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forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 21, 2010 at 02:42
redline187 posted:
Yonex posted:
It is going to be interesting to see how this system develops. Have you done any backtest of the EA?
If possible, could you please make "Open Trades" public? I don't see why open trades should be private on this system, and I'm sure many would appreciate if the open trades were public! 😁
Thank you for publishing the results of the EA here so we can follow it! 😉
this bots are optimezd for this year not good bots if you backtest more 6 years lol :P
and this botsare only 2months tested on live what a crap
I personally would rather have a well performing live robot than a robot that performed 1000% in backtest with various different ways to adjust to get the best backtest like playing with GMT offset value.
Any commercial EA will have a ridiculous 500%+ return on backtest, but why would they perform way much poorly in live trading?
Feb 21, 2010 at 03:08
@eafinder
It performed extremely well over 60 days of live testing. Not manipulated backtesting. Trust me, I spent money I barely have on this thing -- and my backtesting so far is showing extremely favorable results, and Im more skeptical than most.
It performed extremely well over 60 days of live testing. Not manipulated backtesting. Trust me, I spent money I barely have on this thing -- and my backtesting so far is showing extremely favorable results, and Im more skeptical than most.
forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 21, 2010 at 05:43
(편집됨 Feb 21, 2010 at 05:46)
zornjaso posted:
@eafinder
It performed extremely well over 60 days of live testing. Not manipulated backtesting. Trust me, I spent money I barely have on this thing -- and my backtesting so far is showing extremely favorable results, and Im more skeptical than most.
Hi zornjaso,
Thx for the comment. Yes, I agree with you. My post was actually in reply to redline187 who said that these bots are not good if you backtest more than 6 years, and that it's only tested for 2 months live. First of all, he didn't give any proof or chart of his 6 years backtest.
I said I'd rather take a chance with well performing robots in live trading than the typical EA advertisement of 1000% / year ROI based on 6 years backtest. Backtesting is more easily manipulated by playing around with the parameters like GMT offset, risk level, or the data itself.
Oct 28, 2009 부터 멤버
게시물1409
Feb 21, 2010 at 08:47
eafinder posted:
Hi guys,
I have some questions. Please help.
1. The Fusion-V robot is supposed to trade Super Volcano (SV) system, right? However, the manual doesn't say we need to open any GBP JPY chart. Will Fusion be able to execute SV trade without GBP JPY chart open? How about your experience? Do you have any SV trade with Fusion and do you guys open any GBP JPY chart (and what TF)?
2. Fusion is attached to EUR USD M1. But it seems like only HiRider trades with this time frame. If I switch off HiRider and Straasha, would Fusion still be able to execute any trade even though it's attached only to EUR USD M1?
Thanks for the help.
Yes, it will trade GBP/JPY without the chart open.
11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
Feb 21, 2010 at 09:34
Hi Guys,
I'm new to this group. I'm following the Fusion as everyone else. Just a thought. Not to get anyone off track, but the idea that this Ea doesn't do good on some backtest going back 6 years... I believe the market a changed over the last 6 years. my EA does poorly going back that far. So what? The market will likely never be what it was 6 years ago. A lot more volume and trading now as currency trading has explored over the last few years.
So far i'm impressed with the Fusion EA, though i think it would be benefited by some form of time windows and realization that it should take profit when up 120 pips, etc. Also, holding positions over the weekend. I don't like that.
Cheers
I'm new to this group. I'm following the Fusion as everyone else. Just a thought. Not to get anyone off track, but the idea that this Ea doesn't do good on some backtest going back 6 years... I believe the market a changed over the last 6 years. my EA does poorly going back that far. So what? The market will likely never be what it was 6 years ago. A lot more volume and trading now as currency trading has explored over the last few years.
So far i'm impressed with the Fusion EA, though i think it would be benefited by some form of time windows and realization that it should take profit when up 120 pips, etc. Also, holding positions over the weekend. I don't like that.
Cheers
A strategy must significantly profit in a 10 year backtest to have a chance in Live trading - Mine Does!
Feb 21, 2010 at 14:54
(편집됨 Feb 21, 2010 at 15:01)
stevetrade posted:
eafinder posted:
Hi guys,
I have some questions. Please help.
1. The Fusion-V robot is supposed to trade Super Volcano (SV) system, right? However, the manual doesn't say we need to open any GBP JPY chart. Will Fusion be able to execute SV trade without GBP JPY chart open? How about your experience? Do you have any SV trade with Fusion and do you guys open any GBP JPY chart (and what TF)?
2. Fusion is attached to EUR USD M1. But it seems like only HiRider trades with this time frame. If I switch off HiRider and Straasha, would Fusion still be able to execute any trade even though it's attached only to EUR USD M1?
Thanks for the help.
Yes, it will trade GBP/JPY without the chart open.
I second Steve: the SuperVolcano sub-EA is not one of the EA's that relies on the open/minimized D1 charts that I had referenced in a previous post (LMD and perhaps one or two of the other sub-EA's do, however). I can confirm from my own trading that SuperVolcano relies upon its own internal coding, instead, to trade GBP/JPY without the chart needing to be opened.
To your second question, eafinder: the answer is yes. The other sub-EA's rely on both the open/minimized D1 charts I referenced and/or their internal coding to trade on the pair(s) referenced in the manual for each respective sub-EA. As long as you have the D1 charts open that the manual instructs, and Fusion attached to a EUR/USD M1 chart, even if you switch HiRIDER and Straasha off, the other sub-EA's that make up the rest of Fusion will continue to trade their internally-coded pairs (e.g., SuperVolcano trading GBP/JPY, etc.) -- as long as the settings are enabled.
Bottom line: be sure Fusion is attached to EUR/USD M1 and that the several D1 charts instructed are open and minimized. If you've done that, you can rest assured that any sub-EA(s) you disable in the settings will not effect the functioning of the other sub-EA's that remain enabled. Capishe? ;)
Hope that helps.
forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 21, 2010 at 15:08
(편집됨 Feb 21, 2010 at 15:10)
Hi guys,
Thanks a lot for all the answers. You guys are very helpful! A few more newbie questions from me. I am rather new with EA. I've been trading manually for the last two years but I want to get more experience in automated tradings. Appreciate any answer and help from anyone. Please help:
1. I have the free version of AVG antivirus in my PC. This AVG program doesn't let me run DLL files which usually come with the ex4 files in an EA. AVG will mistakenly warn me that the DLL file is a virus, then gives me options to either delete it or ignore it. I could ignore it, but then the EA will not work.
With the free AVG antivirus, it seems that I couldn't disable the antivirus and I must uninstall it before I could run the EA. I have tried to uninstall the AVG and the EA then works. But this means that I am without any antivirus protection and my PC is vulnerable.
For those with FRWC robots, do you have similar experience? What antivirus programs do you have which still allows the DLL files to work?
2. Many of the commerical EAs including FRWC EAs give license to use it on 1 live account and in multiple demo accounts provided that it's in the same computer. Now I already have the EAs downloaded in my PC and I have used it in demo accounts in the MT4 terminals in my PC. If I later decide to use VPS service, I need to upload the EA to the VPS. If I then run the demo account with the same EA through the VPS, then would this be considered using the EA in two different computers and violate the licensing agreement? I am just afraid that the license is automatically terminated without me fully understanding.
Thanks for the help!
Thanks a lot for all the answers. You guys are very helpful! A few more newbie questions from me. I am rather new with EA. I've been trading manually for the last two years but I want to get more experience in automated tradings. Appreciate any answer and help from anyone. Please help:
1. I have the free version of AVG antivirus in my PC. This AVG program doesn't let me run DLL files which usually come with the ex4 files in an EA. AVG will mistakenly warn me that the DLL file is a virus, then gives me options to either delete it or ignore it. I could ignore it, but then the EA will not work.
With the free AVG antivirus, it seems that I couldn't disable the antivirus and I must uninstall it before I could run the EA. I have tried to uninstall the AVG and the EA then works. But this means that I am without any antivirus protection and my PC is vulnerable.
For those with FRWC robots, do you have similar experience? What antivirus programs do you have which still allows the DLL files to work?
2. Many of the commerical EAs including FRWC EAs give license to use it on 1 live account and in multiple demo accounts provided that it's in the same computer. Now I already have the EAs downloaded in my PC and I have used it in demo accounts in the MT4 terminals in my PC. If I later decide to use VPS service, I need to upload the EA to the VPS. If I then run the demo account with the same EA through the VPS, then would this be considered using the EA in two different computers and violate the licensing agreement? I am just afraid that the license is automatically terminated without me fully understanding.
Thanks for the help!
Feb 21, 2010 at 22:23
eafinder-
Regarding question 1, I would suggest Microsoft Security Essentials. It is free and works quite well.
Regarding question 2, I think you will be ok but you can email the admin address at FRWC and they will confirm it either way; I've found them quite responsive to support issues so far.
Z
PS Good thread.
Regarding question 1, I would suggest Microsoft Security Essentials. It is free and works quite well.
Regarding question 2, I think you will be ok but you can email the admin address at FRWC and they will confirm it either way; I've found them quite responsive to support issues so far.
Z
PS Good thread.
forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 21, 2010 at 23:52
Hi guys,
Can you guys confirm if you enable stealth mode = true, then the profit target and stop loss will not appear on the MT4 open trade?
Thanks.
Can you guys confirm if you enable stealth mode = true, then the profit target and stop loss will not appear on the MT4 open trade?
Thanks.
Oct 28, 2009 부터 멤버
게시물1409
Feb 22, 2010 at 09:11
If you set stealth mode to true then I can confirm that stop loss and trake profit will be sent a zero values.
11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
Feb 22, 2010 at 09:53
I use Kaspersky anti-virus which didn't give a false positive on this one. I used to use AVG and had too many false positives including my development work which is why I stopped using it.
I decided to let fusion loose with all the strategies active on my test. May be bad news in the long run but I want to analyse the performance of each individually.
I decided to let fusion loose with all the strategies active on my test. May be bad news in the long run but I want to analyse the performance of each individually.
forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 22, 2010 at 14:56
(편집됨 Feb 22, 2010 at 15:13)
I have finished studying FRWC live Fusion data that they recently supply. The data starts from Feb 5 with a deposit of $1000 and conservative risk. My analysis is up until last Friday.
I venture to guess that their conservative risk setting sets useMM= true since I see various different lot sizes in the data. Granted that the month of February has not finished and they started the live account on Feb 5 (not Feb 1), but the result of my analysis so far is not as good as I'd like to.
On the surface, the result is a pretty respectable 32.63% profit ($326 over $1000 deposit). But the details per the picture attached shows that most of the return is being contributed by HiRIDER (26.4%) and Straasha (8.4%). Straasha however is a martingale system, and most likely you'll end up blowing up your account if you keep using it over a long period of time. HiRIDER is consistent, but that's to be expected with a reward:risk ratio of 1:20. All you need is one or two unlucky instances and the profit will be wiped out easily.
The other two systems LMD and Super Volcano perform poorly in the month of Feb. LMD gives a paltry 0.87% return, while Super Volcano gives -3.49% for the month. That's significantly lower than the 145.6% and 36.25% return that they achieved during the 2 month competition from Dec 1, 2009 to Jan 29, 2010. Theres quite a lot of luck involved in the tournament.
To see the result of my analysis, open the attachment Fusion_Summary.bmp below and zoom in.
P.S. LMD is interesting. It always opens up trade at 00:00 GMT+1, and from testing the past 3 months live data, it never reaches the TP. It will automatically close position when SL is hit or it will close the position at 00:00 GMT+1 the next day at whatever price level during that time.
I venture to guess that their conservative risk setting sets useMM= true since I see various different lot sizes in the data. Granted that the month of February has not finished and they started the live account on Feb 5 (not Feb 1), but the result of my analysis so far is not as good as I'd like to.
On the surface, the result is a pretty respectable 32.63% profit ($326 over $1000 deposit). But the details per the picture attached shows that most of the return is being contributed by HiRIDER (26.4%) and Straasha (8.4%). Straasha however is a martingale system, and most likely you'll end up blowing up your account if you keep using it over a long period of time. HiRIDER is consistent, but that's to be expected with a reward:risk ratio of 1:20. All you need is one or two unlucky instances and the profit will be wiped out easily.
The other two systems LMD and Super Volcano perform poorly in the month of Feb. LMD gives a paltry 0.87% return, while Super Volcano gives -3.49% for the month. That's significantly lower than the 145.6% and 36.25% return that they achieved during the 2 month competition from Dec 1, 2009 to Jan 29, 2010. Theres quite a lot of luck involved in the tournament.
To see the result of my analysis, open the attachment Fusion_Summary.bmp below and zoom in.
P.S. LMD is interesting. It always opens up trade at 00:00 GMT+1, and from testing the past 3 months live data, it never reaches the TP. It will automatically close position when SL is hit or it will close the position at 00:00 GMT+1 the next day at whatever price level during that time.
Sep 04, 2009 부터 멤버
게시물849
Feb 22, 2010 at 15:18
What do people expect from something like this curve fitted conglomerate EA??
Lets face the facts: some EAs got nailed together and sold in a box for 1000 bucks. Made for wannabe traders, so desperate, they buy everything when its clever promoted and called "the best EA ever"....
Lets face the facts: some EAs got nailed together and sold in a box for 1000 bucks. Made for wannabe traders, so desperate, they buy everything when its clever promoted and called "the best EA ever"....
forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 22, 2010 at 15:58
(편집됨 Feb 22, 2010 at 15:59)
pc8multifx posted:
What do people expect from something like this curve fitted conglomerate EA??
Lets face the facts: some EAs got nailed together and sold in a box for 1000 bucks. Made for wannabe traders, so desperate, they buy everything when its clever promoted and called "the best EA ever"....
Not sure who you are referring to. I've been trading for more than 2 years manually and made profit. I just recently got interested with EA and want to find more information and truth behind it. I do think there's a good promise in the EA field even though there's a lot of scam.
EA is pretty new field, and it's constantly in development and I do think people can make profitable EA. It's when people expect too much and don't understand money management that they lose their shirt.
Sep 04, 2009 부터 멤버
게시물849
Feb 22, 2010 at 16:07
(편집됨 Feb 22, 2010 at 16:08)
Be assured i didn't point at u. U doing obviously your homework.....
Feb 22, 2010 at 22:47
Hi Steve, As you are kind enough to demo the FRWC EAs and publish your results which has everyone interested and lots of comments/ discussion, I am interested in what criteria you are looking for before you would consider either putting this onto your live account or asking for your refund.
Also anyone else who is testing out the FRWC fusion and others EAs, what criteria are you looking for as well. I think this would help everyone who is watching the results understand what sort of benchmark/ performance criteria people are after.
Thanks again
Also anyone else who is testing out the FRWC fusion and others EAs, what criteria are you looking for as well. I think this would help everyone who is watching the results understand what sort of benchmark/ performance criteria people are after.
Thanks again
Feb 22, 2010 at 22:59
eafinder posted:
I have finished studying FRWC live Fusion data that they recently supply. The data starts from Feb 5 with a deposit of $1000 and conservative risk. My analysis is up until last Friday.
I venture to guess that their conservative risk setting sets useMM= true since I see various different lot sizes in the data. Granted that the month of February has not finished and they started the live account on Feb 5 (not Feb 1), but the result of my analysis so far is not as good as I'd like to.
On the surface, the result is a pretty respectable 32.63% profit ($326 over $1000 deposit). But the details per the picture attached shows that most of the return is being contributed by HiRIDER (26.4%) and Straasha (8.4%). Straasha however is a martingale system, and most likely you'll end up blowing up your account if you keep using it over a long period of time. HiRIDER is consistent, but that's to be expected with a reward:risk ratio of 1:20. All you need is one or two unlucky instances and the profit will be wiped out easily.
The other two systems LMD and Super Volcano perform poorly in the month of Feb. LMD gives a paltry 0.87% return, while Super Volcano gives -3.49% for the month. That's significantly lower than the 145.6% and 36.25% return that they achieved during the 2 month competition from Dec 1, 2009 to Jan 29, 2010. Theres quite a lot of luck involved in the tournament.
To see the result of my analysis, open the attachment Fusion_Summary.bmp below and zoom in.
P.S. LMD is interesting. It always opens up trade at 00:00 GMT+1, and from testing the past 3 months live data, it never reaches the TP. It will automatically close position when SL is hit or it will close the position at 00:00 GMT+1 the next day at whatever price level during that time.
Try 4 February or 3 february to start , because hirider really messed up at 4th feb...
Feb 23, 2010 at 00:45
eafinder posted:
I venture to guess that their conservative risk setting sets useMM= true since I see various different lot sizes in the data.
I noticed the same thing however I only see the lot size increases on the Straasha system. I have looked over the settings for version 2 but I don't see anything different than 1.1 which makes me wonder if someone is also manually massaging the trades or parameters.
Either way, it has performed fairly well for me so far and I run it along side my manual and old school Forex Auto Pilot trades. In DD right now due to a very flat market today but I can't say that I am unhappy with the results thus far. As with anything we will see how it goes but I am monitoring it very closely.
forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 23, 2010 at 00:58
(편집됨 Feb 23, 2010 at 01:21)
sooner posted:
eafinder posted:
I venture to guess that their conservative risk setting sets useMM= true since I see various different lot sizes in the data.
I noticed the same thing however I only see the lot size increases on the Straasha system. I have looked over the settings for version 2 but I don't see anything different than 1.1 which makes me wonder if someone is also manually massaging the trades or parameters.
Either way, it has performed fairly well for me so far and I run it along side my manual and old school Forex Auto Pilot trades. In DD right now due to a very flat market today but I can't say that I am unhappy with the results thus far. As with anything we will see how it goes but I am monitoring it very closely.
I also see different lot sizes for HiRIDER. Strategy 4 HiRIDER for example have 0.01 lot size prior to Feb 8 and then 0.02 lot size subsequently. If you set useMM=false, and lotsize=0.01, then HiRIDER should not make diferent lot size trades. Alternatively, they could change the EA parameter with fixed lotsize to 0.02 starting on Feb 8 while still setting useMM=false
Regarding Straasha, the manual said the original system did not perform well in the competition but the concept is good and they modified it. So yeah, it's a modified version.
forex_trader_7497
Feb 20, 2010 부터 멤버
게시물50
Feb 23, 2010 at 01:08
okandar posted:
Try 4 February or 3 february to start , because hirider really messed up at 4th feb...
Very interesting. How do you know that HiRIDER messed up on Feb 3 / Feb 4?
I can only access Fusion's historical data from
Jan 11, 2010 to Jan 29, 2010 (FRWC's forward test in demo account)
Feb 5, 2010 to today (FRWC's live testing with real money & conservative risk)
