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Ironman
Mar 21 2013 at 12:40
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Why does he perform the odd miracle (that might not be a miracle) when he leaves all the other things (starvation, war etc.)?
He is not a loveable God, then... he is a cruel, vicious bastard.

No, I'm not Russian, and definetly not communist. I THINK, therefor I'm an atheist.

If you want to believe that a 2000-year old book that says the world is 4-6000 years old, holds the truth, that is fine, but don't tell me that you THINK about it. You blindly follow.


I've read the bible. I've also even read some of the books that were excluded from the bible since it didn't suit the rulers at the time. (The catholic church, that is.)
There are sooooo many contradictions in the bible, it is just silly to even discuss it. Especially at this day and age.


So, what do you have to say to all the billions of people that believe otherwise? Are they wrong? Even if they believe just as blindly as you? Muslims?
And what about all the people who have never heard of christianity? Automatically going to hell?

NAh, this is like Santa. Give us some proof, or it is just humbug.
(And with proof I mean proof, not some corny video of a doubtful miracle or the 'believed' face of Jesus on a toast.)

Ghosts? That is more likely, but the same thing goes there. Proof, man. Proof. Until then it is just fairytales.


C (CESTRADES)
Mar 21 2013 at 17:06
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TheCyclist posted:
At least one of my strategies have no risk at all, I can easily do 30% a year no problem. Which is about what Warren Buffet does.

So if you know what you're doing this is very far from gambling.

Problem is, who wants to do 30% a year ? More you want to do, more of a gamble it becomes.

True, everything in life is a gamble; esp when it comes to money. No risk no reward, if you don't play, you won't get paid. If I took 10k to a casino and expected to return with only 5k net, for me, it wouldn't happen. Why, cause casinos are pastime PLAY, if you do win big, coolers make sure you give back at some point. Trading is an art, and it has it's risks as with anything else. The market has no mercy, it don't care whether you are successful or not, the market is not there to take your money, it's just the market.
The difference being, you control your trading, win/lose, more so than with casinos.
I'm sure there are varying opinions on this, but for me, trading is an investment first, not a lotto/casino. Just like with Demos vs Real accounts. Most investors looking to recruit traders, look for profitable Real accounts cause it means they (traders) have a vested interest with their own money enough to take a chance. I have a real account also, and it's like a mirror of the one here for testing purposes, not something for fun to go ape, guess, play the luck and hope for the best.
I have traded for others based on a demo accounts for demonstration of what can be, not what if, and real accounts just the same. Don't blame investors for needing a real verified vs demos for business opportunities, used properly, demo accounts are a very valuable tool, not a casino game, for custom test purposes when used properly.
In closing, the only things in life you really regret, are the chances that you don't take!
'Live the dream'
C~

Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 08:09
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Ironman posted:
Why does he perform the odd miracle (that might not be a miracle) when he leaves all the other things (starvation, war etc.)?
He is not a loveable God, then... he is a cruel, vicious bastard.

No, I'm not Russian, and definetly not communist. I THINK, therefor I'm an atheist.

If you want to believe that a 2000-year old book that says the world is 4-6000 years old, holds the truth, that is fine, but don't tell me that you THINK about it. You blindly follow.


I've read the bible. I've also even read some of the books that were excluded from the bible since it didn't suit the rulers at the time. (The catholic church, that is.)
There are sooooo many contradictions in the bible, it is just silly to even discuss it. Especially at this day and age.


So, what do you have to say to all the billions of people that believe otherwise? Are they wrong? Even if they believe just as blindly as you? Muslims?
And what about all the people who have never heard of christianity? Automatically going to hell?

NAh, this is like Santa. Give us some proof, or it is just humbug.
(And with proof I mean proof, not some corny video of a doubtful miracle or the 'believed' face of Jesus on a toast.)

Ghosts? That is more likely, but the same thing goes there. Proof, man. Proof. Until then it is just fairytales.



Up to you dude, this discussions lead to nothing so i have to stop it right here, if you don't believed that's your problem not mine everyone have free will ok? lol

Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 08:09
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if you believe in ghost than why you cant believe the opposite from ghost? so you do believed there other beside us right?

Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 08:09
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CESTRADES posted:
TheCyclist posted:
At least one of my strategies have no risk at all, I can easily do 30% a year no problem. Which is about what Warren Buffet does.

So if you know what you're doing this is very far from gambling.

Problem is, who wants to do 30% a year ? More you want to do, more of a gamble it becomes.

True, everything in life is a gamble; esp when it comes to money. No risk no reward, if you don't play, you won't get paid. If I took 10k to a casino and expected to return with only 5k net, for me, it wouldn't happen. Why, cause casinos are pastime PLAY, if you do win big, coolers make sure you give back at some point. Trading is an art, and it has it's risks as with anything else. The market has no mercy, it don't care whether you are successful or not, the market is not there to take your money, it's just the market.
The difference being, you control your trading, win/lose, more so than with casinos.
I'm sure there are varying opinions on this, but for me, trading is an investment first, not a lotto/casino. Just like with Demos vs Real accounts. Most investors looking to recruit traders, look for profitable Real accounts cause it means they (traders) have a vested interest with their own money enough to take a chance. I have a real account also, and it's like a mirror of the one here for testing purposes, not something for fun to go ape, guess, play the luck and hope for the best.
I have traded for others based on a demo accounts for demonstration of what can be, not what if, and real accounts just the same. Don't blame investors for needing a real verified vs demos for business opportunities, used properly, demo accounts are a very valuable tool, not a casino game, for custom test purposes when used properly.
In closing, the only things in life you really regret, are the chances that you don't take!
'Live the dream'
C~


But on forex there is no market all your money is going to the owner of each broker you enter your money in, not the market so the broker just play as dealer on casino. You give your money to buy position buy/sell and you gain 'profit' from nothing just up and down graphics not because you buy euro then you sell it as usd than you get the differences between the two. Its all just the game dude. So trade is not the right word, because nothing you trade for.

Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 08:20
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efata_investasi posted:
if you believe in ghost than why you cant believe the opposite from ghost? so you do believed there other beside us right?


I didn't say I did. I said it was more likely.
And it is more likely that there are universal ghosts than a religion that is right and all the others are wrong.

Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 08:23
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efata_investasi posted:
Up to you dude, this discussions lead to nothing so i have to stop it right here, if you don't believed that's your problem not mine everyone have free will ok? lol


Yes, that is usually what happens. No answers and no proof.
Free will? Yes, if you use it.

Cheers!

Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 09:53
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efata_investasi posted:
Up to you dude, this discussions lead to nothing so i have to stop it right here, if you don't believed that's your problem not mine everyone have free will ok? lol


Yes, that is usually what happens. No answers and no proof.
Free will? Yes, if you use it.

Cheers!

Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 09:55
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Because i already gave you proof and you still denied it so what more we talking here? so how you explain miracles then? you keep saying about 2000+ religions, you know what 2000 religions similarity?
1. There is The One who created this world and make all happen by His/Her will.
2. All the religion teach about goodness for example none will teach you that murder is good thing.
3. There is somewhere we will go if we died, like heaven or hell.

Didn't you found that is strange? why 2000+ religions share the same idea? i didn't talk about christian, Islam, Budhist or Hindus in here. I was like you i was an atheist too but after the miracle happen to me than i know that God is real, maybe your time still has not come yet so just wait, but maybe it already has, and you just don't want accept it or you didn't realize it because you keep using your logic not your heart, God is way too Great for anyone intelligence to decipher Him. But until you died and you still not called yet, so you are not the one who chosen it is simple as that. I think you already called because you said you have read bible so God already reveal His existence to you but you keep denied it by always argue what told to you(everyone get called by different way, you by Christianity because you have read bible) so don't you ever say that God is not fair by not chose you if your time has come okay? 😁

Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 10:38
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Well, to be honest, there were no proof there.

1. So, how long ago? And how did he create evolution (since half of the religions deny it)? Did he create just one planet, or is any other planet in this vast, huge universe populated?

2. You really need to read up on your general religion skills. Some gods are actually quite evil. Of course, most have stopped believing in the evil ones, but since evil is just a matter of perspective, that is probably a fate that will happen to most gods as the population gets smarter.

3. Really? And where would that be? Got a photo? Any sort of proof on that?
Or just blind belief from a book told from mouth to mouth because most couldn't read at the time?
And who or why? Do you go to hell for just not believing? Not knowing about hell? There are many differences here, dude.

You were an atheist? When did you stop thinking, and why?

Anyway, I hope God helps you with your trading, since you stopped using logic. ;)

As you said, this isn't the forum for this, since we discuss things that actually exists here. If you read more than one book, 'The God Delusion' would be a good choice. It'll probably even explain your 'miracle'.

Good luck.

Cheers!

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