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KeltnerPRO - Jared讨论
forex_trader_205742
会员从Aug 31, 2014开始
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Oct 03, 2015 at 09:29
FXtrader2010 posted:
shite what a disappointment this has been
only if you run it on all pairs. i am running gbpusd only. look in custom analyzing and you will see that gbpusd is perfect for this ea. how long? nobody knows....
have a nice weekend
Mark
会员从May 20, 2011开始
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Oct 03, 2015 at 10:51
(已编辑 Oct 03, 2015 at 10:51)
TradeNew posted:AH true! I only run on EURUSD so not AS bad but still. It should be the opposite effect, more pairs = better results!FXtrader2010 posted:
shite what a disappointment this has been
only if you run it on all pairs. i am running gbpusd only. look in custom analyzing and you will see that gbpusd is perfect for this ea. how long? nobody knows....
have a nice weekend
Mark
Oct 04, 2015 at 06:03
TradeNew posted:FXtrader2010 posted:
shite what a disappointment this has been
only if you run it on all pairs. i am running gbpusd only. look in custom analyzing and you will see that gbpusd is perfect for this ea. how long? nobody knows....
have a nice weekend
Mark
Hi,
Custom analysis shows that even with GBPUSD it was negative in April, June, July and August 2015. EURGBP was good except one trade.
DD
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forex_trader_205742
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Oct 04, 2015 at 10:18
ddr555 posted:
Hi,
Custom analysis shows that even with GBPUSD it was negative in April, June, July and August 2015. EURGBP was good except one trade.
DD
Sure but from january 2015 until now 94% / 20% dd with gbpusd only. hard to beat. And more important is the curve you see if you analyze gbpusd only. Much more stable than any other pair. i never understood why people putting this ea on eurusd watching the numbers and the curve you see analyzing this ea. Also it seems to be important that the time frame is m5 on gbpusd instead of eurusd m15.
Many eas struggle on eurusd the last months. Look at trenddetector or other breakout systems like monetizer. eurusd had many false breakouts recently.
Right now the performance on gbpusd is realy good. low dd and nice gains the whole year. Will this continue?
Nobody knows. Interesting to see where we will stand in december.
Oct 04, 2015 at 21:44
TradeNew posted:ddr555 posted:
Hi,
Custom analysis shows that even with GBPUSD it was negative in April, June, July and August 2015. EURGBP was good except one trade.
DD
Sure but from january 2015 until now 94% / 20% dd with gbpusd only. hard to beat. And more important is the curve you see if you analyze gbpusd only. Much more stable than any other pair. i never understood why people putting this ea on eurusd watching the numbers and the curve you see analyzing this ea. Also it seems to be important that the time frame is m5 on gbpusd instead of eurusd m15.
Many eas struggle on eurusd the last months. Look at trenddetector or other breakout systems like monetizer. eurusd had many false breakouts recently.
Right now the performance on gbpusd is realy good. low dd and nice gains the whole year. Will this continue?
Nobody knows. Interesting to see where we will stand in december.
Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!
vladrac@
forex_trader_205742
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Oct 05, 2015 at 11:04
vladrac posted:
Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!
SNB has caused global bankrupt. Black swan events are not specific problems of any eas.
If GBPUSD for example will have a black swan event in the future will you blame your eas?
会员从May 20, 2011开始
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Oct 05, 2015 at 12:49
If you at the backtest for 5+ years you will see EURUSD is the top performer... All im saying. Check it out, TBH I don't even think the other pairs make money. BUT that is just backtest, real results will be vastly different as this EA works off volatility, and we all know the fill can be Vastly different in volatile situations.
Oct 05, 2015 at 12:51
FXtrader2010 posted:
If you at the backtest for 5+ years you will see EURUSD is the top performer... All im saying. Check it out, TBH I don't even think the other pairs make money. BUT that is just backtest, real results will be vastly different as this EA works off volatility, and we all know the fill can be Vastly different in volatile situations.
that is really not correct! This EA open trades on a bar open, 5 or 15min after the news event which is 99% of the time what triggers the volatility. Which means any spread increase is gone by that time!
Check for yourself and if you can prove me wrong, let me know!
Cheers,
Vlad
vladrac@
Oct 05, 2015 at 12:56
TradeNew posted:vladrac posted:
Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!
SNB has caused global bankrupt. Black swan events are not specific problems of any eas.
If GBPUSD for example will have a black swan event in the future will you blame your eas?
!!???!!! What I said is that on Jan this EA benefited from the Black Swan event and if you are going to use that to measure the performance of this EA... I have nothing else to say.
Please re-read what I said with that in mind!!!
If you ignore the HUGE profit he made that day...tell me what was the profit this year so far!
Cheers,
Vladimir
vladrac@
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Oct 05, 2015 at 12:59
vladrac posted:IM NOT referring to spread increase AT ALL. The spread can be normal, but what Im talking about is the reason why some EAs only work on demo or show profitable results in tester but then when you take it to live account, it only loss. The only way to justify the EA is to test it live on real account which is what I have been doing and found EURUSD to be the best for me 1+ live account now. So you can go with whatever you like but Im just practicing my own theories. Its a good EA don't get me wrong.FXtrader2010 posted:
If you at the backtest for 5+ years you will see EURUSD is the top performer... All im saying. Check it out, TBH I don't even think the other pairs make money. BUT that is just backtest, real results will be vastly different as this EA works off volatility, and we all know the fill can be Vastly different in volatile situations.
that is really not correct! This EA open trades on a bar open, 5 or 15min after the news event which is 99% of the time what triggers the volatility. Which means any spread increase is gone by that time!
Check for yourself and if you can prove me wrong, let me know!
Cheers,
Vlad
Oct 05, 2015 at 13:03
FXtrader2010 posted:vladrac posted:IM NOT referring to spread increase AT ALL. The spread can be normal, but what Im talking about is the reason why some EAs only work on demo or show profitable results in tester but then when you take it to live account, it only loss. The only way to justify the EA is to test it live on real account which is what I have been doing and found EURUSD to be the best for me 1+ live account now. So you can go with whatever you like but Im just practicing my own theories. Its a good EA don't get me wrong.FXtrader2010 posted:
If you at the backtest for 5+ years you will see EURUSD is the top performer... All im saying. Check it out, TBH I don't even think the other pairs make money. BUT that is just backtest, real results will be vastly different as this EA works off volatility, and we all know the fill can be Vastly different in volatile situations.
that is really not correct! This EA open trades on a bar open, 5 or 15min after the news event which is 99% of the time what triggers the volatility. Which means any spread increase is gone by that time!
Check for yourself and if you can prove me wrong, let me know!
Cheers,
Vlad
My post had nothing to do with the performance of this EA... which had its time and can no longer live in this market conditions. in my view.
Anyway...I still dont see how in this particular EA, demo vs real will play much of a difference....
Ive seen EAs that are indeed impacted by demo versus live...and for sure it can be huge - see the famous million dollar pip...
But this one...dont see it...as I said the trades are taken during "normal" condtions of spread and fills...price usually is not jumping up and down like a crazy bull by the time this EA enters the market.
Do you know if someone is running this on a DEMO these days? If yes we could just look...
maybe Ricky is still reading these and can turn his EA into a demo account so we can compare...
Cheers,
Vlad
vladrac@
forex_trader_205742
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Oct 05, 2015 at 13:23
(已编辑 Oct 05, 2015 at 13:24)
vladrac posted:TradeNew posted:vladrac posted:
Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!
SNB has caused global bankrupt. Black swan events are not specific problems of any eas.
If GBPUSD for example will have a black swan event in the future will you blame your eas?
!!???!!! What I said is that on Jan this EA benefited from the Black Swan event and if you are going to use that to measure the performance of this EA... I have nothing else to say.
Please re-read what I said with that in mind!!!
If you ignore the HUGE profit he made that day...tell me what was the profit this year so far!
Cheers,
Vladimir
What is your intention here? Its a bad ea or a good one? One account with keltner was removed because of a huge loss in snb event if i remember correctly. So its irrelevant. Under normal real live conditions this ea here made nice gains on gbpusd. Not more.
And i wouldnt run any other pair with it right now.
Oct 05, 2015 at 13:31
TradeNew posted:vladrac posted:TradeNew posted:vladrac posted:
Make sure to ignore what happen during SNB fiasco!!! and tell me what was the performance this year!
SNB has caused global bankrupt. Black swan events are not specific problems of any eas.
If GBPUSD for example will have a black swan event in the future will you blame your eas?
!!???!!! What I said is that on Jan this EA benefited from the Black Swan event and if you are going to use that to measure the performance of this EA... I have nothing else to say.
Please re-read what I said with that in mind!!!
If you ignore the HUGE profit he made that day...tell me what was the profit this year so far!
Cheers,
Vladimir
What is your intention here? Its a bad ea or a good one? One account with keltner was removed because of a huge loss in snb event if i remember correctly. So its irrelevant. Under normal real live conditions this ea here made nice gains on gbpusd. Not more.
And i wouldnt run any other pair with it right now.
Again , I have no intention here, just to make sure we highlight this fact
The SNB event help trades blow their account and for some double their account. We should ignore this event when making any decision about performance of anyone, or any EA...thats my point.
if I look at the perfomance on this particular account from the actual creator of the EA..and I discount that day...it is a bit in the negative for the whole year.
But... indeed your post only mentioned the GU performance... and if you took all trades into consideration...well...thats fact that we cannot deny!
vladrac@
forex_trader_205742
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Oct 05, 2015 at 16:26
vladrac posted:
But... indeed your post only mentioned the GU performance... and if you took all trades into consideration...well...thats fact that we cannot deny!
Yes 100% agree. For all who used recomended pairs this ea is realy bad. Thats the reason why i only use gbpusd atm.
br
Mark
Oct 05, 2015 at 16:56
Check this out - and tell me if you would trade such an equity curve:
https://www.forexgermany.de/ressources/metatrader-strategy-tester/backtesting-keltner-pro-GBPUSD-2009-2014-2pips.htm
https://www.forexgermany.de/ressources/metatrader-strategy-tester/backtesting-keltner-pro-GBPUSD-2009-2014-2pips.htm
forex_trader_205742
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Oct 05, 2015 at 18:11
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HedgeEdge posted:
Check this out - and tell me if you would trade such an equity curve:
https://www.forexgermany.de/ressources/metatrader-strategy-tester/backtesting-keltner-pro-GBPUSD-2009-2014-2pips.htm
As a bt multi millionaire i didnt rely on any bts anymore. Only use them to get a feeling of how the ea trade. bts are worthless.
why do you need a bt if a system is making money NOW? Only real forward test is what counts and any system will faill sooner or later without adapting to changing market conditions.
And no i wouldnt trade keltner relating on that bt but i bought it months ago and so i trade it on the only pair which is profitable now.
Also i wouldnt buy keltner again. for sure.
Oct 05, 2015 at 18:18
TradeNew posted:HedgeEdge posted:
Check this out - and tell me if you would trade such an equity curve:
https://www.forexgermany.de/ressources/metatrader-strategy-tester/backtesting-keltner-pro-GBPUSD-2009-2014-2pips.htm
As a bt multi millionaire i didnt rely on any bts anymore. Only use them to get a feeling of how the ea trade. bts are worthless.
why do you need a bt if a system is making money NOW? Only real forward test is what counts and any system will faill sooner or later without adapting to changing market conditions.
And no i wouldnt trade keltner relating on that bt but i bought it months ago and so i trade it on the only pair which is profitable now.
Also i wouldnt buy keltner again. for sure.
Honest reply for what it seems a honest guy! Cheers
vladrac@
