and I got my 160%, let's see what will happen in the next 8 months
but I started with $ 300
wish me luck))))))

German (MelehGerman)
Dec 22 2014 at 15:06
posts 36
and on the demo account, the robot made a profit of 271% over the month.
The system works, look at how much it will be enough))))

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