Cyprus Regulated Brokers Warning - ironFX

Feb 22, 2016 at 15:42
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RedRhino
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Membre depuis Sep 09, 2013   posts 471
Feb 22, 2016 at 15:42
https://vimeo.com/156281942

If regulations have a tie with brokerages, regulation has no purpose to protect the investor
Membre depuis Aug 06, 2015   posts 12
Feb 29, 2016 at 07:40
Unfortunately, this vid is unavailable
Membre depuis Jul 01, 2015   posts 16
Feb 29, 2016 at 13:13
I just found it on YouTube:
Membre depuis Aug 26, 2013   posts 10
Mar 01, 2016 at 07:21
Hello,

I want to point out a few things in the video:

- Although what happened with IronFX is truly shocking and completely wrong, one can say it is a one off (Its not like every broker on the island refuses client withdrawals and IB payments, otherwise Cyprus would become another questionable jurisdiction)

- Certain points in the video seem biased and exaggerated, and the person documenting the video certainly could cite several sources and information better, and has failed to mention the better points of CySEC.

- Again what happened with IronFX tainted the reputation of Cyprus as a regulatory jurisdiction but its unfair to tar all CySEC brokers with the same brush. There are well over a hundred brokers here in Cyprus and some are even the first players in the forex market, so one bad apple should not spoil the basket.

I work at a broker on the island and you would not believe the reporting, anti money laundering chekcs, stress tests, capital adequacy tests that must be done in every day to day operations of a broker.

Some points are agreeable in the video and I feel for the investors, but remember not ALL brokers are like that.
RedRhino
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Membre depuis Sep 09, 2013   posts 471
Mar 01, 2016 at 11:10
As Cypriot finance minister in 2013, Sarris was forced into a deal contingent on winding down a bank on an ELA lifeline. A second bank was forced to raid its clients deposits to recapitalize, a process known as a 'bail-in'.
- https://www.businessinsider.com/r-amid-fears-of-greek-controls-cyprus-shows-restrictions-are-bearable-2015-6

- https://www.rt.com/business/cyprus-bailout-withdrawal-banks-756/

The issue is beyond brokerages. Its the whole financial sector in Cyprus.
Membre depuis Jun 25, 2015   posts 30
Mar 02, 2016 at 09:50
I suggest any Australians to report this scam to https://www.scamwatch.gov.au The more people who put in a report the more likely that ASIC will also take a look as they are licensed in Australia also. It only takes a couple of minutes.
Membre depuis Jun 17, 2010   posts 25
Mar 02, 2016 at 20:16 (édité Mar 02, 2016 at 20:17)
nickchar,

You comment is absolutely irrelevant, because the message of the video is not to taint any other broker in Cyprus, BUT if you can hope any kind of protection from the local authorities in case of problems. The IronFx case depicts very well what to expect. Cysec fined IronFx with 335.000 (!) money that goes to the Cyprus state and left investors in the exact same place, or in fact even worse because now IronFx has 335000 Eur less capital to return client's funds.

Regulation in Cyprus simply doesn't exist.
Membre depuis Aug 26, 2013   posts 10
Mar 03, 2016 at 11:44
@bladerunner ''Regulation in Cyprus simply doesn't exist.''

Now come on, you come forward with comments like that which are simply untrue and unsubstantiated. I would be very happy to pm you all the reporting standards and procedures a broker undertakes to the regulator, not to mention all the other regulatory bodies that are constantly liaising with CySEC to better streamline the regulatory aspects in trading, especially for the retail clients (Believe it or not higher protection is afforded to the retail client compared to the institutional one)
Membre depuis Jun 17, 2010   posts 25
Mar 03, 2016 at 11:47 (édité Mar 03, 2016 at 11:48)
And what has all that meant to IronFx retail clients ? After more than one year of funds confiscated ? I'm interested in the result, not in the process.
Membre depuis Jun 17, 2010   posts 25
Mar 03, 2016 at 11:50 (édité Mar 03, 2016 at 11:53)
By the way, what part of what I said is untrue and unsubstantiated ?? 😁
Membre depuis Jan 28, 2016   posts 14
Mar 10, 2016 at 07:21
Thanks for movie and your thoughts, nice to know it
Membre depuis Mar 14, 2016   posts 11
Mar 15, 2016 at 07:23
As my knowledge, Cysec has too many loopholes! Brokers with only Cysec as their regulator needs to watch out, do not trade with them!!!
Most of the reliable brokers (excluding USA) either have ASIC/FSP.
But as we know, all brokers have bad record regarding to fund withdrawal, but most of the time is because traders violated against the account type they open.
Membre depuis Jan 28, 2016   posts 14
Mar 18, 2016 at 22:21
WilsonWang posted:
As my knowledge, Cysec has too many loopholes! Brokers with only Cysec as their regulator needs to watch out, do not trade with them!!!
Most of the reliable brokers (excluding USA) either have ASIC/FSP.
But as we know, all brokers have bad record regarding to fund withdrawal, but most of the time is because traders violated against the account type they open.

Rather serious thing... Can I know from which sources you know it? Thank you inadvance and would be nice to learn it
Membre depuis Jan 07, 2016   posts 86
Mar 20, 2016 at 07:16
No matter how CySEC changed, I still personally prefere FCA or ASIC...
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Membre depuis Mar 14, 2016   posts 11
Mar 21, 2016 at 07:17
AziH posted:
WilsonWang posted:
As my knowledge, Cysec has too many loopholes! Brokers with only Cysec as their regulator needs to watch out, do not trade with them!!!
Most of the reliable brokers (excluding USA) either have ASIC/FSP.
But as we know, all brokers have bad record regarding to fund withdrawal, but most of the time is because traders violated against the account type they open.

Rather serious thing... Can I know from which sources you know it? Thank you inadvance and would be nice to learn it

Good day AziH
I'm working as a broker, so we have information regarding to which regulator is #1, #2, #3 and which is preferable in certain countries. Now personally speaking ASIC is in fact better than FCA, there was a time when FCA was better.
But soon FCA was taking money for license exchange, so if a broker is well funded, they can buy FCA license with money, not by meeting its requirements.
I misspoke about FSP, FSP is New Zealand regulator, only common in New Zealand & Australia.
I'm not able to advertise which broker I work at, sorry.

Thank you for
Membre depuis Dec 11, 2015   posts 1487
Mar 22, 2016 at 09:57
I don't think that CySEC necessarily deliberately tolerates scammers and shady brokers, at least not today. They suspended the license of Pegase Capitals only two weeks ago (https://smnweekly.com/2016/03/07/cyprus-cysec-suspends-forex-broker-pegase-capitals-cif-licence/), so it's possible they've learned their lesson. That said, with their track record, even if they've learned their lesson, it's probably better to put your trust in a regulator like the FCA, at least until they - CySEC - consistently show that they don't doperate that sort of thing.
Membre depuis Jan 07, 2016   posts 86
Mar 22, 2016 at 14:31
mlawson71 posted:
I don't think that CySEC necessarily deliberately tolerates scammers and shady brokers, at least not today. They suspended the license of Pegase Capitals only two weeks ago (https://smnweekly.com/2016/03/07/cyprus-cysec-suspends-forex-broker-pegase-capitals-cif-licence/), so it's possible they've learned their lesson. That said, with their track record, even if they've learned their lesson, it's probably better to put your trust in a regulator like the FCA, at least until they - CySEC - consistently show that they don't doperate that sort of thing.

Yes, I agree, good sign. But still, it will take CySec some time to return back the reputation among traders I'm afraid.
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Membre depuis Jan 28, 2016   posts 14
Mar 23, 2016 at 08:06
WilsonWang posted:
AziH posted:
WilsonWang posted:
As my knowledge, Cysec has too many loopholes! Brokers with only Cysec as their regulator needs to watch out, do not trade with them!!!
Most of the reliable brokers (excluding USA) either have ASIC/FSP.
But as we know, all brokers have bad record regarding to fund withdrawal, but most of the time is because traders violated against the account type they open.

Rather serious thing... Can I know from which sources you know it? Thank you inadvance and would be nice to learn it

Good day AziH
I'm working as a broker, so we have information regarding to which regulator is #1, #2, #3 and which is preferable in certain countries. Now personally speaking ASIC is in fact better than FCA, there was a time when FCA was better.
But soon FCA was taking money for license exchange, so if a broker is well funded, they can buy FCA license with money, not by meeting its requirements.
I misspoke about FSP, FSP is New Zealand regulator, only common in New Zealand & Australia.
I'm not able to advertise which broker I work at, sorry.

Thank you for

I see, thanks a lot for your information. I understand you can't say about your broker, I just wanted make sure that you took that info from a credible info source. Thanks again
Membre depuis Mar 16, 2016   posts 1
Mar 24, 2016 at 06:59
regulation has come to be very important issue in today Fx Markets
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Membre depuis Dec 09, 2015   posts 823
Mar 27, 2016 at 11:29
mlawson71 posted:
I don't think that CySEC necessarily deliberately tolerates scammers and shady brokers, at least not today. They suspended the license of Pegase Capitals only two weeks ago (https://smnweekly.com/2016/03/07/cyprus-cysec-suspends-forex-broker-pegase-capitals-cif-licence/), so it's possible they've learned their lesson. That said, with their track record, even if they've learned their lesson, it's probably better to put your trust in a regulator like the FCA, at least until they - CySEC - consistently show that they don't doperate that sort of thing.

Frankly, after such a failure to do its job, it would take a lot of time for me to trust such a regulator again. It's not impossible, but it would definitely be very difficult.
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