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Emotion in Forex trading

snapdragon1970 (snapdragon1970)
Nov 29 2018 at 18:32
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Paquito posted:
I have been trading a while and met a pro trader (for a bank) the other day. It wasn't a pleasant experience. He knew so much about markets, economics etc and it made me feel pretty small and ignorant. He seemed to think that without years of knowledge of economics and a team of people analysing the fundamentals it is impossible to make money trading. He thought that all day traders were just gamblers.


Most day traders risk profile would give a pro a heart attack ,its there job to know more than retail ,its all they think about.

"They mistook leverage with genius".
Professional4X
Nov 30 2018 at 10:53
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snapdragon1970 posted:
Why is my post linked to your answer, your talking about a completely different subject.


The topic of the discussion is the use of emotions in trading.

You said:

snapdragon1970 posted:
Its not something that is a must have but it sure does help, especially for longer trades.



You provided no other information in your post, nor did you quote anything that you might have been responding to, so it can only be construed that you were talking this subject. To which I responded they have no place in trading.




If it looks too good to be true, it's probably a scam! Let the buyer beware.
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ForexScreamer
Nov 30 2018 at 10:54
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Paquito posted:
I have been trading a while and met a pro trader (for a bank) the other day. It wasn't a pleasant experience. He knew so much about markets, economics etc and it made me feel pretty small and ignorant. He seemed to think that without years of knowledge of economics and a team of people analysing the fundamentals it is impossible to make money trading. He thought that all day traders were just gamblers.


There are professional gamblers that make good money. They understand the odds, what situations give them the greatest advantage. I'm thinking about games like craps, blackjack, poker, where there IS strategy.

Forex is very similar. You use a strategy to put the odds more in your favor. It sounds like the professional was implying day trading is like flipping a coin. No. Even in gambling there are strategies.

snapdragon1970 (snapdragon1970)
Nov 30 2018 at 12:34
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Professional4X posted:
snapdragon1970 posted:
Why is my post linked to your answer, your talking about a completely different subject.


The topic of the discussion is the use of emotions in trading.

You said:

snapdragon1970 posted:
Its not something that is a must have but it sure does help, especially for longer trades.



You provided no other information in your post, nor did you quote anything that you might have been responding to, so it can only be construed that you were talking this subject. To which I responded they have no place in trading.





 I think most people would come to the conclusion that I wasn't talking about emotions but my answer to the question about econ background.

"They mistook leverage with genius".
KzakSerik
Dec 02 2018 at 08:41
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ForexScreamer posted:
Paquito posted:
I have been trading a while and met a pro trader (for a bank) the other day. It wasn't a pleasant experience. He knew so much about markets, economics etc and it made me feel pretty small and ignorant. He seemed to think that without years of knowledge of economics and a team of people analysing the fundamentals it is impossible to make money trading. He thought that all day traders were just gamblers.


There are professional gamblers that make good money. They understand the odds, what situations give them the greatest advantage. I'm thinking about games like craps, blackjack, poker, where there IS strategy.

Forex is very similar. You use a strategy to put the odds more in your favor. It sounds like the professional was implying day trading is like flipping a coin. No. Even in gambling there are strategies.



Most traders think in terms of individual wins and losses but you are right the focus should be more about probabilities. Trying to wait until the odds are staked in your favour is the best strategy but there can always be losses even in this situation

Arcferreira (Arcferreira)
Dec 02 2018 at 12:24
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KzakSerik posted:
ForexScreamer posted:
Paquito posted:
I have been trading a while and met a pro trader (for a bank) the other day. It wasn't a pleasant experience. He knew so much about markets, economics etc and it made me feel pretty small and ignorant. He seemed to think that without years of knowledge of economics and a team of people analysing the fundamentals it is impossible to make money trading. He thought that all day traders were just gamblers.


There are professional gamblers that make good money. They understand the odds, what situations give them the greatest advantage. I'm thinking about games like craps, blackjack, poker, where there IS strategy.

Forex is very similar. You use a strategy to put the odds more in your favor. It sounds like the professional was implying day trading is like flipping a coin. No. Even in gambling there are strategies.



Most traders think in terms of individual wins and losses but you are right the focus should be more about probabilities. Trying to wait until the odds are staked in your favour is the best strategy but there can always be losses even in this situation


According to FXCM, 79% of traders lose money in CFD and Forex market. Why?
Because trading is about odds. And odds are math, not emotions.

You see a support line in EURUSD at 1.121, and a resistance at 1.143. Prices were at 1.140. You think, prices are going up, let me buy this stuff. Your emotion took control and you saw only the possible profit in a breakout. A pro trader would take the risk (30 pips) to sell this one. After this sell, he would close 50% of his trade at 1.136 (another support), and keep the rest of the trade with zero risk. Near 1.121 he would buy this stuff. If prices brake 1.121, he would sell the breakout.

Remember, 70% of time, prices keep ranging. Trade brakes or bounces. Mostly bounces than brakes. If your emotion, fundamentals and news tell you sell, look for a good support with tight SL to buy. Small SL means that a small bounce gives you 2:1 or 3:1 reward/risk.
In the long run, you will realize that math is in your favour

It is not easy to trade like this. Because your winning ratio will be near 30%, if you use 3:1 reward/risk. But after 100 trades risking 1% of account, you will get 20% return.

Trade safely... Remember, a high Drawdown means a high risk!
snapdragon1970 (snapdragon1970)
Dec 03 2018 at 13:31
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We saw what happened last week when Powell spoke, investors sold USD on fear ,emotions are always in the market , sometimes this can work against us and sometimes in our favor , support lines are subjective ,its what happens at that level is important , math's does work sometimes but not all the time because markets are irrational at times with levy flight.Good money management and risk reward as you have mentioned above are corner stones of professional trading.

I read somewhere that most retail traders get there trades right most of the time it was the money management that killed there accounts, it might have been FXCM report a few years ago.

"They mistook leverage with genius".
Amancio
Dec 04 2018 at 10:59
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What does that really mean when people say 'Good money management and risk reward as you have mentioned above are corner stones of professional trading.' - surely when to enter and exit a trade is more important than risk management and picking a Lot size

togr (togr)
Dec 04 2018 at 13:14
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Emotions in forex make it adrenaline ride, all the profit and losses, all the waiting for the pair to move up or down.
But solid trading should be emotionless and executed exactly as planned. That's why I prefer algo trading and as you can see from my profile it beats manual trading https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr

growthera
Dec 04 2018 at 13:45
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Dear Amancio, let me nuance that a bit. Entry and exit are indeed important, but many accounts go bust having that right. It is important but by far not enough. Without using a disciplined proven and tested approach to risk (including lot sizing, win/loss ratio etc..) no one will succeed for many years in forex. This is the only thing I know for sure besides death and taxes.

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