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Phoenix48
Oct 13 2009 at 16:08
48 投稿
Update:

Upgrade:
- Forex Accumulator III

List of EA now in use:

- DragonPips Ultimate v2.01
- Euro-Blaster v3
- FedoraFX
- Forex Accumulator III
- FX Equity Builder
- Hi-Net Grid Strategy v3.1.9
- Hi-Net Hedge Grid Management v2.0.5
- IvyBot v5.0
- MegaDroid v1.21
- Megadroid Pro v1.01ee
- Naminori Bill Final v9
- PipMaker v16
- Robominer II v2.18
- Robominer Pro v1.02
- Volatility Scalp EURCHF D01
- Volatility Scalp Eurocross D05 non-FFCal
wvic
Oct 17 2009 at 00:25
6 投稿
Hi,
From reading your posts and trying to understand your account details I'm concluding that

dragonpips for gbpusd

Volatility Scalp Eurocross D05 non-FFCal for eurchf and eurgbp

MDPRO not eurchf and eurgbp

Naminori Bill - limited martingale, I have read forums about this one and I don't think anyone atually test's it they just find out its martingale then trash it. What are your thoughts? do you understand the ea? whats the true risk to a account?

Forex accumaltor III is going well so far.

Robominer for grid trading

Is your account the fxopen ecn?

thanks



Phoenix48
Oct 17 2009 at 19:25
48 投稿
Yes, it is mainly those that are the best, or at least the more trust worthy.

Just some more precisions:

- I use DragonPips with EUR/USD, GBP/USD and EUR/CHF. But it is the GBP/USD that is the best by far with this EA. I DON'T trade EUR/GBP.

- I use MegaDroid Pro with EUR/USD, EUR/CHF and USD/CHF. All with the 'Agressive' setting 'on' except for USD/CHF on which i disabled the strategy 2 (Agressive off), this strategy was hitting the stop loss way too often for my taste. I DON'T trade EUR/GBP.

As for Naminori Bill, well... The problem is not really the EA. The problem is investors themselves. I know... Because i was like that also at first. Let me explain myself:

Every investors who start trading forex and using EA almost always start by learning at some early point 2 things that stuck to their way of seeing what an EA should be. Those 2 things are:

1- Scalpers are good. Everybody like them so every body want to sell you a scalper. The question people should ask themselves is why? Because they are the only kind of EA that you start to use with a low amount of money and as such can reach a very large part of the consumers for those who try to sell it. Period. Now the real truth: Scalpers are not so good. I don't say they are bad. I just say they are way over rated. Scalpers have large up and down. Who never experienced a time with a scalper were you wait for it to get out of the down it got you into? They also are almost always dependant on how the market perform at the time you use them, and as such, can almost never be trusted for the long term. Another problem with most scalpers is that they only trades at some hours and the rest of the day is wasted in waiting. How can you make significant money with that? It is like if people decide that, starting tomorrow, they will make enough money by working only 1 or 2 hours per day. They would not have much pay for that... The simple truth is that i never started making real money until i got some other EA on my account that DON'T scalp. I think of them as just a good complement for diversification of strategy, and everybody should take them as just that, no more no less.

2- The other thing every trader learn is to avoid martingale like the pest. And to some major extend, they are completely right... And false. How many of us ever found a new EA on any website but at the first sight of seeing the word 'Martingale', we run away somewhere else like if it were automatically bad? This is a complete prejudice. And it is understandable also to a good extend because pure martingale is similar to suicide on the long term for any account. But after passing over my own prejudice, i started testing a lot of EA where the famous word 'Martingale' was involved and i realized that some EA use limited, controlled or modified version of the Martingale system and that they perform very well. Of course, every benefit comes with a price. In the case of systems based on any modified Martingale, it requires a more important amount of money to start with, just to be on the safe side. Drawdown can also be more than with a scalper, but the reward are also accordingly. And most trades also all day long contrary to most scalpers.

So to come back to your question about Naminori Bill: Yes, it is a modifed version of martingale but it is used in a bright way. It works only on AUD/CAD M15 (I admit i never even tested it on any other pairs) and i would not recommend trading it with less than a 10 000$ account. In fact, i think the EA won't even want to start if there is not at least that in the account. I recommend you do some backtest with the graphic option to see for yourself how it works. Don't forget to put at least 10 000 in your backtest.

Now your broker question: No i don't use ECN with FXOpen. In fact, i don't even use the standard account. I am with the micro account in cents which use 0.1 min lot. So all amount you see are in cents. It means that if you see my stats showing a balance of $42674.54, it means that my true balance is 426.75$. Why do i use that account? Because i find it GENIAL ! Why? Because with that kind of account you can put only 100$ and your account will show 10 000$ (10000 cents) which is enough to test and trade live EA like Naminori Bill that requires as much as that and some others even more. I would not be able to do that with other brokers where the amount of money you put is what you get and are only allowed to trade 0.01 lot as a compensation. Unless you REALLY put 10 000$ in it which i am not crazy enough to do just to test some EA... Way too much to lose just for testing. What is the best? To trade 0.1 lot with 10 000$ or to trade 0.01 lot with 100$? I think the answer is obvious... It is always the one who let you the more free margin to trade and in this case the difference is huge.

Hope all that can help you in any way.

<a href='https://fxfrench.com?agent=189769'>Registration</a>

 
Phoenix48
Oct 17 2009 at 19:29
48 投稿
Oups... I forgot to add that:

Here is the link to open a micro account with FXOpen for those who are interested:

<a href='https://fxfrench.com?agent=189769'>Registration</a>
wvic
Oct 17 2009 at 22:31
6 投稿
Thankyou for the in depth response.
Fulltime247
Oct 18 2009 at 00:50
131 投稿
When are you gonna enable the Magic number function? I'm dying to see that feature on THIS account. 😁
It ain't easy being Cheesy!
Phoenix48
Oct 18 2009 at 01:25
48 投稿
Fulltime247 posted:
    When are you gonna enable the Magic number function? I'm dying to see that feature on THIS account. 😁

I can understand that! 😁

But it is already enabled. You simply have to:

1- Click 'Custom Analysis' somewhere near the top right of my full report.

2- Chose the EA(s) you want to see.

3- Uncheck the 'Show actual growth' box that is located at the end of the list of EA. That will enable you to have a far clearer graphic shown to you.

4- Click the button 'Analyze!'. And that's it!

Please take note that i only took the time to associate and put names mainly on those i currently use. Later, when i have time to do it, i will start trying to retrieve which old EA i flushed correspond to which magic number currently unidentified in the list. I will try to retrieve as much as i can.
Phoenix48
Oct 18 2009 at 21:59
48 投稿
Update:

Upgrade:
- FX Equity Builder v1.5

Removed:
- PipMaker v16

List of EA now in use:

- DragonPips Ultimate v2.01
- Euro-Blaster v3
- FedoraFX
- Forex Accumulator III
- FX Equity Builder v1.5
- Hi-Net Grid Strategy v3.1.9
- Hi-Net Hedge Grid Management v2.0.5
- IvyBot v5.0
- MegaDroid v1.21
- Megadroid Pro v1.01ee
- Naminori Bill Final v9
- Robominer II v2.18
- Robominer Pro v1.02
- Volatility Scalp EURCHF D01
- Volatility Scalp Eurocross D05 non-FFCal
Phoenix48
Nov 02 2009 at 03:04
48 投稿
Update:

Upgrade:
- IvyBot v5.1

Removed:
- FX Equity Builder v1.5
- Hi-Net Grid Strategy v3.1.9
- Hi-Net Hedge Grid Management v2.0.5

List of EA now in use:

- DragonPips Ultimate v2.01
- Euro-Blaster v3
- FedoraFX
- Forex Accumulator III
- IvyBot v5.1
- MegaDroid v1.21
- Megadroid Pro v1.01ee
- Naminori Bill Final v9
- Robominer II v2.18
- Robominer Pro v1.02
- Volatility Scalp EURCHF D01
- Volatility Scalp Eurocross D05 non-FFCal
sdsarmad
Nov 11 2009 at 18:42
7 投稿
hi
what do you think of FX Equity Builder?
thank you
Phoenix48
Nov 11 2009 at 23:13
48 投稿
It is hard for me to judge FX Equity Builder because i realized that it is not compatible with my broker and caused it to stop trading at any time, even in backtest. I hoped that the v1.5 was fixing this but no, it didn't. So that is the main reason i removed it from my account.

That being said, one time i was lucky enough to manage to do a complete history backtest on eur/chf without it stopping trading for no reason and i was surprised that it didn't blow up the account at all. I also managed to see enough to understand the logic behind the trading. It is a limited and modified form of martingale that, i think, have some good potential as long as:

1- They improve their EA with a new version that have a far better compatibility with all major brokers. Because right now, when it decide to stop trading for no reason, you can lose a lot if you have positions still open and the market goes against you, and you are not in front of the PC to stop it.

2- You start with enough free margin to allow it the freedom of some drawdown sometimes.

Always sad to have some drawdown once in a while but it is the price to pay to trade successfully with any modified and/or limited form of martingale. But it is still better that than a complete martingale which requires huge margin and will probably blow up the account one day anyway. As a proof, look at my account history, the big line going all the way down is when i tested an old version of Hii-Net Capital who was pure martingale and even by keeping the lots it invested to the minimum and having a very huge margin, it blown up my account anyway.

Now back to FX Equity Builder: If you ask me how much margin it can require to be safe then the answer is: I honestly don't know... Unfortunately, because of the bug in it, i never managed to test it fully and find the 'safe limit'. But if the EA works better with your broker than mine, you can easily find that by yourself. Just download the complete history in you MT4 and do backtest by increasing the starting balance at each test until it doesn't blow up the account anymore. That usually gives you a good approximation of the amount required.

As for myself, i will wait a better compatible version and i will look forward of testing it further because i found this EA interesting with some potential for sure. I heard that the v2.0 is coming out very soon and i hope this one will fix all that.

Hope that help you even if, as i said, my knowledge of it is still not complete.
Phoenix48
Nov 18 2009 at 23:44
48 投稿
Update:

Upgrade:
- DragonPips Ultimate v2.02
- RoboMiner Pro v1.04

Removed:
- IvyBot v5.1

List of EA now in use:

- DragonPips Ultimate v2.02
- Euro-Blaster v3
- FedoraFX
- Forex Accumulator III
- MegaDroid v1.21
- Megadroid Pro v1.01ee
- Naminori Bill Final v9
- RoboMiner II v2.18
- RoboMiner Pro v1.04
- Volatility Scalp EURCHF D01
- Volatility Scalp Eurocross D05 non-FFCal
David Gracious (davidgra)
Nov 19 2009 at 03:50
14 投稿
Hmmm this thread of yours is interesting...

But have you ever think that this idea is not a good idea because of Money Management from each EA. I don't know how deep you know each EA since only the programmer of that EA should known better. I do my programming by myself so I just want to share with you my thought.

In my programming sometimes I calculating Balance or Equity to do Money Management, so think about it. If some of these EA's have same logic like mine, your balance and equity will affecting each other, and this can be good but also this can be bad. In terms of getting profit maybe their affect will be good for you, but when it having too many floating this can be bad.

Maybe one of your EA should close its trades by calculating the equity, but because the equity is affected by other EA in this case that EA won't close the trades that should have been closed.

Just some opinion,
😎
Always be gratefull for what you've got
drgoodvibe
Nov 20 2009 at 14:05
22 投稿
Pump and dump unfortunately, looks like October was certainly a terrible month. What I find with EA's nowadays is that they're optimized for a certain period of time, however they can't handle major instability in the markets and so they fail -- large!

Good luck with your experiment!
Get up, dust yourself off.. and ride!
Phoenix48
Nov 23 2009 at 03:51
48 投稿
David Gracious, it is a good thing that you talk about that.

First, i admit i am not a .mql4 programmer at all even if i look at the codes sometimes. But after testing so much EA you get the trick about knowing how they operate at first glance. Even if you are probably better than me to see the 'little details' sometimes hidden in the programming itself.

Second, it is true that most EA calculate their lots to enter a trade based on either balance, equity or free margin. But i don't really care about that because it is not really an issue. If the balance (or equity or free margin) goes up, then so does the entry lots and over time it doesn't cause any problem in the reality of the stats to judge an EA.

Third... And it was probably your point... is the EA that calculate and use the balance and/or equity and/or free margin to exit a trade. Those are the ones that cause problem and i don't use them at all. In fact, to be honest with you, i even hate them. Why? Because those almost invariably use the Global Variables to keep track of the balance, equity or whatever... And they really mess up all other EA that trade the same pair(s) as those EA.

As an example: I stopped testing the PointBreak EA when i realized that another EA kept opening a trade and Point break kept closing it because in its logic the balance to exit was already reached. They kept opening and closing the trade nearly 100x losing the spread difference each time until i got on my PC and realized what was going on and stopped it. By that time i had already lost more than 100$ just in spread. loll

Another example is the TrendChaser Super EA that also use Global Variables to keep track of the exit point. This one was doing the same: it kept closing trade of other EA too early and even if i was making money, i was supposed to make even more if it weren't there.

So brief, yes, you are right! But none of those are in my account. And here is my trick when trying a new EA: Always go look first in the Global Variables to see if it use it to pick the exit point. You usually see a line written 'Last Equity' or something like that. If yes: Flush that EA, or NEVER use it with another. If not, you can then be rather sure it keeps track of its own trades only and won't cause any problem.
David Gracious (davidgra)
Nov 23 2009 at 06:40
14 投稿
Well I don't know what to say, your reply seems to hard to understand for ordinary people, but it's you. :)

To keep discussing this testing of yours it would take time, so tell me what is your target,. When I see your chart it looks like it should be upside down ;)

doesn't this wasting your time, just curious??
Always be gratefull for what you've got
Phoenix48
Nov 23 2009 at 23:04
48 投稿

davidgra posted:
    Well I don't know what to say, your reply seems to hard to understand for ordinary people, but it's you. :)

To keep discussing this testing of yours it would take time, so tell me what is your target,. When I see your chart it looks like it should be upside down ;)

doesn't this wasting your time, just curious??

What i simply meant is that it is easy to see if an EA is likely to mess up with some other EA: In MT4, you just click 'tools' then 'Global Variables' and see if there is a line that keep track of the balance or equity. If yes. Don't use it with another EA. Hope i explained myself better this time.

Now about the chart. Yes, it definitely looks like as if i am loosing my time. 😁

My goal was to find those that works and that implies having to test some times a few that don't. And that is why i ended with a line in my chart like this. But it was the price to be paid to separate the good from the bad on the ultimate test of a live account and, since i don't think there is a lot more worth trying that i haven't already tested one way or another, i honestly think that it can not do anything else than go up from now on. Maybe slowly, but at least more surely. I may test some more but i am more cautious now than i was before so it shouldn't affect the overall performance much.

Honestly, my line chart is important only in the long term because, of course, everyone wants to make money in the end. But in the short term i was not looking much at it and was rather using the 'Trade Analyser EA' to keep track of each EA performance individually and those were the only stats that were important to me at that time. Simply to learn how well each performed individually on each pair they traded and learn which pairs or EA to flush.

And now that it is mainly done, i am hoping to get the rewards of my efforts in the long run.😉

Kasuko (MoneyFountain1)
Nov 27 2009 at 20:09
57 投稿
Good work - thank you - for all your efforts! :)
All things come to those who wait.
Phoenix48
Dec 03 2009 at 01:31
48 投稿
Update:

Added:
- FapTurbo49
- FX Equity Builder v2.0

List of EA now in use:

- DragonPips Ultimate v2.02
- Euro-Blaster v3
- FapTurbo49
- FedoraFX
- Forex Accumulator III
- FX Equity Builder v2.0
- MegaDroid v1.21
- Megadroid Pro v1.01ee
- Naminori Bill Final v9
- RoboMiner II v2.18
- RoboMiner Pro v1.04
- Volatility Scalp EURCHF D01
- Volatility Scalp Eurocross D05 non-FFCal
Phoenix48
Dec 04 2009 at 00:21
48 投稿
Update:

Upgrade:
- FX Equity Builder v2.0.1

List of EA now in use:

- DragonPips Ultimate v2.02
- Euro-Blaster v3
- FapTurbo49
- FedoraFX
- Forex Accumulator III
- FX Equity Builder v2.0.1
- MegaDroid v1.21
- Megadroid Pro v1.01ee
- Naminori Bill Final v9
- RoboMiner II v2.18
- RoboMiner Pro v1.04
- Volatility Scalp EURCHF D01
- Volatility Scalp Eurocross D05 non-FFCal
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