Martingale
Dec 25, 2016 at 07:49
CrazyTrader posted:
My Money Management System eliminates risk at some point and allows to double lotzise on each trade with ZERO RISK.
How is this possible? Anyone can find the solution?
The question is not how is this possible but how do you make profits with zero risk? 😄 To make a profit you always risk, and not only in forex. You also cannot simply eliminate cost, costs always exists, even in alternative form. So whatever you put at stake to make profit - this is what you risk, unless if you just play with demo accounts 😉
Need for speed!
Dec 25, 2016 at 08:35
trill12 posted:
@hodias The Martingale is a very popular system for Forex, and is used by many expert advisors. I have read that the central principle of the system is to double the bet every time it is lost, as if it were to win.
Yes, this has been mentioned several times in the discussion from what I read. So this seems to be the foundation principle of martingale.
Dec 25, 2016 at 08:35
tradfred posted:
Hey guys, the second page of this article speaks a bit more of Martingale and system types. Perhaps you are interested in. https://www.x-trader.net/articulos/trading-general/la-falacia-de-la-martingala/P%C3%A1gina-2.html
But this article is in Spanish only I see...
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Dec 25, 2016 at 22:51
leopoldo posted:CrazyTrader posted:
My Money Management System eliminates risk at some point and allows to double lotzise on each trade with ZERO RISK.
How is this possible? Anyone can find the solution?
The question is not how is this possible but how do you make profits with zero risk? 😄 To make a profit you always risk, and not only in forex. You also cannot simply eliminate cost, costs always exists, even in alternative form. So whatever you put at stake to make profit - this is what you risk, unless if you just play with demo accounts 😉
Demo or live... this isn't the question. How to use variant of martingale in order to eliminate risk (zero risk - covering all the costs and potential loss) while profit may be * 2 or 4 or 6.
It is possible... pure maths
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Dec 26, 2016 at 12:47
tradfred posted:
I so far have not succeeded, you have been able to do it?
Here I'm going to give you an hint by providing the formula, so you can discover by yourself the martingale method used.
Pips difference / ( (Lotsize Position 2 / Lotsize Position 1) - 1 )
This formula provides (pips) where you have to set stopLoss from last opened trade to get zero risk. (minus a couple of pips to cover spread or commissions)
Does it help?
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Dec 27, 2016 at 07:15
CrazyTrader posted:
I deeply beleive the guy who brought the idea of martingale in forex was a guy who was working in market maker broker.
That's the smartest strategy they could find to swallow your account in 1 single day... 100% sure, they will wipe out you ^^
comes from casino betting
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Dec 27, 2016 at 08:23
rob559 posted:CrazyTrader posted:
I deeply beleive the guy who brought the idea of martingale in forex was a guy who was working in market maker broker.
That's the smartest strategy they could find to swallow your account in 1 single day... 100% sure, they will wipe out you ^^
comes from casino betting
I know... that's why the guy brought the idea... I haven't said the guy who invented martingale
Dec 27, 2016 at 12:08
togr posted:NEEnah posted:
I would like just to add one point I read on Wikipedia - 'The fundamental reason why all martingale-type betting systems fail is that no amount of information about the results of past bets can be used to predict the results of a future bet with accuracy better than chance.'
It is pure gambling, nothing to deal with trends or analysis of the market in my opinion. I think vontogr@ is right that it is about following a losing trade.
@NEEnah
exactly,
I had a martingale strategy (smart one :))
It was working for years and DD was below 30%. Suddenly it was wiped during a day.
I am trying to say you are right, no past results could guarantee future results. But thats the case of any other system as well. :)
I am even surprised to see it worked well for years as you said :) It should have been definitely a smart one.
Dec 27, 2016 at 17:17
CrazyTrader posted:rob559 posted:CrazyTrader posted:
I deeply beleive the guy who brought the idea of martingale in forex was a guy who was working in market maker broker.
That's the smartest strategy they could find to swallow your account in 1 single day... 100% sure, they will wipe out you ^^
comes from casino betting
I know... that's why the guy brought the idea... I haven't said the guy who invented martingale
I would not use martingale in particular. It is a method that does not give me confidence in the absoluteness, although some have worked very well.
forex_trader_350646
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Dec 27, 2016 at 17:42
CrazyTrader posted:leopoldo posted:CrazyTrader posted:
My Money Management System eliminates risk at some point and allows to double lotzise on each trade with ZERO RISK.
How is this possible? Anyone can find the solution?
The question is not how is this possible but how do you make profits with zero risk? 😄 To make a profit you always risk, and not only in forex. You also cannot simply eliminate cost, costs always exists, even in alternative form. So whatever you put at stake to make profit - this is what you risk, unless if you just play with demo accounts 😉
Demo or live... this isn't the question. How to use variant of martingale in order to eliminate risk (zero risk - covering all the costs and potential loss) while profit may be * 2 or 4 or 6.
It is possible... pure maths
Have you had experience with the martingale? You could actually win with this method?
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Dec 27, 2016 at 18:28
naiza posted:
Have you had experience with the martingale? You could actually win with this method?
Interesting point!
To be honest, I have tried only a couple of times, and I haven't been really successuful => failure = zero loss ^^
The theory is simple, the practice is harder.
After some point, I find a new variant of the variant we are talking about. It is easier and could be more profitable in faster way.
If you are creative, then you may find some new variants from what I will expose. But for now, I would prefer someone find it before releasing the concept.
I see the formula provided doesn't help a lot...
More hints:
Pips Difference is the difference in pips between 2 trades.
Then for exemple... Lotsize from Order 2 is twice more from Order 1.
All you have to do, Calculate the formula with figures : )
I'm going to create an account and I will trade exclusively with this martingale...
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Dec 28, 2016 at 15:19
(bearbeitet Dec 28, 2016 at 15:19)
First trade opened.... Waiting for the second one then, it is riskless.
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Dec 28, 2016 at 15:54
trill12 posted:
@CrazyTrader Maybe once you open more shops you can recommend more techniques that you can be using
Not sure what you mean... you guys not curious to find the solution... one more hint.
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Dec 28, 2016 at 16:21
trill12 posted:CrazyTrader posted:trill12 posted:
@CrazyTrader Maybe once you open more shops you can recommend more techniques that you can be using
Not sure what you mean... you guys not curious to find the solution... one more hint.
That is, how do you give the exact formula? You can not just guess, right? There must be something more, I understand what you say about math, but there are many kinds of martingale. Duplicate, quadrupled, I'm not sure which type is the one that uses the most. Or the one that has worked.
It's martingale up and down! or inverted reversed martingale.
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Dec 28, 2016 at 17:41
fabritzio posted:
Thanks for the formula 😄
Can you expose the martingale concept then?
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Dec 29, 2016 at 10:08
adam4 posted:
@CrazyTrader I, on the other hand, could not understand the formula described above. Honestly it did not help me.
I'm trying to make a real example to illustrate...
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Dec 29, 2016 at 10:45
Maybe the formula was not well written:
Pips difference / ( (Lotsize Position 2 / Lotsize Position 1) - 1 )
But it more like this:
SL* = Pips Diff** / ( (Lotsize Position 2 / Lotsize Position 1) - 1 )
SL*: (define level) riskless
Pips Diff**: Absolute (Entry Price Order2 - Entry Price Order1)
Pips difference / ( (Lotsize Position 2 / Lotsize Position 1) - 1 )
But it more like this:
SL* = Pips Diff** / ( (Lotsize Position 2 / Lotsize Position 1) - 1 )
SL*: (define level) riskless
Pips Diff**: Absolute (Entry Price Order2 - Entry Price Order1)
