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TheLastBear
Aug 27 2012 at 07:53
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Hey guys,

do you prefer fixed spreads or do you prefer dynamic spreads? What does your broker offer you?

Thanks for taking time to respond.
Pax puts the X in Forex.
stevewalker
Aug 27 2012 at 09:00
1439 ieraksti
ECN Account
- slippage + Comission + var Spread

it is better to trade with
- 4 digit or 5 digit fix spread NDD broker

variable spread is a big trap for EA s to fail.

better to trade with fix spread. ( 4-5 weeks ago I was on the other side )

walker
malkaby85
Aug 27 2012 at 11:13
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Moreno Rodrigez (MRodrigez)
Aug 28 2012 at 07:11
168 ieraksti
malkaby85 posted:

it all depends on the trading strategy you are using
James_Bond
Aug 28 2012 at 14:49
556 ieraksti
TheLastBear posted:
Hey guys,

do you prefer fixed spreads or do you prefer dynamic spreads? What does your broker offer you?

Thanks for taking time to respond.

A great question. I was sure dynamic spreads are best, until I read walker's response.

I do think fixed spreads is the more transparent approach broker's wise, as many traders overlook or don't understand the commission factor. However, with most brokers changing their model from fixed to variable+commission model, the costs per trade went straight down. By my calculations, spreads with a commission model are cheaper than fixed spreads.

For example (please correct me if I'm wrong), if a commission is \$2.5 per 1 lot per turn, and the initial spread is 0.5, then openning and closing a trade of 1 lot would cost 0.5pip*2+(\$2.5*2) = \$5*2 + \$5 = \$15 or 1.5 pips. Divided by 2, this makes a spread of 0.75 only. Anything above that number with a fixed spread is more expensive (fixed spread usually start from 1.5 pips).
stevewalker
Aug 28 2012 at 15:02
1439 ieraksti
one Q
one input

why you divided it by 2 ?
calculate slippage %90 negative and starting from 0.5 to >5 pips sometimes

on the other hand variable spread is a big trap for fail EA s. EA s programmed for doing always the same. when EA work with variable spread broker it has much more fail poss then working with fix spread.

walker

James_Bond posted:
TheLastBear posted:
Hey guys,

do you prefer fixed spreads or do you prefer dynamic spreads? What does your broker offer you?

Thanks for taking time to respond.

A great question. I was sure dynamic spreads are best, until I read walker's response.

I do think fixed spreads is the more transparent approach broker's wise, as many traders overlook or don't understand the commission factor. However, with most brokers changing their model from fixed to variable+commission model, the costs per trade went straight down. By my calculations, spreads with a commission model are cheaper than fixed spreads.

For example (please correct me if I'm wrong), if a commission is \$2.5 per 1 lot per turn, and the initial spread is 0.5, then openning and closing a trade of 1 lot would cost 0.5pip*2+(\$2.5*2) = \$5*2 + \$5 = \$15 or 1.5 pips. Divided by 2, this makes a spread of 0.75 only. Anything above that number with a fixed spread is more expensive (fixed spread usually start from 1.5 pips).
James_Bond
Aug 29 2012 at 12:22
556 ieraksti
stevewalker posted:
one Q
one input

why you divided it by 2 ?

Because a the spread is for one way trade, ie buy. If you wish to close it (ie sell), that is another spread cost. Actually, I could have counted it for one way only, instead of counting round trip and then dividing it 🙄.

As to slippage - I'm assuming it is the same for fixed and variable, or am I wrong here?
TheLastBear
Aug 29 2012 at 12:39
186 ieraksti
I have to agree with Moreno Rodrigez, it all depends on your trading strategy. While EA's may under-perform with dynamic spreads, active traders may not. I am not a fan of EA's so that would not account. I myself have not decided if I would prefer a fixed spread over a dynamic spread.
Pax puts the X in Forex.
stevewalker
Aug 29 2012 at 14:08
1439 ieraksti
we are calculating the cost.

according to my calculations, including slippage, fix spread is better then variable spread.
bigger the spread smaller the slippage

also with most of the brokers trader can limit slippage with instant order execution.

with ECN market order execution trade can slip as much as it can sometimes > 30 pips.

also variable spread is another ( name on it ) variable that trader can not control.

walker

James_Bond posted:
stevewalker posted:
one Q
one input

why you divided it by 2 ?

Because a the spread is for one way trade, ie buy. If you wish to close it (ie sell), that is another spread cost. Actually, I could have counted it for one way only, instead of counting round trip and then dividing it 🙄.

As to slippage - I'm assuming it is the same for fixed and variable, or am I wrong here?
James_Bond
Aug 29 2012 at 14:47
556 ieraksti
stevewalker posted:
bigger the spread smaller the slippage

I think this is not a plus but a minus - most of the cost is built into the high spread - since the large part of slippage occurs (or should at least) during an economic event and since most of the time there aren't any events, the trader keeps paying a high spread for his trades.
stevewalker
Aug 29 2012 at 14:54
1439 ieraksti
you think so

have you ever record your slippage😀

James_Bond posted:
stevewalker posted:
bigger the spread smaller the slippage

I think this is not a plus but a minus - most of the cost is built into the high spread - since the large part of slippage occurs (or should at least) during an economic event and since most of the time there aren't any events, the trader keeps paying a high spread for his trades.
12264
Aug 30 2012 at 11:20
21 ieraksti
Dynamic Spread in my opinion is the way. It also gives you a good idea if there is movement in the market.
TheLastBear
Aug 31 2012 at 12:53
186 ieraksti
So far I have stuck with dynamic spreads and I can't really complain.
Pax puts the X in Forex.
James_Bond
Sep 06 2012 at 15:10
556 ieraksti
Besides the spread you see, you should also check the actual spread received. I saw somewhere a broker showing once price on the chart, but when you execute a trade, you get another.
stevewalker
Sep 12 2012 at 17:34
1439 ieraksti
then EA started to close trades cont.

I recoreded the spread and see that sometimes spread is >20 pips. but eye can not catch it

wierd

walker
James_Bond posted:
Besides the spread you see, you should also check the actual spread received. I saw somewhere a broker showing once price on the chart, but when you execute a trade, you get another.
Financialarts
Sep 14 2012 at 13:47
134 ieraksti
just because it was easyer to program in my ea's,
also havent gotten signs of any severe slippage.
It also suits my trading style the best.

The choice is personal.
as long as i'm getting profits and get payed out I'm not complaining.
Opened an account through a rebate IB which gives me part of the spread.
So my opinion is fixed spread all the way :)
I am the change in the market that causes you to lose :p / Watch out before I negative pip you! ^^
TheLastBear
Sep 14 2012 at 18:42
186 ieraksti
I agree, the choice is personal and comes down to strategy.
Pax puts the X in Forex.
James_Bond
Oct 16 2012 at 10:02
556 ieraksti
Aren't fixed spread a clear sign of a bucket shop? Obviously, brokers cannot offer a fixed spread when connected to the interbank markets as the spread always changes due to supply and demand, just like prices.
Financialarts
Oct 16 2012 at 10:24
134 ieraksti
James_Bond posted:
Aren't fixed spread a clear sign of a bucket shop? Obviously, brokers cannot offer a fixed spread when connected to the interbank markets as the spread always changes due to supply and demand, just like prices.

yeah, you could see it that way.
I think the big fixed spreads are so they get a big piece of the money pie, no matter the spread variations, to make sure they got their pockets filled no matter how good/bad the excecution..
I am the change in the market that causes you to lose :p / Watch out before I negative pip you! ^^
James_Bond
Oct 16 2012 at 11:07
556 ieraksti
Financialarts posted:
James_Bond posted:
Aren't fixed spread a clear sign of a bucket shop? Obviously, brokers cannot offer a fixed spread when connected to the interbank markets as the spread always changes due to supply and demand, just like prices.

yeah, you could see it that way.
I think the big fixed spreads are so they get a big piece of the money pie, no matter the spread variations, to make sure they got their pockets filled no matter how good/bad the excecution..

That's what I thought. And when the spread is actually higher than what they show you, they just requote you until spread gets back to normal - I don't see how a fixed spread can be better than variable in any scenario.
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