Just got burned this morning by OANDA's practice of setting their own prices on the USD/JPY pair in order to take out their customers stop loses so that they can profit. This happened to me this morning and I'm still pretty upset about it.
But this is what you get when dealing with a bucket shop that may or may not be in financial distress and therefore feels the need to rip their customers off from time to time.....
Anyhow, check out this chart and read my discussion with Oanda and judge for yourself and tell me if Oanda or I am wrong in this. Am I being unreasonable in demanding them to give me my trade back?
sorry to hear that it happened. But brokers have no incentive to hunt your stops since they make money when you open the trade via spread/comission.
Spreads aren't fixed in the market place and they depend on liquidity (liquidity providers). Spreads that brokers advertise are usually average spreads.
On news events and certain hours liquidity might dry up meaning market participants will remove limit/stop order from the market and the next price to fill your order might be higher as was in your case.
If brokers would be hunting stops - they would be quickly out of business. they need to misprice particular instrument at [articular time... and people would use that as opp tu buy/sell since REAL price is different and market would come back to normal levels very quickly.
Please take a minute to re-think it. Since you seem to have a flaw in your fundamental knowledge about the market. (no offence intended here).
First, Oanda is not a Broker. They are a Dealer/Market Maker. Stop loss hunting is not done at the broker level since brokers do not act as the party on the other side. How ever Forex Dealers which are acting as Market Makers are the counter party and this is where this activity occurs.
It's funny how people keep on referring to Oanda as a broker. I'm starting to wonder if those people are victims of a misinformation campaign by Oanda, or if they are Oanda trying to spread the misinformation. 😀
There's a huge difference between a broker and a Dealer/Market Maker.
Meaning a broker has a duty with both parties to broker a fair and honest deal and has no other interest in the deal than making his commission and get paid the same no matter which party comes out on top.
A Dealer/Market Maker makes his money by betting against the other party with the hopes of market volatility creating gaps in the prices so that he can make his money. That's why Dealer/Market Maker's make their money on the spread between the ask and the bid. Also they make their money by playing against their customer.
Here's another an analogy, it like when you are playing cards, when you play black jack in the casino the house has no interest in you winning and every loss is a win for them. However when you are playing poker, the casino in general is just providing the coalitions for the game to occur and may only make a small fee off each pot, but they themselves are not players in the game.
In short, Oanda is a player, and they are playing against their 'Customers', just like the Casino does when you play black jack. To believe in anything else is just plane ignorance and actually it's probably not funny but sad.
So in essence, I got ripped off by the black jack dealer at Oanda.
In this game we always play against someone right? Even if Oanda is a broker, they still have to pass the order to other players or market makers. So why we should care whether Oanda is a broker or market maker?
Price manipulation on the other hand is a serious thing. But without prove there is nothing you can do. So provide us some authentic evidence and I'm sure others will support you. As been mentioned above that price difference amongst brokers is not something unusual or illegal. If your goal is to have your money back then I'm telling you it's never gonna happen.
But this is a good case. Perhaps to deal with this kind of event in the future is to add 15 to 20 pips to our initial stop loss, especially before high impact news. I think it's the smarter way to trade.