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forex_trader_186239
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Jun 26, 2015 at 12:54
Absolutely true
forex_trader_186239
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Jun 26, 2015 at 12:54
I am looking for investors.
Členem od Jun 17, 2015
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Jun 28, 2015 at 06:39
There is a line you can cross between investing and speculating (gambling)
Managed FX as an investment should look to return 25-40% per year after fees with draw downs of less than 3-4%
Max leverage used should be no more than 4:1 and a ma of 2:1 is preferable.
Here are the simple sums
Two trades per day average win +25 aver loss -15 Hit Rate of 70%
assume 20 trading days per month that a total of 480 trades per year
per month 28 wins of +25 (average) = +700 pips
per month 12 losses of -15 (average) = - 180 pips
that's a gross total of 520 pips
Assume a USD account trading say EUR/USD and Cable then you have a gross profit of 5.2%
Take a 35% management fee - gives you about 3.4% net per month
Ignoring compounding that's 40.8% net after fees to the client
If you can do that and keep the draw downs below 3%: -
You will have access to all the Assets Under Management you will be able to cope will and you will make a fortune...
In the real world you cannot sell high leveraged programs as the risk element to too great - remember savvy investors always look at the downside risk before they consider the profits!
Sean
Managed FX as an investment should look to return 25-40% per year after fees with draw downs of less than 3-4%
Max leverage used should be no more than 4:1 and a ma of 2:1 is preferable.
Here are the simple sums
Two trades per day average win +25 aver loss -15 Hit Rate of 70%
assume 20 trading days per month that a total of 480 trades per year
per month 28 wins of +25 (average) = +700 pips
per month 12 losses of -15 (average) = - 180 pips
that's a gross total of 520 pips
Assume a USD account trading say EUR/USD and Cable then you have a gross profit of 5.2%
Take a 35% management fee - gives you about 3.4% net per month
Ignoring compounding that's 40.8% net after fees to the client
If you can do that and keep the draw downs below 3%: -
You will have access to all the Assets Under Management you will be able to cope will and you will make a fortune...
In the real world you cannot sell high leveraged programs as the risk element to too great - remember savvy investors always look at the downside risk before they consider the profits!
Sean
market nobility
Členem od Feb 04, 2012
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Jun 28, 2015 at 08:51
@Inari
There is no one single account on MyFxBook (even for 'show') fulfilling your criteria and running at a reputable broker for at least 1 year. Or 6 months...
So such strategies either DO NOT EXIST, or they exist, but only for the SUPER RICH...
There is no one single account on MyFxBook (even for 'show') fulfilling your criteria and running at a reputable broker for at least 1 year. Or 6 months...
So such strategies either DO NOT EXIST, or they exist, but only for the SUPER RICH...
Členem od Jun 17, 2015
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Jun 28, 2015 at 09:49
(Upravené Jun 28, 2015 at 10:01)
Hi @Paracelsus66
I agree - when I look at the individual trades on the various the systems on this site there are very few that I would back with money - most use excessive leverage that will decimate them over time. It's an example of what needs to be achieved to in order to have a smooth and profitable return from FX markets.
The figures above are about averages - the first question is could it be done manually - and to achieve these as figures averaged over a year the answer is yes - of course it will not be a straight line but the ride should be fairly smooth. I have been fortunate to work with traders of a high caliber who take profits almost ever day.
Getting the result on a purely algorithmic system is harder again but an average of 70% hit rate with a win/loss profit ratio of 1.66:1 is not impossible. The problem with most algo systems is that they tend to set trade exits at the time of trade entry, be it on a fixed pip basis or a S/R target or a fixed % draw down. However if the market is volatile and ceases to trend or there is a range breakout then the position needs to be re-evaluated in play. If there a move to a new range then the limits can be extended and stops raised - if the market moves into a range then the expected top and bottom of the range need to be determined and if volatility determines that the price movement is indeterminate then if at all possible the trade needs to be exited quickly preferably with a small profit - so you can sit on the sidelines until a more concrete opportunity presents itself.
Hope that explains my thinking and good luck in your trading
Regards
Sean
I agree - when I look at the individual trades on the various the systems on this site there are very few that I would back with money - most use excessive leverage that will decimate them over time. It's an example of what needs to be achieved to in order to have a smooth and profitable return from FX markets.
The figures above are about averages - the first question is could it be done manually - and to achieve these as figures averaged over a year the answer is yes - of course it will not be a straight line but the ride should be fairly smooth. I have been fortunate to work with traders of a high caliber who take profits almost ever day.
Getting the result on a purely algorithmic system is harder again but an average of 70% hit rate with a win/loss profit ratio of 1.66:1 is not impossible. The problem with most algo systems is that they tend to set trade exits at the time of trade entry, be it on a fixed pip basis or a S/R target or a fixed % draw down. However if the market is volatile and ceases to trend or there is a range breakout then the position needs to be re-evaluated in play. If there a move to a new range then the limits can be extended and stops raised - if the market moves into a range then the expected top and bottom of the range need to be determined and if volatility determines that the price movement is indeterminate then if at all possible the trade needs to be exited quickly preferably with a small profit - so you can sit on the sidelines until a more concrete opportunity presents itself.
Hope that explains my thinking and good luck in your trading
Regards
Sean
market nobility
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Jul 01, 2015 at 06:40
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Jul 01, 2015 at 13:50
Paracelsus66 posted:
@Inari
There is no one single account on MyFxBook (even for 'show') fulfilling your criteria and running at a reputable broker for at least 1 year. Or 6 months...
So such strategies either DO NOT EXIST, or they exist, but only for the SUPER RICH...
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/optimofx/real-final/975773
Caution ¡¡ Forex market is full of scams ¡¡
forex_trader_243290
Členem od Apr 22, 2015
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Jul 01, 2015 at 13:52
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/ExpertProfit2015/profitable-system-expert/1238657
I can manage acccount if want.
Minimium Invest : 1000USD.
Profit : about 50-100%
Sharing : 50-50
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I can manage acccount if want.
Minimium Invest : 1000USD.
Profit : about 50-100%
Sharing : 50-50
Skype : forex2014sistema
forex_trader_229154
Členem od Jan 29, 2015
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Jul 01, 2015 at 20:51
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/miomax/miomax-pamm/1277392
Min. invest sum: 1000 USD
max. DD: 20%
estimated return profitability: 20-30% per month
sharing: 70/30
welcome to my pamm!
Min. invest sum: 1000 USD
max. DD: 20%
estimated return profitability: 20-30% per month
sharing: 70/30
welcome to my pamm!
forex_trader_29148
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Jul 01, 2015 at 21:59
(Upravené Jul 01, 2015 at 22:01)
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as soon as i get my live acc back i will offer this acc here at automated
Členem od Nov 19, 2009
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Jul 01, 2015 at 22:20
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I am trader since 2006, trading Bovespa/BMF, and then, ECN at Nasdaq. Today I'm doing somethind different. I'm developing a new social network website for a specific niche. Our projection are 4.4mi per month for next 16 months. This website will be launched here in Brazil because I've few reports that give us direction where we must walk.
We are needing money to hire services and expand the project.
If you are interested in to invest in this project, please, get in touch. It will be the best investment for life.
Best regards,
Daniel
forex_trader_186239
Členem od Apr 15, 2014
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Jul 02, 2015 at 06:30
What is your real risk per all open trades, if they hit stop losses ?
Členem od Feb 04, 2012
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Jul 03, 2015 at 08:33
fhhamoud posted:
your opinion traders :)
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GOOD LUCK
@fhhamoud
Lets see your account in 6 months...!
I promise that I will look it up in December.
THEN WE CAN TALK...
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Jul 03, 2015 at 22:15
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Jul 04, 2015 at 01:20
fxstaymanaged posted:
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@fxstaymanaged
It would be nice to see some verified performance history (at a reputable broker) supporting the above claim...
Until then it is just "Paroles, paroles, paroles..." as the famous song says:
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Jul 05, 2015 at 06:33
12264 posted:
Good Afternoon All, (AU)
I've been looking into inventing my money into a PAMM account/Managed fund although I'm struggling to find
a reasonable rate of return (monthly) having figures of 30% plus which for me is just to to much risk and
does not seem realistic in my opinion. If someone could point me in the right direction or even recommend a managed
fund you use and what returns you are seeing.
Thankyou.
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Jul 06, 2015 at 07:21
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Jul 06, 2015 at 14:04
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forex_trader_29148
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Jul 08, 2015 at 17:34
