oportunis posted:

Mathias88 posted:
you are wrong @oportunis
everyone shares their opinion on forum. you share yours, I share mine, other people share theirs accordingly. you have no right to tell who to post or stop posting and where.
and about your post, i would repeat what i said earlier, because these are home truths
1. no one should accuse another person without any evidence. all these assumptions are irrelevant. at least 95% of traders lose their accounts partially or completely according to statistics. so in 95% of cases you will be right.
2. why are you wasting your energy warning naive investors? as long as the market, trust management exists, there will be investors and there will be losses.
investors must understand the risks of forex and diversify risk, if they got money to burn, then there is no need to warn such people.

this is my firm opinion. people going to brokers always know where they are going. they know when these brokers are not regulated or at least by fca. they are looking for big leverage or better terms. So why, when after all they do not like smth, the word scam suddenly pops out?
i do not feel sorry for such people. at all. imho

I'm not wrong, because I have proof of how brokers can fake trades... Anyone with mql license can do it. If you want to see it send me a private message because they block it here.

If a broker is not regulated they can produce any trades they want without them being sent to the market and they can do a Ponzi scheme, pay those 5-10% of profitable traders with 90% of deposit from losing trades. They promote a safe PAM account where DD is under control and they produce a good profit, so they lore investors in and accumulate enough. Once they are happy with money accumulated then suddenly in just one day it all blows. This is not the first rodeo they did. Also yes traders can lose money, but with regulated brokers, you have an audit that can verify this, while with unregulated brokers they can do whatever they like. Anthony could as easily have opened a MAM account at ICMarkets or any other reputable broker, but he didn't. Why would he limit himself? It's easy to just use a master account and copy trades to other brokers, why limit his earnings unless he is a partner with the broker. Nobody would say anything if he would lose a few trades but to blow it all in a few hours is ridiculous for someone that manages millions. Do you think that a trader that earns 100k a month can't afford a risk management team or at least setup equity protecting EA? Come on...

Yep. 100% agreed. We have the proof, but a lot of people don't want to believe it. Many of us knew what would take place here. Rinse and repeat sadly.

Mathias88 posted:

oportunis posted:

I'm not wrong, because I have proof of how brokers can fake trades... Anyone with mql license can do it. If you want to see it send me a private message because they block it here.
Why would he limit himself? It's easy to just use a master account and copy trades to other brokers, why limit his earnings unless he is a partner with the broker. Nobody would say anything if he would lose a few trades but to blow it all in a few hours is ridiculous for someone that manages millions. Do you think that a trader that earns 100k a month can't afford a risk management team or at least setup equity protecting EA? Come on...

I said you are wrong in that you start telling someone what to post or not to post, and not about your thoughts...
if you want, you can send me proofs in pm, i am an curious person and always open for discussion and exchange of opinions.
but if i mentioned i have proof in discussion of a topic, then I would show this proof too for everyone to see.

I am familiar with management.
i want to tell you that it is the successful forex traders who lose accounts most often abruptly in almost one market movement.
this is not greed as many people think, this is self-confidence or arrogance.
a trait ordinary traders who are trading up to 50k usually do not have.
after being successful for so long, really cool traders think they understand the market and understand risk management.
but no! the market always shows the opposite.
the problem is that we may seem wise and be able to discuss it. but the whole point is, until you or me manage millions, we will never understand this as deeply as we should.

No professional trader blows an account in a few hours, trust me no matter how cocky they are. They have arrived at this level by being smart, not arrogant and all use risk management. Ask accent broker for trade tickets and LP they used so you can try to audit their claims.

profitBottle posted:
@oportunis

Hey,
I read your post and realized that you write having no idea of the real situation. Everything you say could exist if the money were locked and being accumulated. But they weren't locked, and ivestors are able to withdraw funds. (you refute it in your post). Iam Tony's ib and I can tell you that the trading period lasts 10 days, meaning that every 10 days funds can be withdrawn and every investor can submit a whole amount request at any time.
And no need to talk about brokers here, it looks like an advertisement. I saw a lot of negative reviews about icmarkets as well.
I suppose this is not about the broker, more like unfortunately Tony got into statistics 98%.

There is talk about the unregulated brokers, and if you lock even for 10 days it means it's not what regulated brokers have. You can withdraw your funds the second you deposit in, with no lock-in period. ICMarket is regulated, it's just one of the popular reputable brokers I mention, they can have bad reviews but they will not cheat you out of money with some scheme. You can easily lose it with them too if you have no idea how to trade, like 90% of users. However, they are regulated by ASIC and are audited regularly, so the numbers they produce are legit. Accent forex has nothing. The problem is also not with an offshore broker but with the scheme, since several people asked for proof of trading from Anthony, he could have just opened a small account at some other regulated broker, verify account here and we would all stay quiet. But being exclusive to one broker means he is working with them, so chances of manipulation are big. If broker knows he brings hundreds of new users they will cook the numbers to look great and lure more users in. What is stopping them to plan an exit strategy and split the money in PAM amongst themselves? Blame it on the market, so there won't be any questions and continue again with some new fake PAM? You being an IB, can you prove to us there was no scam behind all of this? Can you show us tickets of all trades and liquidity providers that accepted them? Can you show us an audit of your broker's financials? A reputable accounting firm that will stand by those numbers would suffice and establish a trust to old and new users...
  

oportunis posted:

Mathias88 posted:

oportunis posted:

I'm not wrong, because I have proof of how brokers can fake trades... Anyone with mql license can do it. If you want to see it send me a private message because they block it here.
Why would he limit himself? It's easy to just use a master account and copy trades to other brokers, why limit his earnings unless he is a partner with the broker. Nobody would say anything if he would lose a few trades but to blow it all in a few hours is ridiculous for someone that manages millions. Do you think that a trader that earns 100k a month can't afford a risk management team or at least setup equity protecting EA? Come on...

I said you are wrong in that you start telling someone what to post or not to post, and not about your thoughts...
if you want, you can send me proofs in pm, i am an curious person and always open for discussion and exchange of opinions.
but if i mentioned i have proof in discussion of a topic, then I would show this proof too for everyone to see.

I am familiar with management.
i want to tell you that it is the successful forex traders who lose accounts most often abruptly in almost one market movement.
this is not greed as many people think, this is self-confidence or arrogance.
a trait ordinary traders who are trading up to 50k usually do not have.
after being successful for so long, really cool traders think they understand the market and understand risk management.
but no! the market always shows the opposite.
the problem is that we may seem wise and be able to discuss it. but the whole point is, until you or me manage millions, we will never understand this as deeply as we should.

No professional trader blows an account in a few hours, trust me no matter how cocky they are. They have arrived at this level by being smart, not arrogant and all use risk management. Ask accent broker for trade tickets and LP they used so you can try to audit their claims.

Totally agree with you oportunis!

Mathias88 posted:

VancouverRain posted:
My questions were not answered! They were just telling me to read again the document I signed when I registered.
We are dealing with a 10 million dollars 'mistake' or fraud' here. Of course, non of the brokers will not show their books at anyone's request...and we are not talking about a few hundred dollars win or loss.

who are 'we' in your post? i have got the only thing is you are or were the follower of this account. you still didnt answer what exactly you were explained. well, so be it, apparently you have your own aims. I see you do not want to figure it out, you already KNOW and DECIDED everything for yourself.
what abstract numbers are you talking about? how much exactly did you lose? or maybe you have got a profit?
i already wrote something similar somewhere on the forum, but i can repeat it here:
investors must understand the risks of forex and diversify risks by investing in different accounts or areas. and if they got money to burn, then there is no need to talk about their money. this is my 2 cents

How much I have lost is not your business.

Who blow up the account? You can ask Tony!

@oportunis

First, I'm sure that you're simply confused, because pamm is not a mam and investors keep their funds on one mutual trading account and the withdrawal at any time can affect the trading. Therefore, there is such a thing as a trading period. We are not talking about 10 days of trading. We are talking about many years of trading, which included more than 100 trading periods, where everyone can get their funds.

When you talk about bad reviews, are you implying that this is not true about icmarkets?
If you really wanna talk about regulators, then I can give you a way for thoughts. What if each regulator is a state-level business? I suppose the money that goes there is hard to imagine. Now tell me, what does every participant in the world market strive for? Yeah, full monopoly. Therefore, you can constantly observe only the same regulators names, which are considered the most reliable, but you may not think Metatrader is the best terminal, but you probably use it, like me and all the others. Total monopoly.

@oportunis

Let Tony answer, if he wants, the questions that are addressed to him.
You also forget about such a concept as the presumption of innocence, when no one except the accusing party is obliged to provide any evidence. So, I also want to know what kind of 'proof' you are talking about.

You probably misunderstood me, I'm just a pamm ib client of accent and sure I don't have such information. But I can tell you for sure that none of the brokers, regardless of their reputation, will give you an audit of financials except for companies whose shares are publicly traded on the stock exchange.
If you think that this information can be provided, show who and when gave it to you. You defend icemarkets so much that it's even a little suspicious .. (I'm not against them, just my opinion).

Samuelkoi posted:

MP_89 posted:

i think trade with ea helps the beginners better understand the market. and it’s quite good trading experience.

you asks me about arguments.
i'll tell you most important argument for ea. huge time savings.
1. i dont fully researching the current market situation, i dont make forecasts, etc. the advisor does all this for me.
2. i dont need to stay awake for days and monitor the minimum oscilation of each pips.
3. i get a constant profit.
want more arguments? trade with ea at least once. then you'll understand.

Oh, and how dos using EA help newcomer understand the market without trading?
It's not at all necessary to constantly be near the terminal to trade. You can take long-term trading as a basis, instead of nervous scalping.
In the first point, you say that you don't follow the market analysis. And wha will happen if a trend ea gets into a flat correction and you will not be near the terminal to turn it off?

ea'll help beginners by analyzing its work, the signals by which it opens and closes orders. over time beginners understand by what criteria their advisor opens new positions. and then beginners will already understand whether he wants to trade with ea or manualy.
and you twist my words!! i didn’t say i don’t follow market analysis at all. i said i don't do it fully.
and i repeat 100 times more that ea needs to be updated. of course if you don't do it you'll lose sooner or later.
so think before you write any nonsense, dear!

oportunis posted:

Mathias88 posted:

oportunis posted:

I'm not wrong, because I have proof of how brokers can fake trades... Anyone with mql license can do it. If you want to see it send me a private message because they block it here.
Why would he limit himself? It's easy to just use a master account and copy trades to other brokers, why limit his earnings unless he is a partner with the broker. Nobody would say anything if he would lose a few trades but to blow it all in a few hours is ridiculous for someone that manages millions. Do you think that a trader that earns 100k a month can't afford a risk management team or at least setup equity protecting EA? Come on...

I said you are wrong in that you start telling someone what to post or not to post, and not about your thoughts...
if you want, you can send me proofs in pm, i am an curious person and always open for discussion and exchange of opinions.
but if i mentioned i have proof in discussion of a topic, then I would show this proof too for everyone to see.

I am familiar with management.
i want to tell you that it is the successful forex traders who lose accounts most often abruptly in almost one market movement.
this is not greed as many people think, this is self-confidence or arrogance.
a trait ordinary traders who are trading up to 50k usually do not have.
after being successful for so long, really cool traders think they understand the market and understand risk management.
but no! the market always shows the opposite.
the problem is that we may seem wise and be able to discuss it. but the whole point is, until you or me manage millions, we will never understand this as deeply as we should.

No professional trader blows an account in a few hours, trust me no matter how cocky they are. They have arrived at this level by being smart, not arrogant and all use risk management. Ask accent broker for trade tickets and LP they used so you can try to audit their claims.

i see your point, but i have my own opinion i already said. i thought we were discussing account here, but you are increasingly switching to a broker. i am not their client and have no right or desire to ask/claim anything. if you are their client, ask by yourself.

fastdrive55 posted:
Very interesting thread. - But I am wondering, why law enforcement is not coming behind these crooks? Doesn't anyone even want to catch 'Anthony Loss' and interrogate him? He would probably sing like a nightingale if behind bars.
All his clients lost alot of money and remain silent? That is beyond my imagination...

ahaha who is 'Anthony Loss'? ahaha
i do not understand too. but I can assume that probably not 'All his clients lost alot of money', but many have earned? and therefore they 'remain silent'

profitBottle posted:
@oportunis

Let Tony answer, if he wants, the questions that are addressed to him.
You also forget about such a concept as the presumption of innocence, when no one except the accusing party is obliged to provide any evidence. So, I also want to know what kind of 'proof' you are talking about.

You probably misunderstood me, I'm just a pamm ib client of accent and sure I don't have such information. But I can tell you for sure that none of the brokers, regardless of their reputation, will give you an audit of financials except for companies whose shares are publicly traded on the stock exchange.
If you think that this information can be provided, show who and when gave it to you. You defend icemarkets so much that it's even a little suspicious .. (I'm not against them, just my opinion).

Lol, I have nothing to do with ICMarkets I care a 'rat's ass' about them. I use them because they have the lowest spread that's all and I had 4 complaints with them which they solved with refunding me due to their servers crashing. But they solved it and admitted their fault, otherwise, I would complain to the regulator, which with the unregulated broker you can't do...

Second I used PAM and MAM accounts and I know exactly how they work. One is percent allocation other is lot allocated and both can unplug the slave account at any time. There is no effect on the master account whatsoever... So don't write nonsense here. I also used hybrid PAM where you can deposit with a different currency than master and unplug it anytime... Before becoming an IB you should learn how the broker operates...

Yes I don't get a financial report this goes to the regulator and they audit it. If the numbers are not correct they penalize the broker, you can read it in FCA report or ASIC etc. They do the audit for us, that is why they are the regulator, not us. But you can always report an issue with the regulator and they will check it for you and reply. I did this for 2 brokers in the past... If regulators find irregularities they issue a warning if this is not fixed then the broker needs to pay a fine and this goes in the broker's report, they lose credibility etc. That is why you can always check the license number and see for yourself...

Unlike you, I'm no IB while you are... I also use Alpari, Tickmil, Admiral markets, FxOpen, FxPro, Peeperstone, AxiTrader... All regulated all have a compensation scheme fund where you get back from 20k to 100k... What does Accent broker have?

VancouverRain posted:

Mathias88 posted:

VancouverRain posted:
My questions were not answered! They were just telling me to read again the document I signed when I registered.
We are dealing with a 10 million dollars 'mistake' or fraud' here. Of course, non of the brokers will not show their books at anyone's request...and we are not talking about a few hundred dollars win or loss.

who are 'we' in your post? i have got the only thing is you are or were the follower of this account. you still didnt answer what exactly you were explained. well, so be it, apparently you have your own aims. I see you do not want to figure it out, you already KNOW and DECIDED everything for yourself.
what abstract numbers are you talking about? how much exactly did you lose? or maybe you have got a profit?
i already wrote something similar somewhere on the forum, but i can repeat it here:
investors must understand the risks of forex and diversify risks by investing in different accounts or areas. and if they got money to burn, then there is no need to talk about their money. this is my 2 cents

How much I have lost is not your business.

Who blow up the account? You can ask Tony!

you're too aggressive mate. be more polite and listen to others. everyone has his own opinion with right to express. but if you blame, then there must be evidence, not just words. or then say you are expressing a personal opinion.
you said these were the words of a broker, and show the words of a trader instead.
you said 'we were talking about millions', but it is unclear that you lost or gained money at all, and now you are aggressively answering my simple questions. do not want to be asked questions, do not communicate on the forum. it's my opinion

Don't used this system, chart looks smooth as I mentioned but so many bad reviews here...

Mathias88 posted:
do not want to be asked questions, do not communicate on the forum. it's my opinion

I agree with it.

Why all good traders use bad brokers? I don't get it

vortexz posted:
Why all good traders use bad brokers? I don't get it

Oh common
Good traders of course use good brokers
You mean fake traders use fake brokers.

Mathias88 posted:
do not want to be asked questions, do not communicate on the forum. it's my opinion



I am not here to chat and have fun also to answer all the personal questions I have already answered. I said I am ok regarding your question about how much I have lost.

I am here to get current investors together who has lost their fund. File a group complaint to

https://www.vfsc.vu/fees-help-support/contact-us/

To start an investigation perhaps?

The story Tony told me about how he lost the whole account does not make sense at all to me. Accent Forex did not want to show anything, basically told me to f off and read my sign up documents, accept the trading risk.

The same situation happened 3 times with this broker and no one is able to do anything about it. This just pissed me off. I thought after 5 years of manual trading, Tony would be at least a real experienced trader who knows about risk managment. The most important part of trading, not to mention how much fund he was managing. However, I do even know Tony is a real person anymore. Most likely Tony = Accent Forex employee....and I really like to have someone to prove me wrong!

If things can not be clear by this broker. I will make sure I post enough 'recommendations' to this broker. There is some hard-working money from other investors in this account, and the broker just plays the same game over and over. People need to see and understand what is happening.

MP_89 posted:
and this is being told to me by a prehistoric man who, i suppose, still cannot believe all these 'new technologies' and draws a market chart by hand. Richi dear don't make me laugh. 😁😁😁
what can someone like you know about artificial intelligence or the work of advisors?

Hey, what can you know about me? Your conclusions are hasty due to the lack of arguments. The advisor cannot be a full substitute for manual trading in the market, which is directly dependent on the humans behavior.

I may accept the fact that advisors can be used, but only if you want to lose all your funds.

MP_89 posted:
and this is being told to me by a prehistoric man who, i suppose, still cannot believe all these 'new technologies' and draws a market chart by hand.

Now I'll tell you a little about you. You probably lost your money so many times that you decided that the only way to earn it was not to participate, so you transferred this responsibility to an advisor. hah 😉

MP_89 posted:
ea'll help beginners by analyzing its work, the signals by which it opens and closes orders. over time beginners understand by what criteria their advisor opens new positions. and then beginners will already understand whether he wants to trade with ea or manualy.
and you twist my words!! i didn’t say i don’t follow market analysis at all. i said i don't do it fully.
and i repeat 100 times more that ea needs to be updated. of course if you don't do it you'll lose sooner or later.
so think before you write any nonsense, dear!

I have never met anyone who could learn to trade by analyzing the trade of ea. This is a freakish teaching in my opinion.
You don't follow all the time, but the market can change any minute, just as you step away from your pc.

You correctly said only one phrase during the posting:

MP_89 posted:
you'll lose sooner or later.