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FRWC - Fusion V - Alpari (By stevetrade)
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Mar 18, 2010 at 12:00
I got no problem logging in to FRWC member's area these few days. Maybe the problem is due to cookies.
My cup is totally empty now.
My cup is totally empty now.
Biedrs kopš
39 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 12:02
for those with interest - Here is an update on the combo results I posted previously
The files with "closing" in the name have the Trade Manager attached, hedge is activated at 300 pips with 50% lot size close on BE.
It is smoothing the line out and decreasing profit slightly but the active trade drawn down can be significant if you add up all the individual active trade draw downs at any one time - sometimes as much as 30% which is unattractive to me.
Seeing a notable number of false triggers (approx dozen) on the hedge i.e. 21626641 was SV, the trade 21642560 was the hedge against this as was 21394532 for Cobalt & 21396921 as the Cobalt Hedge
Would be interested in any thoughts / input / observations ?
K
The files with "closing" in the name have the Trade Manager attached, hedge is activated at 300 pips with 50% lot size close on BE.
It is smoothing the line out and decreasing profit slightly but the active trade drawn down can be significant if you add up all the individual active trade draw downs at any one time - sometimes as much as 30% which is unattractive to me.
Seeing a notable number of false triggers (approx dozen) on the hedge i.e. 21626641 was SV, the trade 21642560 was the hedge against this as was 21394532 for Cobalt & 21396921 as the Cobalt Hedge
Would be interested in any thoughts / input / observations ?
K
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Biedrs kopš
50 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 12:03
(labots Mar 18, 2010 at 12:22)
Ya, no problem logging in for me and my
friends either. But make sure you are
using the password they gave you.
You cannot change the password to
what you want. You must use the password
they gave you. I don't read or hear of
people getting refunds from these clowns
too much... this does not sound good does it?
And that's why their questionable competition
excludes "commercial" EAs. They knew some
of the commercial EAs would beat the crap
out of their Fusion plan. The goal clearly was
to hype up their EA to sell it. Now it is also
clear that Fusion guys are not programmers.
They are just yet another sleazy marketer.
Marketer using Plimus.
friends either. But make sure you are
using the password they gave you.
You cannot change the password to
what you want. You must use the password
they gave you. I don't read or hear of
people getting refunds from these clowns
too much... this does not sound good does it?
And that's why their questionable competition
excludes "commercial" EAs. They knew some
of the commercial EAs would beat the crap
out of their Fusion plan. The goal clearly was
to hype up their EA to sell it. Now it is also
clear that Fusion guys are not programmers.
They are just yet another sleazy marketer.
Marketer using Plimus.
Dukascopy rules !!!
Biedrs kopš
1409 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 12:30
I've finally managed to get a straight answer out of the support team. For people purchasing on the 16th February a refund will be possible on the 30th March ( 30 days of trading ).
In order to get a refund on this date you need to email a copy of your trading statement to [email protected]
Hope this helps clarify things
In order to get a refund on this date you need to email a copy of your trading statement to [email protected]
Hope this helps clarify things
11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
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3 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 12:58
Thanks guys for the feedback, I thought it may have something to do with Windows 7. I will play with the cookies/permissions and see what happens.
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58 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 16:05
I've got my refund stated clearly at Plimus as shown below:
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Refund Request Comments
Date created User Comments
03/17/2010 20:45 Vendor Full refund ( USD 599.0 ) - Refund granted.
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No need to wait till month end. Hurry get your refund today................
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Refund Request Comments
Date created User Comments
03/17/2010 20:45 Vendor Full refund ( USD 599.0 ) - Refund granted.
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No need to wait till month end. Hurry get your refund today................
Biedrs kopš
50 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 16:12
kelrine posted:
I've got my refund stated clearly at Plimus as shown below:
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Refund Request Comments
Date created User Comments
03/17/2010 20:45 Vendor Full refund ( USD 599.0 ) - Refund granted.
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No need to wait till month end. Hurry get your refund today................
Well, great for you. Probably no thanks to Fusion clowns right?
If you hound Plimus directly enough and threaten chargebacks
especially, they will override the vendor. But make no mistake,
Plimus being a sleaze is also lengendary. Great that you got a
refund.
Dukascopy rules !!!
Biedrs kopš
39 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 17:15
Jon
Thanks for the mild trashing today ;-)
Lots of good stuff in there for me to ponder - I will definitely consider setting up FAP.
It also smelled fishy too me in my initial analysis (more so than fusion :-) ) so I avoided favoring fusion for various reasons, but I take your point and certainly worth the time investigating, again, multiple baskets are good.
Not the first time I've been called foolish, however, I have you force me to ask my myself if I think back to Feb 15th, who is the fool, the person that spends $1000 expecting 300+% returns or the one who sits on the sideline's and watches and observes ?
Personally, I was neither, I knew it was embryonic, I knew there was hype, and I knew (because they said ahead of time) there would only be a short window of opportunity to get in. I knew the returns would be significantly less than advertised and expected to have to demo, learn and maybe code if I it came to it. I also knew I was willing to write off the $1000 if need be and that the money back guarantee would be a pain in the ass if real. I live my life knowing that in this life there is no free lunch and sometimes you have to work hard for it. I don't see this as being the thought process or beliefs of a foolish person but maybe I am, and regardless your entitled to your opinion so I'm glad you got it off your chest, I know you felt better when you hit send :-)
I'd ask you this question though, if you think my return expectation's are unrealistic, why did you buy into this if you feel that way, and if FAP is the best EA out there and scalping is really the only way to make money in FOREX, what was your thought process in jumping in here ? it's not like they didn't publish the competition EA's strategy's or what they had done with fusion before you bought in - just curious as too how someone with your intelligence and FOREX knowledge ends up stuck in here with alleged fools like me ? Not trying to be too much of a prick here, I am genuinely curious.
K
PS - http://www.dukascopy.com - nice site, thanks for the heads up !
Thanks for the mild trashing today ;-)
Lots of good stuff in there for me to ponder - I will definitely consider setting up FAP.
It also smelled fishy too me in my initial analysis (more so than fusion :-) ) so I avoided favoring fusion for various reasons, but I take your point and certainly worth the time investigating, again, multiple baskets are good.
Not the first time I've been called foolish, however, I have you force me to ask my myself if I think back to Feb 15th, who is the fool, the person that spends $1000 expecting 300+% returns or the one who sits on the sideline's and watches and observes ?
Personally, I was neither, I knew it was embryonic, I knew there was hype, and I knew (because they said ahead of time) there would only be a short window of opportunity to get in. I knew the returns would be significantly less than advertised and expected to have to demo, learn and maybe code if I it came to it. I also knew I was willing to write off the $1000 if need be and that the money back guarantee would be a pain in the ass if real. I live my life knowing that in this life there is no free lunch and sometimes you have to work hard for it. I don't see this as being the thought process or beliefs of a foolish person but maybe I am, and regardless your entitled to your opinion so I'm glad you got it off your chest, I know you felt better when you hit send :-)
I'd ask you this question though, if you think my return expectation's are unrealistic, why did you buy into this if you feel that way, and if FAP is the best EA out there and scalping is really the only way to make money in FOREX, what was your thought process in jumping in here ? it's not like they didn't publish the competition EA's strategy's or what they had done with fusion before you bought in - just curious as too how someone with your intelligence and FOREX knowledge ends up stuck in here with alleged fools like me ? Not trying to be too much of a prick here, I am genuinely curious.
K
PS - http://www.dukascopy.com - nice site, thanks for the heads up !
Biedrs kopš
39 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 17:52
Steve - On Refunds, how did they come up with 30th of March, did they explain ? It looks like 5 trading days per week plus 1 day.
Looking at your original post on the guarantee text which is the original language from the sign up webpage, which I believe FRWC have now removed (I do have a copy of the wording and graphics used on entire original page if any needs it), it states full refund is available up to 60 days from purchase.
By my calculation 60 days from Feb 14th is April 16th using full calendar not business week which is likely what they will use to close out period, which means those who bought on Feb 16th only have another 15 business days to complete their full 30 days of trading results on 1 specific EA.
That would mean that for those who don't have that, and won't be able to obtain that status by the cut off, really need to seriously consider getting a demo account set up clean with one of the robots (I'd use the original release of the worst one ;-) and run for the next 30 calendar days (Today would be the last day for the to have 30 days) and then contend their offer did not stipulate business days - at least they would then have a valid claim to having met their conditions. Not having 30 days of evidence is going to make a refund "without" force difficult at best IMO.
K
Looking at your original post on the guarantee text which is the original language from the sign up webpage, which I believe FRWC have now removed (I do have a copy of the wording and graphics used on entire original page if any needs it), it states full refund is available up to 60 days from purchase.
By my calculation 60 days from Feb 14th is April 16th using full calendar not business week which is likely what they will use to close out period, which means those who bought on Feb 16th only have another 15 business days to complete their full 30 days of trading results on 1 specific EA.
That would mean that for those who don't have that, and won't be able to obtain that status by the cut off, really need to seriously consider getting a demo account set up clean with one of the robots (I'd use the original release of the worst one ;-) and run for the next 30 calendar days (Today would be the last day for the to have 30 days) and then contend their offer did not stipulate business days - at least they would then have a valid claim to having met their conditions. Not having 30 days of evidence is going to make a refund "without" force difficult at best IMO.
K
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39 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 17:55
Kerline
Why was the refund with Plimus listed as $599 and not $999 per purchase price ?
I already know I'm dumb & foolish, so I just had to ask - right Jon ;-)
K
Why was the refund with Plimus listed as $599 and not $999 per purchase price ?
I already know I'm dumb & foolish, so I just had to ask - right Jon ;-)
K
Biedrs kopš
50 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 17:58
I did not say your earnings expectations are unrealistic. Sheesh.
What I should have said point blank was that it is under-realistic.
It is too understated, too conservative, too low. Do you know
who says high earnings expectations in forex are unrealistic?
Traders who are not successful. What I said was you should
only get involved with forex if you want high earnings and want
that rather quickly and hopefully consistently with minimum losses.
If you do not have that expectation, I said savings account or
mutual fund might be better. You have to want high earnings
goal or you should not do forex trading. And again, I did not say
FAP was best. What I said was it beats the crap out of Fusion
and even HiRider more consistently provided that you use FAP
only to scalp using very tight settings and use it on a very volatile
pair like GPBJPY or GBPUSD. And me and my friends buy every single EA
that is advertised either by SPAM or by anything we run into.
Not that many people can actually say this right? We buy it
and then we decompile it. We decompile every single one of
them and majority of them are pure crap. And majority of them
were all once free EAs handed out in forums. That's the sad
fact of EA marketing. What they so called "published" data has any
significant meaning IF they are real money live accounts and
if they are in fact real accounts. Notice that these clowns
and majority of the clowns do not publish their so called
evidence on MYFXBOOK do they? Of course not. Not one
single EA marketer will publish their stuff on this site. They
cannot satisfy the validation required by this site. You can
fake it everywhere else using countless number of demo
accounts or just fake it all running it on their servers using
their own programs or even using PhotoShop. Come on.
I did not say FAP was the best... all I said was that even
FAP, one that Fusion guys trash as being one of the hyped
up oversold crap beats the crap out of Fusion rather soundly.
Having said that, I have to say that FAP is superior to Fusion
in every way. First of all, every single parameter is under
your control. EA marketers including these Fusion clowns
are preying upon newbies. That's it. They prey upon newbies
who doesn't have enough experience to even tinker with
the parameters. And to further insult the traders, they also
give out EAs with very little meaningful parameters to control.
Just demo this and you will see that their so called competition
was nothing more than some bizarre marketing ploy to suck
newbies in. And most people saw right through this and
didn't even bother buying it. But that's not me and my
friends. We buy every single thing and we decompile it.
We admit that it is also a some kind of an obsession but
at least we speak the truth. They published the competition
results? Please... their rules sucked as well. Why was
HiRider not allowed to use money management? But
LMD was? Look at the statements again... it is a joke.
HiRider and Volcano both would have beat the crap out
of LMD. They fixed it so that LMD will win. If HiRider was
even doing fixed lot of .1 it would have placed first place.
They changed the money management rule so that their
chosen LMD will win. Probably the moron who allegedly
won the competition was one of their friends living in
some slum in Croatia. That's my guess. Do you really
believe that they paid $100,000 but the best payment
processor they can get is Plimus? This so called joke of a
competition is their little set-up to rip off EA programmers
as well. It clearly is some stinky operation they are running.
And somehow they got BT and FXCM involved as well... as a
sponsor no less. I don't get it really. So only idiots can buy
EAs huh? Is that your final analysis? So, you are really the
insulting one on here right? Only pretending to be some nice person?
I already stated that me and my friends are obsessed EA
programmers and enthusiasts. We buy everything.
And incidentally, Dukascopy is not yet live with MT4 platform.
And they lowered the minimum retail requirement to $1,000.
What I should have said point blank was that it is under-realistic.
It is too understated, too conservative, too low. Do you know
who says high earnings expectations in forex are unrealistic?
Traders who are not successful. What I said was you should
only get involved with forex if you want high earnings and want
that rather quickly and hopefully consistently with minimum losses.
If you do not have that expectation, I said savings account or
mutual fund might be better. You have to want high earnings
goal or you should not do forex trading. And again, I did not say
FAP was best. What I said was it beats the crap out of Fusion
and even HiRider more consistently provided that you use FAP
only to scalp using very tight settings and use it on a very volatile
pair like GPBJPY or GBPUSD. And me and my friends buy every single EA
that is advertised either by SPAM or by anything we run into.
Not that many people can actually say this right? We buy it
and then we decompile it. We decompile every single one of
them and majority of them are pure crap. And majority of them
were all once free EAs handed out in forums. That's the sad
fact of EA marketing. What they so called "published" data has any
significant meaning IF they are real money live accounts and
if they are in fact real accounts. Notice that these clowns
and majority of the clowns do not publish their so called
evidence on MYFXBOOK do they? Of course not. Not one
single EA marketer will publish their stuff on this site. They
cannot satisfy the validation required by this site. You can
fake it everywhere else using countless number of demo
accounts or just fake it all running it on their servers using
their own programs or even using PhotoShop. Come on.
I did not say FAP was the best... all I said was that even
FAP, one that Fusion guys trash as being one of the hyped
up oversold crap beats the crap out of Fusion rather soundly.
Having said that, I have to say that FAP is superior to Fusion
in every way. First of all, every single parameter is under
your control. EA marketers including these Fusion clowns
are preying upon newbies. That's it. They prey upon newbies
who doesn't have enough experience to even tinker with
the parameters. And to further insult the traders, they also
give out EAs with very little meaningful parameters to control.
Just demo this and you will see that their so called competition
was nothing more than some bizarre marketing ploy to suck
newbies in. And most people saw right through this and
didn't even bother buying it. But that's not me and my
friends. We buy every single thing and we decompile it.
We admit that it is also a some kind of an obsession but
at least we speak the truth. They published the competition
results? Please... their rules sucked as well. Why was
HiRider not allowed to use money management? But
LMD was? Look at the statements again... it is a joke.
HiRider and Volcano both would have beat the crap out
of LMD. They fixed it so that LMD will win. If HiRider was
even doing fixed lot of .1 it would have placed first place.
They changed the money management rule so that their
chosen LMD will win. Probably the moron who allegedly
won the competition was one of their friends living in
some slum in Croatia. That's my guess. Do you really
believe that they paid $100,000 but the best payment
processor they can get is Plimus? This so called joke of a
competition is their little set-up to rip off EA programmers
as well. It clearly is some stinky operation they are running.
And somehow they got BT and FXCM involved as well... as a
sponsor no less. I don't get it really. So only idiots can buy
EAs huh? Is that your final analysis? So, you are really the
insulting one on here right? Only pretending to be some nice person?
I already stated that me and my friends are obsessed EA
programmers and enthusiasts. We buy everything.
And incidentally, Dukascopy is not yet live with MT4 platform.
And they lowered the minimum retail requirement to $1,000.
Dukascopy rules !!!
Biedrs kopš
50 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 18:00
(labots Mar 18, 2010 at 18:14)
lorak posted:
Kerline
Why was the refund with Plimus listed as $599 and not $999 per purchase price ?
I already know I'm dumb & foolish, so I just had to ask - right Jon ;-)
K
Uh, that's because he clearly did the two payment option.
Notice that they already attempted to charge irbis' card
more than once already. I find that unacceptable. And Thanksfully,
irbis already took measures to thwart the Fusion clowns and
Plimus sleaze long before he even asked for a refund.
So, get this... they deny his refund request with bizarre and
conflicting stipulations yet but they have no problem trying
to charge his card? I would laugh if it wasn't so damn sad.
And refund policy should not be that complicated requiring a
damn calculator. It should be simple. So Fusion clowns had
very little intention of giving out refunds easily OR they would
have chosen ClickBank. Right? My guess is that BT and FXCM...
probably FXCM pressured these guys to do refunds easily. And
maybe even threatened with exposing them... afterall, FXCM
actually met up with these clowns to do that "interview".
Whatever... that interview was a joke too. Probably this
FXCM pressure came just recently.
Dukascopy rules !!!
Biedrs kopš
39 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 18:12
Will
Not sure if you resolved your issue - I have not seen this and I logon most days.
Couple things to try if you are still having issues if Jonfxbot / Kerline comments didn't resolve -
Firstly to further expand on Jon's point of the original password issued, type your password in the user field to make sure it is actually keying what you believe you are keying, a stuck capslock or numlock key can screw up password entry and you can't tell cause they are normally starred out :-) If it's not correct, fix what's causing the problem.
If it is correct, then try another browser, common stable browsers I have used are Win I.E. 7 and above (don't use IE6), Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari, Opera - all have worked for me and all work on MAC / PC (Except I.E. versions which obviously are not available on MAC)
Keep your emails on this to FWRC, emails are discoverable evidence in court in the majority of countries and certainly in the US.
A lack of response could theoretically enhance your chance of refund if you choose to seek one ;-)
Good luck
K
Not sure if you resolved your issue - I have not seen this and I logon most days.
Couple things to try if you are still having issues if Jonfxbot / Kerline comments didn't resolve -
Firstly to further expand on Jon's point of the original password issued, type your password in the user field to make sure it is actually keying what you believe you are keying, a stuck capslock or numlock key can screw up password entry and you can't tell cause they are normally starred out :-) If it's not correct, fix what's causing the problem.
If it is correct, then try another browser, common stable browsers I have used are Win I.E. 7 and above (don't use IE6), Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari, Opera - all have worked for me and all work on MAC / PC (Except I.E. versions which obviously are not available on MAC)
Keep your emails on this to FWRC, emails are discoverable evidence in court in the majority of countries and certainly in the US.
A lack of response could theoretically enhance your chance of refund if you choose to seek one ;-)
Good luck
K
Biedrs kopš
39 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 20:05
Jon
Good to know on Dukascopy.
Not saying only idiots buy EA's, more so that contrary to your statement of me being dumb & foolish, like you I had my reasons for getting involved beyond the hype, I was also interested in yours - although it may have sounded condescending, I do think your a smart individual (although somewhat frustrated with FRWC :-).
As for pretending to be a nice person, I don't pretend, it comes naturally for the most part, most of the time, however, I can be a prick when I feel like it, I can also be ignorant in the true sense of the word (lacking in knowledge) - I think if you are honest and don't look at just a snap shot in time, many people fall into this category, we are all human ;-)
With regards to you and your friends buying EA's - not sure why you would do this, if you are de-compiling them from .ex4, most purchase agreements make the de-compiling against your contracted terms, if you are going to violate that by de-compiling , why bother paying for the EA in the first place, they are all out there on the internet if you want them and know where to look - even FRWC Royal Trader package.
If you are just de-compiling for knowledge this can be relatively easily defended in a court of law at least in the US as educational if you have decent lawyer ;-)
Should you ever have to defend a case against you, you may in the long run pay as much as you would have for the EA's in the long run, but with cash preservation and risk vs reward, why bother, your risk of persuit by a scam ea owner is slim at best if you are not distributing.
Should you need to trade with the EA - that's a different story, as would be modifying and trading, selling or distributing.
My question on the refund - that was me showing my ignorance, I never joined the dots at first pass on the two payment options, I just jumped right in - not sure if that one should finish with a :-) or a :-( I guess time will tell :-)
On a more more master / apprentice level, what's your opinion on what the top EA's are then, I see blatant scams and misrepresentations, I see sites with lots of free and ripped off EA's that others are selling (most of which don't perform at all), and I bump into (virtually anyway) people who are running their own hand written effective EA's that they are not interested in selling, but some of whom will take you on as an investment client. There also seems to be some pay forums where EA's are distributed t opaid up members, some of which published results look ok. You state you have examined the code in them all or at least the ones you can get your hands on, what's your view on this - I'm sure there are many others here looking for their next step after their refund that would like to understand this better as well ?
No doubt talk to you later tonight or tomorrow one way or the other :-)
K
Good to know on Dukascopy.
Not saying only idiots buy EA's, more so that contrary to your statement of me being dumb & foolish, like you I had my reasons for getting involved beyond the hype, I was also interested in yours - although it may have sounded condescending, I do think your a smart individual (although somewhat frustrated with FRWC :-).
As for pretending to be a nice person, I don't pretend, it comes naturally for the most part, most of the time, however, I can be a prick when I feel like it, I can also be ignorant in the true sense of the word (lacking in knowledge) - I think if you are honest and don't look at just a snap shot in time, many people fall into this category, we are all human ;-)
With regards to you and your friends buying EA's - not sure why you would do this, if you are de-compiling them from .ex4, most purchase agreements make the de-compiling against your contracted terms, if you are going to violate that by de-compiling , why bother paying for the EA in the first place, they are all out there on the internet if you want them and know where to look - even FRWC Royal Trader package.
If you are just de-compiling for knowledge this can be relatively easily defended in a court of law at least in the US as educational if you have decent lawyer ;-)
Should you ever have to defend a case against you, you may in the long run pay as much as you would have for the EA's in the long run, but with cash preservation and risk vs reward, why bother, your risk of persuit by a scam ea owner is slim at best if you are not distributing.
Should you need to trade with the EA - that's a different story, as would be modifying and trading, selling or distributing.
My question on the refund - that was me showing my ignorance, I never joined the dots at first pass on the two payment options, I just jumped right in - not sure if that one should finish with a :-) or a :-( I guess time will tell :-)
On a more more master / apprentice level, what's your opinion on what the top EA's are then, I see blatant scams and misrepresentations, I see sites with lots of free and ripped off EA's that others are selling (most of which don't perform at all), and I bump into (virtually anyway) people who are running their own hand written effective EA's that they are not interested in selling, but some of whom will take you on as an investment client. There also seems to be some pay forums where EA's are distributed t opaid up members, some of which published results look ok. You state you have examined the code in them all or at least the ones you can get your hands on, what's your view on this - I'm sure there are many others here looking for their next step after their refund that would like to understand this better as well ?
No doubt talk to you later tonight or tomorrow one way or the other :-)
K
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50 ieraksti
Mar 18, 2010 at 20:17
(labots Mar 18, 2010 at 20:27)
Again, I have sad sorry real news for you.
Every single damn EA that is available are
available on Malaysian and Russian fx forums
in decompiled form and not one single
one of the so called EA marketers have
any legal grounds. Why you ask?
Because they know they did not program
their own EA they say that is theirs.
Everything they blow is just that...
blowhard nonsense. Or we would have
read or even heard of something "legal"
happening on the internet among the
whole slew of so called EA marketers.
They do and say nothing except make
some really pathetic veiled threats like
FAP Turbo guys do but then again,
we know that they are sleaze as well don't
we? Why did FAP Turbo's demo account
showed up one day in the Fusion clown's
member office is still puzzling to me. I would
just say pathetic. There is not one single shred
of "legal" ground here. Again why? First of all,
not one single indicator is written or created
from scratch by any of these EA marketing retards.
Also, the codes themselves are copy and pasted
from metaquotes.net programming forum. Not
one single line of code is created out of scratch
by any of the programmers. They already exist...
trading strategies already exist... and the biggest
BS of all? Vast majority of the EA's are copy and
paste job from other EAs they either blatantly
rip off or they are codes that already existed on
metaquotes forum itself. You see? Again, you talk
irrelevant nonsense. You can decompile every
single crap in existence and let's say you sell it.
Nobody can stop you. That's the sad reality of
EA marketing. Or you would have read or even
heard of some incredible legal precedence on the
internet already. Right? None exists because
they are all copy and paste jobs of codes and
strategies and indicators that already existed on
various forums. And they all were born in metaquotes
forum and propagated on other forex forums and
private blogs. Don't let anyone tell you that what
they created is some unique crap. They are not!
Strategies and indicators are not patentable or
copyrightable either. Or we would all be forced
to pay to use them as well. Let me tell you something...
EA marketing is a joke. So only real strange group of
people will go out of their way to market EAs. Or do
you also believe that they are some Ivy League kids
or some hedge fund analyst at some bank? Huh?
What other nonsense do you eat up and believe?
Not one single line of original code exists anywhere
on the face of this planet. Sad isn't it? There was
some veiled threats and really pathetic posturing between
FAP Turbo guys and some other guy who was accused
of stealing the codes but then FAP Turbo guys stole
his improvements he made on the EA he allegedly
copied. But then again, FAP Turbo guys copied
FAP's EURUSD's strategy exactly line by line. And the
so called scalper already existed in many forms on many
forums already. The line of EAs or the very concept of
Asia session scalping of EURCHF and EURGBP is nothing
new either. Right? Of course. I laugh at every single
one of these EA marketers... more so after we look
at their codes. Tell me, why did FAP Turbo's Steve
show up on Fusion clown's site? Hmmmm??? Maybe
they are all the same guys? I will give FAP Turbo guys
one thing. They did create an automatic solution for
Dukascopy's Jforex but it really is not hard to run
MT4 EA through a Jforex translator. Now is it? Nope.
Every single damn EA that is available are
available on Malaysian and Russian fx forums
in decompiled form and not one single
one of the so called EA marketers have
any legal grounds. Why you ask?
Because they know they did not program
their own EA they say that is theirs.
Everything they blow is just that...
blowhard nonsense. Or we would have
read or even heard of something "legal"
happening on the internet among the
whole slew of so called EA marketers.
They do and say nothing except make
some really pathetic veiled threats like
FAP Turbo guys do but then again,
we know that they are sleaze as well don't
we? Why did FAP Turbo's demo account
showed up one day in the Fusion clown's
member office is still puzzling to me. I would
just say pathetic. There is not one single shred
of "legal" ground here. Again why? First of all,
not one single indicator is written or created
from scratch by any of these EA marketing retards.
Also, the codes themselves are copy and pasted
from metaquotes.net programming forum. Not
one single line of code is created out of scratch
by any of the programmers. They already exist...
trading strategies already exist... and the biggest
BS of all? Vast majority of the EA's are copy and
paste job from other EAs they either blatantly
rip off or they are codes that already existed on
metaquotes forum itself. You see? Again, you talk
irrelevant nonsense. You can decompile every
single crap in existence and let's say you sell it.
Nobody can stop you. That's the sad reality of
EA marketing. Or you would have read or even
heard of some incredible legal precedence on the
internet already. Right? None exists because
they are all copy and paste jobs of codes and
strategies and indicators that already existed on
various forums. And they all were born in metaquotes
forum and propagated on other forex forums and
private blogs. Don't let anyone tell you that what
they created is some unique crap. They are not!
Strategies and indicators are not patentable or
copyrightable either. Or we would all be forced
to pay to use them as well. Let me tell you something...
EA marketing is a joke. So only real strange group of
people will go out of their way to market EAs. Or do
you also believe that they are some Ivy League kids
or some hedge fund analyst at some bank? Huh?
What other nonsense do you eat up and believe?
Not one single line of original code exists anywhere
on the face of this planet. Sad isn't it? There was
some veiled threats and really pathetic posturing between
FAP Turbo guys and some other guy who was accused
of stealing the codes but then FAP Turbo guys stole
his improvements he made on the EA he allegedly
copied. But then again, FAP Turbo guys copied
FAP's EURUSD's strategy exactly line by line. And the
so called scalper already existed in many forms on many
forums already. The line of EAs or the very concept of
Asia session scalping of EURCHF and EURGBP is nothing
new either. Right? Of course. I laugh at every single
one of these EA marketers... more so after we look
at their codes. Tell me, why did FAP Turbo's Steve
show up on Fusion clown's site? Hmmmm??? Maybe
they are all the same guys? I will give FAP Turbo guys
one thing. They did create an automatic solution for
Dukascopy's Jforex but it really is not hard to run
MT4 EA through a Jforex translator. Now is it? Nope.
Dukascopy rules !!!
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Mar 18, 2010 at 21:24
Jon
Ok - I'm going to be a prick here - please forgive me.
Mail me some examples (and the "s" on the end of examples means at least more than one, I'm thinking a just a dozen examples of known unique ea's would be enough to make me eat humble pie) - I say your full of shit on your no original lines of code comment and I'm wondering if your "friends" are imaginary and all that code you've looked at is more bullshit. I have a lot of unanswered questions out too you here that you seem to have cunningly avoided by your retorts. Start walking your walk my friend.
Prick mode disengaged.
I don't disagree on your beliefs on marketing or that metaquotes has a lot of code, or that you can't copyright indicators etc, technically you could but good luck to anybody trying to enforce it, but seriously, where did this magical code come from if none of it's original, think about it for a moment. Sure, code get's copied, sure people steal routines from genuine original software, there are plenty of documented law suits on that in most of the developed countries, but it's not all copied, so I don't buy all EA's are ripped off, by saying that, your saying for example that Steve Boardman ripped off his Cast Iron Man EA as did all others who have written one ? seriously ?
Your at risk of me retracting my smart individual comment :-)
K
Ok - I'm going to be a prick here - please forgive me.
Mail me some examples (and the "s" on the end of examples means at least more than one, I'm thinking a just a dozen examples of known unique ea's would be enough to make me eat humble pie) - I say your full of shit on your no original lines of code comment and I'm wondering if your "friends" are imaginary and all that code you've looked at is more bullshit. I have a lot of unanswered questions out too you here that you seem to have cunningly avoided by your retorts. Start walking your walk my friend.
Prick mode disengaged.
I don't disagree on your beliefs on marketing or that metaquotes has a lot of code, or that you can't copyright indicators etc, technically you could but good luck to anybody trying to enforce it, but seriously, where did this magical code come from if none of it's original, think about it for a moment. Sure, code get's copied, sure people steal routines from genuine original software, there are plenty of documented law suits on that in most of the developed countries, but it's not all copied, so I don't buy all EA's are ripped off, by saying that, your saying for example that Steve Boardman ripped off his Cast Iron Man EA as did all others who have written one ? seriously ?
Your at risk of me retracting my smart individual comment :-)
K
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Mar 18, 2010 at 23:05
Question specifically to Jon (but if anyone else has additional relevant data I'd be interested in their observations as well)
What are you seeing as the latest results in your tests of Fusion V 1.21?
Additional question - anyone loaded HiRider Advanced yet ? any comments ?
K
What are you seeing as the latest results in your tests of Fusion V 1.21?
Additional question - anyone loaded HiRider Advanced yet ? any comments ?
K
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Mar 18, 2010 at 23:29
Only testing Fusion, No drawdowns lately, And only a very small gain since last night.
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Mar 18, 2010 at 23:36
(labots Mar 19, 2010 at 00:05)
Thanks wilson1
My latest Fusion report is attached.
I also have HiRider Advanced loaded (released today), will report on findings but quality control is still lacking.
Manual says Strat 1 is now best with lowest DD of 13% but yet it is disabled with no way to enable in properties, tried messing with lot size / max lot's to see if there was some trigger to enable but it looks like poor code review or undocumented disablement of Strat 1- neither are acceptable in my mind. Support ticket logged, I'm sure there will be another release soon as this clearly needs resolved if it has half a chance of performing, simple fix, sloppy code review prior to release.
They may have these things released in labs, but how can you experiment in lab without being methodical about how you develop and document so you can get the best feedback / fastest route to improvement - I think they should re-name labs "playground" or "danger zone" because there is little to no discipline here - some Feedback if you are reading FRWC !
K
My latest Fusion report is attached.
I also have HiRider Advanced loaded (released today), will report on findings but quality control is still lacking.
Manual says Strat 1 is now best with lowest DD of 13% but yet it is disabled with no way to enable in properties, tried messing with lot size / max lot's to see if there was some trigger to enable but it looks like poor code review or undocumented disablement of Strat 1- neither are acceptable in my mind. Support ticket logged, I'm sure there will be another release soon as this clearly needs resolved if it has half a chance of performing, simple fix, sloppy code review prior to release.
They may have these things released in labs, but how can you experiment in lab without being methodical about how you develop and document so you can get the best feedback / fastest route to improvement - I think they should re-name labs "playground" or "danger zone" because there is little to no discipline here - some Feedback if you are reading FRWC !
K
Pielikumi
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Mar 19, 2010 at 01:58
Update on issue with HiRider Advanced -
Under closer examination it looks like it's cosmetic, they have removed 1 of the strategy's in the control's which leave's 4 strategies listed under properties (5 previously under HiRider), however the on chart text still indicates 5 strategies with strat 1 disabled - probably just on omission on code removal during cleanup as they carved that Strategy out, but still not helpful, will confirm when I get official response from support but that's what it's looking like.
Jon maybe since you de-compile all the EA's you can get your hands on you could confirm this ?
K
Under closer examination it looks like it's cosmetic, they have removed 1 of the strategy's in the control's which leave's 4 strategies listed under properties (5 previously under HiRider), however the on chart text still indicates 5 strategies with strat 1 disabled - probably just on omission on code removal during cleanup as they carved that Strategy out, but still not helpful, will confirm when I get official response from support but that's what it's looking like.
Jon maybe since you de-compile all the EA's you can get your hands on you could confirm this ?
K
