Winsor's Five Trading EAs in Real Time

my funds does not interest anybody here including you due I am not account manager. I manage my money. only mine 😉

   walker36 posted:
   if they also agree Remus , Chikot and Will Schaarrand as witnesses

I recommend you don't take this bet, Steve! I don't like how Winsor is replying to the very normal request of opening up the trading history. Why should you write even a 'sorry, you were right' post if he does that? It's your right to ask for transparency!

Just think of the amount of time it would take him to make the account public, versus the amount of time to type all the posts since then. I'm amazed to his reluctance to do as you asked, since in my view it makes him look like not willing to deal nicely with 'difficult' customers. What happens if you invest with him, have a losing period, and ask for clarifying questions, to help you decide whether it's time to pull the plug?

I just read the posts leading to this 'dispute', and what I see is the following:
- Steve asked why the account was marked private; Winsor said he withdrew funds; Steve said that's not a reason to mark it private, account can stay public and put something like 'closed' in the title; several other people joined the conversation and agreed with Steve (btw, I also agree)
- Winsor replied with long posts since the original request, on topics he cared about (advertising his work), and very short posts actually dealing with the request; those posts I read as having an 'if you don't like it, get lost, I'll get other clients anyway' attitude
- Winsor is now trying to make Steve lead an advertising campaign by writing a 500-word post, in which I assume he wants Steve not only to say how right Winsor was all along, but also how well his systems are performing (500 words is a lot...)
- Winsor is calling Steve liar ('not a man of his words'), 'full of it', cheap (as in 'Steve does not have the money to invest in Winsor's accounts anyway), while Steve did not use such verbal aggression in any of the previous conversations

Btw, I met Winsor about 1 year ago, and briefly invested in 3 of his accounts (Haley, Mellisa, Sienna). I happen to catch a very poorly performing period. I decided to stop trading his systems because even over the long term I did not like the amount of potential profits in relation to the monthly fees. I did not look at his systems since then, being focuses on other things.

Those are my 2 cents, since you asked me to be a witness to this bet.

Remus

Remus

thank you for valuable input and the summery of what happened that bring that challenge on the table.
as I have mentioned several times I AM NOT AGAINST TO ANY SYSTEM OR ANYBODY. ALSO I AM NOT IGNORANT.

But when some one come out with a system(s) and says 'this is making money' and collecting other peoples money to grow I surly want see the result.

If those are not ready to listen the critics about his system(s) that already publishing here or any other platform then I advise them to not publish.

I personally coded hundred of systems similiar to those systems here but I know that at some point those will loose. so I newer run on real account and not bring those to the attention of public.

I assume that;

Winsor is going to give here some good proofs that account has not blown.( more then %50 DD is an blown account according to my book. we can call that margin call.)

walker
 

   NextLevelForex posted:
   

   walker36 posted:
   if they also agree Remus , Chikot and Will Schaarrand as witnesses

I recommend you don't take this bet, Steve! I don't like how Winsor is replying to the very normal request of opening up the trading history. Why should you write even a 'sorry, you were right' post if he does that? It's your right to ask for transparency!

Just think of the amount of time it would take him to make the account public, versus the amount of time to type all the posts since then. I'm amazed to his reluctance to do as you asked, since in my view it makes him look like not willing to deal nicely with 'difficult' customers. What happens if you invest with him, have a losing period, and ask for clarifying questions, to help you decide whether it's time to pull the plug?

I just read the posts leading to this 'dispute', and what I see is the following:
- Steve asked why the account was marked private; Winsor said he withdrew funds; Steve said that's not a reason to mark it private, account can stay public and put something like 'closed' in the title; several other people joined the conversation and agreed with Steve (btw, I also agree)
- Winsor replied with long posts since the original request, on topics he cared about (advertising his work), and very short posts actually dealing with the request; those posts I read as having an 'if you don't like it, get lost, I'll get other clients anyway' attitude
- Winsor is now trying to make Steve lead an advertising campaign by writing a 500-word post, in which I assume he wants Steve not only to say how right Winsor was all along, but also how well his systems are performing (500 words is a lot...)
- Winsor is calling Steve liar ('not a man of his words'), 'full of it', cheap (as in 'Steve does not have the money to invest in Winsor's accounts anyway), while Steve did not use such verbal aggression in any of the previous conversations

Btw, I met Winsor about 1 year ago, and briefly invested in 3 of his accounts (Haley, Mellisa, Sienna). I happen to catch a very poorly performing period. I decided to stop trading his systems because even over the long term I did not like the amount of potential profits in relation to the monthly fees. I did not look at his systems since then, being focuses on other things.

Those are my 2 cents, since you asked me to be a witness to this bet.

Remus

reminder 1

   walker36 posted:
   Hı Winsor

22-June, the day we discuss I have added 2 of your systems to my watch list that I am willing to fund


currently they are
Leah Real % -63.36
Jasmine Real % -51.25

if I have fund those with %50 + %50 in ~3 months the average P/L % would be % -57.30

I guess this is a different result what you mentioned on your last post and proof of my suggestion about same type of trades.

walker

reminder 2

I hoe MFB can find out that deleted equity graph that was attached to the below post

   walker36 posted:
   Hı Winsor

Looking macro I agree
Dividing Risk into systems I agree
New entry to a System while loosing I agree

But when Looking macro I see Below. I see one basket full of eggs and half of my eggs are broken 😉

thanks anyway

I wish you luck and good profit.

regards
walker

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Battle is brewing 😲
I personally do not think account has blown but is in some DD.
Agree with Remus about writing long apology in case if account has not blown.

I am really amazed at the amount of strategies/ systems automated.
BTW, what is the difference between strategy and system anyway?

I think Windsor making data private has to do with emotions as it is not very pleasant to show results that ain't good.
Of course if Windsor is looking for clients for this system/ strategy account must be on for all to see.

I closed my account myself as I was bleeding funds for 3 months in a row. It also was very humiliating as I have never had such a long DD.
So, I can related but I am not looking for clients or join anybody at the moment due to family situation and other circumstances but when I start looking for it I will make my account 100% transparent again.

below post from my thread.
at that moment each 2 accounts had > %85 DD
those data taken from Winsor tracked accounts.

at that week accounts stop updating.

what is a margin call for my fund %100 DD
if this is not called blown I will apologies with 1000 words.



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if I would start with 2 of Winsor systems the date I have decided to do, currently I would be LOST!

-%87 in one system

and

-%95 in another.

those systems were very profitable. with Low %DD on that date.

fyi

walker
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BTW if we ask MFB support I am sure they can supply us those 2 accounts details about

-my tracking dates
-not updating period
-what is my track starting date & account balance
-what is my track ending date & account balance

this will give us the idea about what I am saying.

walker

Chikot thank you for your input.

Winsor are you going to join us?

I assume that;

Winsor is going to give here some good proofs that account has not blown.( more then %50 DD is an blown account according to my book. we can call that margin call.)

walker
 

Walker,

I don't think that we have the same definition for a blow account. If you start with $5K and your account goes to $1K, then it is a definition of a blow account. If you start with $5K and the account goes to $10K and then back to $5,000 i.e. 50% DD, this is also not a blow account since you still have all all of your capital.

Btw, I met Winsor about 1 year ago, and briefly invested in 3 of his accounts (Haley, Mellisa, Sienna). I happen to catch a very poorly performing period. I decided to stop trading his systems because even over the long term I did not like the amount of potential profits in relation to the monthly fees. I did not look at his systems since then, being focuses on other things.

Those are my 2 cents, since you asked me to be a witness to this bet.

Remus

Yes, it is true that I have met up with Remus more than one year ago. Per his statement, he used Haley, Mellisa, and Sienna for 3 months. As posted on my website www.ctsforex.com - Haley & Mellisa are doing poorly and all the live trading results are there. I tried to be as transparent as possible. Haley trades the GBPUSD and Mellisa trades the USDCHF. In the past 6 months Sienna is doing well and it is trading the EURUSD.

Remus, you have to understand that we are talking about Jasmine. It does not have anything to do with your experience of Haley, Mellisa or Sienna. Currently, we have three profitable trading system i.e. Jasmine, Leah and Sienna. Unfortunately, you did not benefit from Sienna because you were not with us long enough.

Winsor

İf you dont call %90 DD as Margin Call I really wonder what you call it.

I guess you have clients more then one and they fund the accounts at different time windows. so they did not fund the accounts at the same time when your track record started. so some has uptrend and down trend. some has only down. the luck ones had only up and away.and the down trend accounts are blown. same as my virtual accounts that I had tracked here at MFB.

I have posted my own track records and those are correct. If I would fund your account the date we have discussed I would have lost my > %90 equity. and at that point I guess you would stop my tradings. If you dont call this margin call I really wonder what you call as margin call.
this was a simulation ( virtual ) deal between me and you via MFB ( your accounts ).

as you can see at my earlier post that has been posted at my thread months ago I have also mentioned that your accounts were PROFITABLE at that time period when I started to track.

I am honest and not a liar. I am not against you. I am not against your systems. I have deleted 10s of different systems from my portfolio. I can do it without asking anybody. But you should keep your records here open and transparent. or I am regret to say that you will be called as same as Genial invest or others soon.

I can NOW start an automated account Technical TP SL system ( I can use any of my current coded but never executed systems ) and can get the same up trend as your account had. then down trend ofcourse. this is not my style.

I am not saying that your systems are bad. but had big problem in last 6 months. this means from my point of view they are not ready.

what %170 profit then %90 DD does means. nothing. you borrow some money form market then gave it back.

as a last word I wish you a good luck and good profits.

I am still waiting to see that account has been changed from private to public.

walker

PS : I can be pennyless or very rich any of those situations does not make me good or bad. I dont advise you to make these kind of comments before knowing the person well.

Winsor

does your clients should stay a life time with you to be profitable.

please open the account and lets see what was happened.

walker

   winsor posted:
   

Btw, I met Winsor about 1 year ago, and briefly invested in 3 of his accounts (Haley, Mellisa, Sienna). I happen to catch a very poorly performing period. I decided to stop trading his systems because even over the long term I did not like the amount of potential profits in relation to the monthly fees. I did not look at his systems since then, being focuses on other things.

Those are my 2 cents, since you asked me to be a witness to this bet.

Remus

Yes, it is true that I have met up with Remus more than one year ago. Per his statement, he used Haley, Mellisa, and Sienna for 3 months. As posted on my website www.ctsforex.com - Haley & Mellisa are doing poorly and all the live trading results are there. I tried to be as transparent as possible. Haley trades the GBPUSD and Mellisa trades the USDCHF. In the past 6 months Sienna is doing well and it is trading the EURUSD.

Remus, you have to understand that we are talking about Jasmine. It does not have anything to do with your experience of Haley, Mellisa or Sienna. Currently, we have three profitable trading system i.e. Jasmine, Leah and Sienna. Unfortunately, you did not benefit from Sienna because you were not with us long enough.

Winsor

you had call me for a challange but not yet opened the account.
SO what I understand is I am right. so what will you do to apologise from me?

walker

Happy New Year to everyone!

I am excited to share with you that my article entitled “Automation, Diversification, and the “Wrong Way” Approach to Forex Trading” has been published in the Fxtrader Magazine January 2012 edition. You can read the online version at its website: https://www.fxtradermagazine.com. Below is an excerpt of my article.

Automation, Diversification, and the “Wrong Way” Approach to Forex Trading
By Winsor Hoang

94% of New Year’s resolutions made fail. 95% of Forex traders lose money. Could there be a connection here? I believe that the answer is, ‘yes’, and can be found in basic human nature. If 95% of individuals trading in the Forex market lose money, how do the remaining 5% make money? The answer is simple. They employ diversification, a consistent trading approach, and proven, successful investment philosophies that overcome the flaws of human nature that lead to loss of principal. What are the elements of human nature that affect success or failure of New Year’s resolutions or Forex trading the most? Desire, emotion, and discipline.

Desire - the motivator that causes a person to take the first step toward achieving a goal. In the case of the New Year’s resolver, it might be losing weight, ceasing smoking, or making more friends. For the Forex trader, it’s often the desire for greater income, a retirement nest egg, or peer recognition.

Emotion – something that often hits the New Year’s resolver early the next day. Like the person with a hangover who promises the next morning never again to drink, the emotion of last night’s guilt disappears with the New Year’s Day hair of the dog. Emotion constantly tugs at the Forex trader for attention. Bits and pieces from cable news stories, advisory websites, and emails all compete for attention with a trader’s chosen system. Like self pity that sways a dieter watching another person eat that donut, it’s easy to see how a story can make fear or greed part of a trading decision.

Discipline – maybe the worst of all. The rules of the diet say 1,000 calories per day. What’s another 10%? So I set my maximum down to 100 pips. What’s another 10, 20, or 50? Violating established trading rules and letting losses accumulate in hopes that a price change will make things right, failure to take a reasonable profit, carelessly betting based upon a past ‘pattern,’ leads many Forex traders to the 95% loser door…

Read the entire article at Fxtrader Magazine January 2012 edition or on my website at https://www.ctsforex.com/download/Fxtrader.pdf

Winsor Hoang

   walker36 posted:
   Winsor

you had call me for a challange but not yet opened the account.
SO what I understand is I am right. so what will you do to apologise from me?

walker

Can some one explain to Walker what is a margin call account means? Once, we agree on the definitions and the terms, I will open up the account.

Per my previous comments - If you start with $5K and your account goes to $1K, then it is a definition of a blow account. If you start with $5K and the account goes to $10K and then back to $5,000 i.e. 50% DD, this is also not a blow account since you still have all all of your capital.

Let's take it one step further. If an account starts with $5k and it goes to $15K, and then back to $5K. This is still not a blow account as you still have all of your capital.

Walker, do you agree to the example above?

for the investors that fund in last 6 moths they had DD %95.

Hi Winsor

I had Unsubscribe from this thread.

any trading system(manual/automated) will suffer with loss sometime soon or late. so no need to hide or run.

when or if you Public that account let me know.

I wish you a good luck and Profit.

regards
walker