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forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 22, 2011 at 13:25
I am cureenly monitoring MDp and fine tuning the SETUP. it is getting better I Guess.
walker
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 22, 2011 at 14:25
guys and gals
I am having alot quesitons about the following topics so I would like to give some information.
Genial Invest;
I have posted the General Logıc of this sytem. I can code a similiar EA in a half day. This sytem looks like great succes.
BUT,
my demo test currently sowing monthly %37 profit.
can you please be more realistic and calculate the yearly profit.
can yoy please calclate the 5 years profit with MM.
5 years profit will be %159673935 🙄
does this seems realistic to you. IT IS NOT.
PLEAE BE ORE REALISTIC. TEHERE IS NO SUCH SYSTEM CAN MAKE THAT PROFIT. IF YES THEN YOU CAN BUILD YOUR OWN COUNTRY IN 10 YEARS😲😲
Math2ca;
this sytem currently on demo test and doing well. this is not magic ball. this also has to be fıne tuned. and must lunch on correct combination.
nothing is perfect. but this sytem can generate cash with hedged trades ı will keep working on that
Scalper.
I have scalper very similiar to FAP Turbo. this sytem works well and will be improved with the grid system.
I have too many other Ideas but it takes time to improve and test. I am working alone and I can not complete all togather atonce.
regards
walker
I am having alot quesitons about the following topics so I would like to give some information.
Genial Invest;
I have posted the General Logıc of this sytem. I can code a similiar EA in a half day. This sytem looks like great succes.
BUT,
my demo test currently sowing monthly %37 profit.
can you please be more realistic and calculate the yearly profit.
can yoy please calclate the 5 years profit with MM.
5 years profit will be %159673935 🙄
does this seems realistic to you. IT IS NOT.
PLEAE BE ORE REALISTIC. TEHERE IS NO SUCH SYSTEM CAN MAKE THAT PROFIT. IF YES THEN YOU CAN BUILD YOUR OWN COUNTRY IN 10 YEARS😲😲
Math2ca;
this sytem currently on demo test and doing well. this is not magic ball. this also has to be fıne tuned. and must lunch on correct combination.
nothing is perfect. but this sytem can generate cash with hedged trades ı will keep working on that
Scalper.
I have scalper very similiar to FAP Turbo. this sytem works well and will be improved with the grid system.
I have too many other Ideas but it takes time to improve and test. I am working alone and I can not complete all togather atonce.
regards
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 23, 2011 at 00:01
(edited Sep 23, 2011 at 00:20)
my forecast for eurusd
bumpy move up to MA200
bumpy move up to MA200
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 23, 2011 at 13:09
I had enter that trade at SOMEHOW and exit with small profit due price had 2 weak attemps then break down MA30 😇
This can go up to my target but it becoming more bumpy then I expected. 😉
This can go up to my target but it becoming more bumpy then I expected. 😉
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 23, 2011 at 13:32
this week was quite from my side.
I am currently keep testing math2ca > I will post the 3 weeks reaults with compare table.
MDP currently is not doing good but I am sure I will find a good setup for that EA.
I decided to improve my scalper with grid system. I will use grid as an EMERGENCY button in the case of price is about to take the SL. my Scalper RR average 1/7 for 4 paris. this morning it has lost a trade and it could be saved by grid easiliy.
when I am available I trade manually. SOMEHOW not too bad.😉
walker
I am currently keep testing math2ca > I will post the 3 weeks reaults with compare table.
MDP currently is not doing good but I am sure I will find a good setup for that EA.
I decided to improve my scalper with grid system. I will use grid as an EMERGENCY button in the case of price is about to take the SL. my Scalper RR average 1/7 for 4 paris. this morning it has lost a trade and it could be saved by grid easiliy.
when I am available I trade manually. SOMEHOW not too bad.😉
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 00:52
3 hours ago I was tierd and went to bed. turned in the bed 3 hours and cant sleep. so back to work until I dead tierd. then I guess I can sleep.😲
I had tested math2ca with brokers
A & B 2 weeks with succes with no comission on both sides.
B & C 3 weeks with succes with comission of 10usd round on one side.
now I will make my last test before going live with 2 new brokers
D & E with the following parameters.
- comission only one side
- order execution speed >400ms <700ms for both
- latency <150ms from vps US
- average brokers if possible mini accounts
First week I will test brokers with RAW execution as I did on my last test.
Other 2 weeks system will work with the setup collected from week 1 data. this can be done automaticly but this is going to be luxury for the moment so I will do it manually.
if this also finalize with succes the following week I will run system on Live accounts choosen from tested broker pairs.
am I too complicated and late about live tests.🙄
I guess no due in the case of a failure on the Live accounts this will bring me too many extra work about the new accounts. So I am just planning future and trying to do things correctly with min effort.
I had already opened new live accounts with some brokers but not fund yet. as soon as I feel ok I will fund the choosen ones and start Live.
Live tests will not be published. I only give permission to some of you to follow what is going on. I never publish or talked about my Live trades in any platform and I will not. It is my money, I am not looking for investors and so I dont need it. But this project is public and some of you will have acces to the accounts.
walker
I had tested math2ca with brokers
A & B 2 weeks with succes with no comission on both sides.
B & C 3 weeks with succes with comission of 10usd round on one side.
now I will make my last test before going live with 2 new brokers
D & E with the following parameters.
- comission only one side
- order execution speed >400ms <700ms for both
- latency <150ms from vps US
- average brokers if possible mini accounts
First week I will test brokers with RAW execution as I did on my last test.
Other 2 weeks system will work with the setup collected from week 1 data. this can be done automaticly but this is going to be luxury for the moment so I will do it manually.
if this also finalize with succes the following week I will run system on Live accounts choosen from tested broker pairs.
am I too complicated and late about live tests.🙄
I guess no due in the case of a failure on the Live accounts this will bring me too many extra work about the new accounts. So I am just planning future and trying to do things correctly with min effort.
I had already opened new live accounts with some brokers but not fund yet. as soon as I feel ok I will fund the choosen ones and start Live.
Live tests will not be published. I only give permission to some of you to follow what is going on. I never publish or talked about my Live trades in any platform and I will not. It is my money, I am not looking for investors and so I dont need it. But this project is public and some of you will have acces to the accounts.
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 13:41
(edited Sep 24, 2011 at 14:08)
Below the summary of 3 test weeks.
as also you can see, while system 3 week avergae target was 2.92 pip/trade and Real Broker Slippage was -2,27 pip/Trade system has used that slippage for its favor and made porfit.
normally the calculation should have been like below;
2.92 pip - 2.27 pip = 0.65 pip Profit/Trade
after comission reduction
0.65 pip - 1.00 pip = -0.45 pip Loss/Trade
but with math2ca system calculaiton happened as below;
2.92 pip - 0.55 pip = 2.37 pip Profit/Trade
after comission reduction
2.37 pip - 1.00 pip = 1.37 pip Profit/Trade
this gives 2.350 usd profit in 3 weeks with 1.00 Lot size %100 hedged trades.
this calculated profit here is ~100 usd Less then published accounts total profit. due I did not take some manually closed trades in to calculation which mentioned in earlier posts.
walker
PS Brokers accounts both are STP. So there are no possibility of REQUOTE in real account.
as also you can see, while system 3 week avergae target was 2.92 pip/trade and Real Broker Slippage was -2,27 pip/Trade system has used that slippage for its favor and made porfit.
normally the calculation should have been like below;
2.92 pip - 2.27 pip = 0.65 pip Profit/Trade
after comission reduction
0.65 pip - 1.00 pip = -0.45 pip Loss/Trade
but with math2ca system calculaiton happened as below;
2.92 pip - 0.55 pip = 2.37 pip Profit/Trade
after comission reduction
2.37 pip - 1.00 pip = 1.37 pip Profit/Trade
this gives 2.350 usd profit in 3 weeks with 1.00 Lot size %100 hedged trades.
this calculated profit here is ~100 usd Less then published accounts total profit. due I did not take some manually closed trades in to calculation which mentioned in earlier posts.
walker
PS Brokers accounts both are STP. So there are no possibility of REQUOTE in real account.
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 14:06
(edited Sep 24, 2011 at 14:07)
BTW with my experience this system can not wotk with >5 Lot/Trade. >5 Lot execution is slower then the smaller ones due the it can travel more then 2 or 3 or more cash providers for opening order in STP/ECN system.😉
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 14:19
My Risk calculation;
%Risk = 1 - ( Average_Target_Profit / (Average_Slippage + Commission ))
1 - ( 2.92 / (2.27 + 1.00 )) = %11 Risk
Comments about %Risk calculation are wellcome. I would like to see your comments, corrections or ideas
walker
%Risk = 1 - ( Average_Target_Profit / (Average_Slippage + Commission ))
1 - ( 2.92 / (2.27 + 1.00 )) = %11 Risk
Comments about %Risk calculation are wellcome. I would like to see your comments, corrections or ideas
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 16:26
Guys and gals,
I would like to warn you about GRID trading. This system is making good profit and turning all loosers to winners.
But Be Careful. Grid trading is only BARROWING money from FX Maerket. then you WILL PAY IT BACK with interest.
this system can be used to save some loosing trades to make winner or BE with a reasonable trading system but it can not be used alone only as GRID.
Soon or late system will loose. What ever calculation you make will not save it from that end.
It can only be profitable if you have very huge account and trading with very small sizes. But at that point you should consider the other income possibilites for the amount of money you hold in your account for saving it from loose.
walker
I would like to warn you about GRID trading. This system is making good profit and turning all loosers to winners.
But Be Careful. Grid trading is only BARROWING money from FX Maerket. then you WILL PAY IT BACK with interest.
this system can be used to save some loosing trades to make winner or BE with a reasonable trading system but it can not be used alone only as GRID.
Soon or late system will loose. What ever calculation you make will not save it from that end.
It can only be profitable if you have very huge account and trading with very small sizes. But at that point you should consider the other income possibilites for the amount of money you hold in your account for saving it from loose.
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 16:54
(edited Sep 24, 2011 at 16:55)
Here is virtuilazition for you.
Assume that price moves against for 2000 pip which is most possible if you look at the EURUSD 1Hr chart.
Grid Step is 30 pip.
Lot size 0.01
Total Opened trades will be 66
Risk calculation = 0.01 * 33 * 2000 * 10 = 6600usd
system will risk 6600 usd with 0.01 lot size just to save a single trade.
On the top of that you should calculate the margin call level for the different brokers.
AND if you are lucky swap will be on your side if not you should also calculate that.
if this seems ok for you you can trade grid. Or instead give the money directly to the Broker. this saves time
walker
Assume that price moves against for 2000 pip which is most possible if you look at the EURUSD 1Hr chart.
Grid Step is 30 pip.
Lot size 0.01
Total Opened trades will be 66
Risk calculation = 0.01 * 33 * 2000 * 10 = 6600usd
system will risk 6600 usd with 0.01 lot size just to save a single trade.
On the top of that you should calculate the margin call level for the different brokers.
AND if you are lucky swap will be on your side if not you should also calculate that.
if this seems ok for you you can trade grid. Or instead give the money directly to the Broker. this saves time
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 17:29
my First review about MDP
I will tell you with which brokers MDP will not work.
FXOPEN
VANTAGE
GOMARKETS
MBT
OANDA
those are for sure.
Fırst 3 slipps no matter what.
FXOPEN sometimes slipps 8 pips on manual order execution at liq. hours.
MBT is then one of the most slower execution has.
OANDA saying they dont use VDP but their order execution is really slow. you can eyeball it no need to count by ms.
there sould be a combination of <800 ms order execution and reasonable slippage. faster order execution does not mean that there will be no slippage. If you read the VDP manual you can understand that.
the main problem is MDP is openning too many orders in a very short period of time and when the price is fast. on the top of that it is modifiying orders and trailing stop chasing after the profit.
when all come togather with more then some hundreds of MDP working with same brokers server it becomes a mess.
so my opininon is using the group orders. and work with most profitable trades option.
MDP BT maens nothing. When BT
- No slippage
- No order Delay
- No VDP
- average tick size is totally different from real data feed even if it is %99 or %200
My opinion is the most important setp for MDp is trailing stop gap! that should be worked on.
I am currently testing it on Pepperstone.
I will share my results here if find a working setup.
walker
I will tell you with which brokers MDP will not work.
FXOPEN
VANTAGE
GOMARKETS
MBT
OANDA
those are for sure.
Fırst 3 slipps no matter what.
FXOPEN sometimes slipps 8 pips on manual order execution at liq. hours.
MBT is then one of the most slower execution has.
OANDA saying they dont use VDP but their order execution is really slow. you can eyeball it no need to count by ms.
there sould be a combination of <800 ms order execution and reasonable slippage. faster order execution does not mean that there will be no slippage. If you read the VDP manual you can understand that.
the main problem is MDP is openning too many orders in a very short period of time and when the price is fast. on the top of that it is modifiying orders and trailing stop chasing after the profit.
when all come togather with more then some hundreds of MDP working with same brokers server it becomes a mess.
so my opininon is using the group orders. and work with most profitable trades option.
MDP BT maens nothing. When BT
- No slippage
- No order Delay
- No VDP
- average tick size is totally different from real data feed even if it is %99 or %200
My opinion is the most important setp for MDp is trailing stop gap! that should be worked on.
I am currently testing it on Pepperstone.
I will share my results here if find a working setup.
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 24, 2011 at 21:59
Patience PAY$$ Off 😇
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 25, 2011 at 20:36
I have analysis week3 data and combine all weeks data togather. Result of that are
- decrease order frequency %35
- increase porfitability %4
this is ofcourse good for both side. less order execution will reduce the poss. of accidently loosing and increasing profibility.
walker
- decrease order frequency %35
- increase porfitability %4
this is ofcourse good for both side. less order execution will reduce the poss. of accidently loosing and increasing profibility.
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 25, 2011 at 20:42
attached you can find the 3 weeks data I worked on. currently I use a quite complicated excel sheet for analysis. as I mentioned before this can be also automated but not for now.
there are some differencies at the data lines due system improving every week.
walker
there are some differencies at the data lines due system improving every week.
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 25, 2011 at 21:03
with new setup I am planning to increase PIP/TRADE from 2.37 to 3.40 including comission. Without comission this will be 2.40 PIP/TRADE and ıt wıll be quite reasonable.
walker
walker
walker36 posted:
I have analysis week3 data and combine all weeks data togather. Result of that are
- decrease order frequency %35
- increase porfitability %4
this is ofcourse good for both side. less order execution will reduce the poss. of accidently loosing and increasing profibility.
walker
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 25, 2011 at 23:45
Broker SPREADONE chat conversation Log
read and FUN!!
System 2:33:21 AM
System is getting started. [Monday, September 26, 2011 2:33:21 AM]
A representative will be connected, please be patient.
Yücel enters the chatroom.
Yücel 2:33:30 AM
Hello walker, my name is Yücel, how may I help you?
walker 2:33:52 AM
you web page is in german. even .en one?
BTW Hı
Yücel 2:34:14 AM
for what do you need our webpage?
walker 2:35:04 AM
for what for I need your page ı would like to offer a pizza lol I wouldlike to see your trading conditions
Yücel 2:35:46 AM
45$ man again I can send you pizza taxi which pizza do you like?
walker 2:35:47 AM
you have language choice eng and ger both are in ger
mashroms and slice tomate please and a coke
Yücel 2:36:34 AM
contact us through skype:spreadone if you need anything or if you have any pain
walker 2:37:08 AM
ı will keep this chat log and send it to the company then we will see who have the pain
Yücel 2:37:38 AM
ha ha ha send it to OBAMA ,Kamerun; Merkel and maybe sarkozy
45$ man allways disturb us what is your main pain?
walker 2:38:33 AM
I will
thank you
read and FUN!!
System 2:33:21 AM
System is getting started. [Monday, September 26, 2011 2:33:21 AM]
A representative will be connected, please be patient.
Yücel enters the chatroom.
Yücel 2:33:30 AM
Hello walker, my name is Yücel, how may I help you?
walker 2:33:52 AM
you web page is in german. even .en one?
BTW Hı
Yücel 2:34:14 AM
for what do you need our webpage?
walker 2:35:04 AM
for what for I need your page ı would like to offer a pizza lol I wouldlike to see your trading conditions
Yücel 2:35:46 AM
45$ man again I can send you pizza taxi which pizza do you like?
walker 2:35:47 AM
you have language choice eng and ger both are in ger
mashroms and slice tomate please and a coke
Yücel 2:36:34 AM
contact us through skype:spreadone if you need anything or if you have any pain
walker 2:37:08 AM
ı will keep this chat log and send it to the company then we will see who have the pain
Yücel 2:37:38 AM
ha ha ha send it to OBAMA ,Kamerun; Merkel and maybe sarkozy
45$ man allways disturb us what is your main pain?
walker 2:38:33 AM
I will
thank you
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 26, 2011 at 03:04
I am affraid EURUSD will break 1.3400 down!😲
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 26, 2011 at 03:57
guys and gals,
after cheking the average order execution times for 3 weeks ı have found that;
order executıon test we have performed to see the speed of the broker with pending orders are not reflecting or can not be used as spped data. it can only show if broker is very slow or not.
FYI
demo
broker A test result 700 ms || execution average result 1217ms ( > 5000 ms filtered out )
broker B test result 86 ms || execution average result 482ms ( > 5000 ms filtered out )
after cheking the average order execution times for 3 weeks ı have found that;
order executıon test we have performed to see the speed of the broker with pending orders are not reflecting or can not be used as spped data. it can only show if broker is very slow or not.
FYI
demo
broker A test result 700 ms || execution average result 1217ms ( > 5000 ms filtered out )
broker B test result 86 ms || execution average result 482ms ( > 5000 ms filtered out )
forex_trader_36599
Member Since May 13, 2011
1329 posts
Sep 26, 2011 at 11:52
if I would start with 2 of Winsor systems the date I have decided to do, currently I would be LOST!
-%87 in one system
and
-%95 in another.
those systems were very profitable. with Low %DD on that date.
fyi
walker
-%87 in one system
and
-%95 in another.
those systems were very profitable. with Low %DD on that date.
fyi
walker
