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GBP who blames whom ?
Oct 10, 2016 at 14:39
Forex market the world’s biggest market with turnover more than 5 trillion per day is not any more a trustable one. Recent research shows that the turnover in forex trading has dramatically dropped the last year. Do not ask your self why! It’s obvious that central banks the biggest manipulated organs but also the legal ones are behind the loss of billions.
Starting from BOJ interventions made at 2:00 am in a quite night back in 2011 although that intervention was caused for a reason, the devaluation of JPY in order to pick up inflation. The action took place without any programmed BOJ meeting, or even a prior warning through a media transmitted interview or speech from the bank’s governor. Nobody blamed no one at that time even though half of the trading accounts worldwide closed that night due to insufficient funds. Some officials they said it was because Japan was hit by tsunami during the same day. Others were blaming the system “algorithm” mistake due to lack of liquidity.
Coming closer to 2013 when SNB introduce a flat exchange rate for the EUR/CHF pair at 1.20 as a minimum exchange rate. At least SNB is not taking actions at 2:00am when everybody is sleeping. SNB is taking their actions on a programmed SNB meeting during working hours.
In 2016 markets and traders were caught by a surprise when SNB abandon their program for flat exchange rate of EUR/CHF. The decision was a disaster for many brokers and individual traders. It was announced later that many brokers are closing down and the losses are exiting 150 billions.
Don’t blame SNB it was again mistake of the algorithm system the price fluctuation from 1.20 down 0.90 and back to 1.05. At that time the liability for the crush was given to the liquidity providers (banks) because they stopped the liquidity to the brokers, traders could not buy or sell or even to trigger their stop losses. The result I mention it above 150 billions vanish from the forex market.
Friday October 7th 2016 2:00am GBP the world’s 3rd most traded currency collapse from 1.2630 to 1.18 in general or 1.13 some brokers and even 1.08 at saxobank trading platform. Losses unknown till today.
Whoaoooo…..! what a coincidence at 2:00 am when everybody sleeping when all markets are closed. Can you believe it?
They said the dropped was cause because of the lack of liquidity at that time most probable someone sold aggressively the pair and cause that dropped. Are you kidding guys? Are you serious now? In a 5 trillion market anyone could change the price 1500 pips? Without the help of BOE or BIS(bank of international settlement) or SONIA.
Thank god BOE’s Governor Mr. Carney order an investigation in order to find out what cause the so called “flash crash” or computer failure or maybe “fat finger” and so what! someone will pay back the billions lost at that night?
Mr. Carney’s investigation is spread between “fat finger” job to BIS and to SONIA
The Sterling Overnight Interbank Average Rate (SONIA) was established in 1997 by the Wholesale Markets Brokers' Association in Great Britain. Prior to the SONIA the Wholesale Markets Brokers' Association had no Sterling overnight funding rate. This void created volatility in England's overnight interest rates. When the SONIA was created, it gave a stability to overnight rates and also encouraged the creation of the Overnight Index Swaps markets and the Sterling Money Markets in Great Britain.
After central banks killed everyone they decide to implement new ways more safer for the electronic trading the algorithm system or the computer failure how they call it. In order to avoid again the loss of billions while Europe is sleeping, Los Angeles is drinking beers in the pups and Chinese are shaving before they go to job. Remember 2:00am
Most probable they will implement the same auto closing system that was introduce after the 9/11 attacks when markets collapse more than 15% in minutes. The system is as follow, if the markets collapse 7% intraday the stock market is closing automatic, no more trading. Markets will reopen next day if markets collapse 5% then is closing automatic for 3 days and it will reopen with restrictions on trading.
For now if you still have money in your account for trading, keep trade. I wish you good luck.
Prepared by Petros achilleos
Starting from BOJ interventions made at 2:00 am in a quite night back in 2011 although that intervention was caused for a reason, the devaluation of JPY in order to pick up inflation. The action took place without any programmed BOJ meeting, or even a prior warning through a media transmitted interview or speech from the bank’s governor. Nobody blamed no one at that time even though half of the trading accounts worldwide closed that night due to insufficient funds. Some officials they said it was because Japan was hit by tsunami during the same day. Others were blaming the system “algorithm” mistake due to lack of liquidity.
Coming closer to 2013 when SNB introduce a flat exchange rate for the EUR/CHF pair at 1.20 as a minimum exchange rate. At least SNB is not taking actions at 2:00am when everybody is sleeping. SNB is taking their actions on a programmed SNB meeting during working hours.
In 2016 markets and traders were caught by a surprise when SNB abandon their program for flat exchange rate of EUR/CHF. The decision was a disaster for many brokers and individual traders. It was announced later that many brokers are closing down and the losses are exiting 150 billions.
Don’t blame SNB it was again mistake of the algorithm system the price fluctuation from 1.20 down 0.90 and back to 1.05. At that time the liability for the crush was given to the liquidity providers (banks) because they stopped the liquidity to the brokers, traders could not buy or sell or even to trigger their stop losses. The result I mention it above 150 billions vanish from the forex market.
Friday October 7th 2016 2:00am GBP the world’s 3rd most traded currency collapse from 1.2630 to 1.18 in general or 1.13 some brokers and even 1.08 at saxobank trading platform. Losses unknown till today.
Whoaoooo…..! what a coincidence at 2:00 am when everybody sleeping when all markets are closed. Can you believe it?
They said the dropped was cause because of the lack of liquidity at that time most probable someone sold aggressively the pair and cause that dropped. Are you kidding guys? Are you serious now? In a 5 trillion market anyone could change the price 1500 pips? Without the help of BOE or BIS(bank of international settlement) or SONIA.
Thank god BOE’s Governor Mr. Carney order an investigation in order to find out what cause the so called “flash crash” or computer failure or maybe “fat finger” and so what! someone will pay back the billions lost at that night?
Mr. Carney’s investigation is spread between “fat finger” job to BIS and to SONIA
The Sterling Overnight Interbank Average Rate (SONIA) was established in 1997 by the Wholesale Markets Brokers' Association in Great Britain. Prior to the SONIA the Wholesale Markets Brokers' Association had no Sterling overnight funding rate. This void created volatility in England's overnight interest rates. When the SONIA was created, it gave a stability to overnight rates and also encouraged the creation of the Overnight Index Swaps markets and the Sterling Money Markets in Great Britain.
After central banks killed everyone they decide to implement new ways more safer for the electronic trading the algorithm system or the computer failure how they call it. In order to avoid again the loss of billions while Europe is sleeping, Los Angeles is drinking beers in the pups and Chinese are shaving before they go to job. Remember 2:00am
Most probable they will implement the same auto closing system that was introduce after the 9/11 attacks when markets collapse more than 15% in minutes. The system is as follow, if the markets collapse 7% intraday the stock market is closing automatic, no more trading. Markets will reopen next day if markets collapse 5% then is closing automatic for 3 days and it will reopen with restrictions on trading.
For now if you still have money in your account for trading, keep trade. I wish you good luck.
Prepared by Petros achilleos
會員從Jan 25, 2010開始
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Oct 11, 2016 at 03:28
(已編輯Oct 11, 2016 at 03:29)
petros72 posted:
...Most probable they will implement the same auto closing system that was introduce after the 9/11 attacks when markets collapse more than 15% in minutes. The system is as follow, if the markets collapse 7% intraday the stock market is closing automatic, no more trading. Markets will reopen next day if markets collapse 5% then is closing automatic for 3 days and it will reopen with restrictions on trading.
I'll believe this when I see it happen. Officially, there is no central forex regulating authority or exchange, so the restrictions you see on stock markets are nigh impossible to introduce / maintain for forex (supposedly).
Oct 11, 2016 at 07:57
BluePanther posted:petros72 posted:
...Most probable they will implement the same auto closing system that was introduce after the 9/11 attacks when markets collapse more than 15% in minutes. The system is as follow, if the markets collapse 7% intraday the stock market is closing automatic, no more trading. Markets will reopen next day if markets collapse 5% then is closing automatic for 3 days and it will reopen with restrictions on trading.
I'll believe this when I see it happen. Officially, there is no central forex regulating authority or exchange, so the restrictions you see on stock markets are nigh impossible to introduce / maintain for forex (supposedly).
Yup, it's decentralized and the market itself is unregulated. There are systems that did just that (cancelled rogue orders), this capped the move to approx 6% instead of the actual 10% drop. These are not guaranteed to work every time in all conditions as with stock exchanges, but it's better than nothing.
FX cannot close for 3 days to 'recover', this is currency exchange happening every second of the day, even if they wanted to, it would simply be impossible.
For every loss there should be at least an equal and opposite profit.
Oct 11, 2016 at 09:31
How would you pay a transaction if you can't get money for three days? It would be a banking nightmare, and perhaps even a legal nightmare. And triggering such a closure would have extreme economic consequences that are lightly way worse than the the fall itself.
forex_trader_169700
會員從Dec 30, 2013開始
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Oct 13, 2016 at 07:32
Personally, I blame the bankers and these Algorithms they're making a mockery of Technical Analysis and the Financial Markets. Bankers can now blame Algorithms for rigging and manipulating the market, they don't have to shoulder the blame anymore!!!
會員從Mar 25, 2015開始
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Oct 23, 2016 at 06:10
The SNB and this crash remind again about the importance of portfolio diversification... as always, the individual traders suffer the most.
會員從Jan 25, 2010開始
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Oct 25, 2016 at 03:45
(已編輯Oct 25, 2016 at 03:47)
Somehow I don't think diversification can eliminate the risk of black swan market events like GU Flash Crash.
Regardless who is to blame, I think 95% of traders are looking at the decimation of their accounts and thinking...
Regardless who is to blame, I think 95% of traders are looking at the decimation of their accounts and thinking...
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Oct 25, 2016 at 09:48
I think the question is not whom to blame but what can we learn from such scenarios. I read a lot of comments and think that we need to make sure we are ready to get such hits. It seems impossible to predict them. I agree with the comments about the regulation of the FX market - it is so fragmented and I doubt the big fishes even would like it to be strictly regulated.
Knowledge is king!
會員從Mar 25, 2015開始
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Oct 26, 2016 at 14:16
BluePanther posted:
Somehow I don't think diversification can eliminate the risk of black swan market events like GU Flash Crash.
Regardless who is to blame, I think 95% of traders are looking at the decimation of their accounts and thinking...
http://www.myfxbook.com/files/BluePanther/Clipboard01_p0.jpg
It could be helpful in reducing the overall impact of the event on the portfolio. I know people that got heavily hit by the SNB event because they were too focused on the Swiss frank pairs.
forex_trader_371280
會員從Oct 24, 2016開始
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Oct 27, 2016 at 06:33
I actually benefited from the chf bank when they pegged chf to eur. I was long eurchf at the time and watching the charts. In an instant, price started jumping in 100 pip increments in seconds. I got over 500 pips + in the move then in less than one minute. Thankfully, I was not in a gbp trade when that crash happened recently.
Nov 15, 2016 at 17:22
Quicktrip posted:
I actually benefited from the chf bank when they pegged chf to eur. I was long eurchf at the time and watching the charts. In an instant, price started jumping in 100 pip increments in seconds. I got over 500 pips + in the move then in less than one minute. Thankfully, I was not in a gbp trade when that crash happened recently.
Yes, and some people who were made a lot in the same way you did with the swiss frank crisis. I think it will always be the case. Important is to be lucky enough on the winning wave!
Dec 13, 2016 at 07:40
MC85 posted:Quicktrip posted:
I actually benefited from the chf bank when they pegged chf to eur. I was long eurchf at the time and watching the charts. In an instant, price started jumping in 100 pip increments in seconds. I got over 500 pips + in the move then in less than one minute. Thankfully, I was not in a gbp trade when that crash happened recently.
Yes, and some people who were made a lot in the same way you did with the swiss frank crisis. I think it will always be the case. Important is to be lucky enough on the winning wave!
That is what I think. Many take advantage of the "winning wave", but it is not the fate of small traders. Is there a way to predict these crash?
Dec 19, 2016 at 15:00
tradfred posted:
That is what I think. Many take advantage of the "winning wave", but it is not the fate of small traders. Is there a way to predict these crash?
I don't think we can predict these crashes. It's out of the scope of the small individual trader... But even the big fishes are getting hit by surprise.
Dec 20, 2016 at 12:40
@jamess2 @MC85 @NEEnah @trill12 @tradfred Guys you are right, I completely agree with you that we should be very cautious especially if we don't have much money to put on the table. No way we can predict these crashes, really, it's not our game to do so but to try and mitigate the risks via diversification, close account monitoring and proper money management. In India people often use astrology to do forecasts. You never know when it will work but it is important to be confident still. Wish you all good luck and safe trading!
Knowledge is king!
