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5starsignalspamm
May 29 2016 at 17:50
184 posts


the abs gain is essential because, or, you increase each time the trader can increase it or lose all your capital in a moment


In regards to this, this is a money management issue rather than anything else.

If a set method of risk is used or set rules for max risk as a percentage of equity then there is no effect by new investment coming in.

Lot sizes scale along with the investment capital.

If someone was trading profitable for a year and then was to blow up in a day, the abs gain would give you no red flags of this at all.

It is not a functional metric really.

fxinvesta
May 29 2016 at 17:59
107 posts
5starsignalspamm posted:


the abs gain is essential because, or, you increase each time the trader can increase it or lose all your capital in a moment


In regards to this, this is a money management issue rather than anything else.

If a set method of risk is used or set rules for max risk as a percentage of equity then there is no effect by new investment coming in.

Lot sizes scale along with the investment capital.

If someone was trading profitable for a year and then was to blow up in a day, the abs gain would give you no red flags of this at all.

It is not a functional metric really.


Should read attentively the forum, your surprise you with huge profits systems that burn new followers ....

Risk comes from not knowing what you're doing.
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5starsignalspamm
May 29 2016 at 18:07
184 posts


Should read attentively the forum, your surprise you with huge profits systems that burn new followers ....


Martingale, grid ... toxic tendencies.

Unsustainable strategies.

Nothing at all to do with the abs gain man.

Bad strategies are bad strategies and the toxic tendencies ones LOOK good for a while and then crash.

Abs gain is irrelevant.

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5starsignalspamm
May 29 2016 at 18:08
184 posts
5starsignalspamm posted:


Should read attentively the forum, your surprise you with huge profits systems that burn new followers ....


Martingale, grid ... toxic tendencies.

Unsustainable strategies.

Nothing at all to do with the abs gain man.

Bad strategies are bad strategies and the toxic tendencies ones LOOK good for a while and then crash.

Abs gain is irrelevant.




neoxis
May 29 2016 at 18:14
23 posts
fxinvesta posted:
5starsignalspamm posted:
fxinvesta posted:
I am not criticizing, just put the data, the real gain is 1.39%, if my intention was to criticize, I would say that a gain of 6% a year in a market risk, is ridiculous, there are safer investments, if your looking a return like that.


I personally think the TWR is the variable to track otherwise cash ins and cash outs skew the PL.

We do PAMMs so tracking abs gains is redundant.

We trade selectively and may not trade for a few weeks or a month.

If we do that and we bring in new investment in that time, our abs gain drops through the time we are flat.

So we can sit aside and wait for the better opportunities for a month and be in a draw down in abs gain.

In fact, a successful PAMM is likely to downtrend in abs gain as it attracts new investments.

The abs gain give absolutely no indication of the net profitability of the accounts.

To call the abs gain the 'real gain' would be non reflective.

For a simple example, if there was $2,000 in and it made 100%, there is $4,000 with $2,000 profit.

The system looks good, more money is thrown in.

Let's say $100,000 goes in, the abs gain is now 1%, even though over the time period before this any money in the account will have doubled.

Lets say this was over a year, we have a gain of about 8% a month on this system and for that a DD of 15-20% would be good.

Working on abs gain, the DD is 200x more than the average monthly gain, which is horrific and not fit for investment.

But on the TWR, the real gain, it is 1:3 ratio and statistically unlikely to lose 2 quarters in a years, very good looking investment.

So from a money manager/investor perspective, abs gains are totally pointless as a metric to track.


oK very well all, but I can not know if you increase your investors, or you're raising money because your operations need ... and as here the game is between followed and followers, (A game that I do not, for being absurd), the abs gain is essential because, or, you increase each time the trader can increase it or lose all your capital in a moment


Yeah sure...infact my DD 'is so dangerous! i deposit properly for cover my loss!'

ahahah seriously? But did you see my signal or what? Did you see the avarage dd? it's under 0.1% mostly. the maximum dd is 1.52% and i do not use leverage most of the times! Your concern can be valid of course in some aggressive martingale account but OF COURSE NOT IN MY OWN CASE.
Come on we are kidding us or we analyze seriously in here signals? these conjectures you said, are not my case and you know pretty well that. There is nothing more to say about it.

Change your mind , change your life , change your world.
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5starsignalspamm
May 29 2016 at 18:18
184 posts
neoxis posted:
fxinvesta posted:
5starsignalspamm posted:
fxinvesta posted:
I am not criticizing, just put the data, the real gain is 1.39%, if my intention was to criticize, I would say that a gain of 6% a year in a market risk, is ridiculous, there are safer investments, if your looking a return like that.


I personally think the TWR is the variable to track otherwise cash ins and cash outs skew the PL.

We do PAMMs so tracking abs gains is redundant.

We trade selectively and may not trade for a few weeks or a month.

If we do that and we bring in new investment in that time, our abs gain drops through the time we are flat.

So we can sit aside and wait for the better opportunities for a month and be in a draw down in abs gain.

In fact, a successful PAMM is likely to downtrend in abs gain as it attracts new investments.

The abs gain give absolutely no indication of the net profitability of the accounts.

To call the abs gain the 'real gain' would be non reflective.

For a simple example, if there was $2,000 in and it made 100%, there is $4,000 with $2,000 profit.

The system looks good, more money is thrown in.

Let's say $100,000 goes in, the abs gain is now 1%, even though over the time period before this any money in the account will have doubled.

Lets say this was over a year, we have a gain of about 8% a month on this system and for that a DD of 15-20% would be good.

Working on abs gain, the DD is 200x more than the average monthly gain, which is horrific and not fit for investment.

But on the TWR, the real gain, it is 1:3 ratio and statistically unlikely to lose 2 quarters in a years, very good looking investment.

So from a money manager/investor perspective, abs gains are totally pointless as a metric to track.


oK very well all, but I can not know if you increase your investors, or you're raising money because your operations need ... and as here the game is between followed and followers, (A game that I do not, for being absurd), the abs gain is essential because, or, you increase each time the trader can increase it or lose all your capital in a moment


Yeah sure...infact my DD 'is so dangerous! i deposit properly for cover my loss!'

ahahah seriously? But did you see my signal or what? Did you see the avarage dd? it's under 0.1% mostly. the maximum dd is 1.52% and i do not use leverage most of the times! Your concern can be valid of course in some aggressive martingale account but OF COURSE NOT IN MY OWN CASE.
Come on we are kidding us or we analyze seriously in here signals? these conjectures you said, are not my case and you know pretty well that. There is nothing more to say about it.




The lack of equity deviations indicating floating losses and the lack of high and unsustainable looking win rates to achieve your results make your results look a lot more attractive to watch than the other gentleman's I would say.

From the perspective of someone who spends a lot of time looking at money managers.

Both are too young to make a fair assessment but your abs gain 'issue' is a lot less bothersome to me than large equity/balance deviations.

fxinvesta
May 29 2016 at 18:19
107 posts
5starsignalspamm posted:
5starsignalspamm posted:


Should read attentively the forum, your surprise you with huge profits systems that burn new followers ....


Martingale, grid ... toxic tendencies.

Unsustainable strategies.

Nothing at all to do with the abs gain man.

Bad strategies are bad strategies and the toxic tendencies ones LOOK good for a while and then crash.

Abs gain is irrelevant.





martingales not generate pips, grids add only balance is easy to detect such players .... I respect your stance for my abs gain is important.


regards

Risk comes from not knowing what you're doing.
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5starsignalspamm
May 29 2016 at 18:20
184 posts
fxinvesta posted:
5starsignalspamm posted:
5starsignalspamm posted:


Should read attentively the forum, your surprise you with huge profits systems that burn new followers ....


Martingale, grid ... toxic tendencies.

Unsustainable strategies.

Nothing at all to do with the abs gain man.

Bad strategies are bad strategies and the toxic tendencies ones LOOK good for a while and then crash.

Abs gain is irrelevant.





martingales not generate pips, grids add only balance is easy to detect such players .... I respect your stance for my abs gain is important.


regards


I suspect your view point will change if you bring in more investors and see your abs gains dropping even when your making profits in the markets.

neoxis
May 29 2016 at 18:28
23 posts
And just for say. Just in case you had right and i deposit a lot of money just for cover eventually 'heavy' losses. Don't you think i would use a cent account or few bucks? If i'm interested to show a 'kamikaze scammer strategy' ?

I'm sorry but i don't think any person with mental sanity would risk 20k € REAL MONEY on a stupid strategy like that.
He would be such an idiot with all respect.

As i said i hate those people so much as you. For me that is not trading at all. Who push with lavarage either.

Who try to cheat with a demo/cent or whatever fake statement with unsustanable/automatic strategy is a loser in my own opinion just a lamer nothing can be compared neither far, call him a trader.


Change your mind , change your life , change your world.
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5starsignalspamm
May 29 2016 at 18:29
184 posts
neoxis posted:
And just for say. Just in case you had right and i deposit a lot of money just for cover eventually 'heavy' losses. Don't you think i would use a cent account or few bucks? If i'm interested to show a 'kamikaze scammer strategy' ?

I'm sorry but i don't think any person with mental sanity would risk 20k € REAL MONEY on a stupid strategy like that.
He would be such an idiot with all respect.

As i said i hate those people so much as you. For me that is not trading at all. Who push with lavarage either.

Who try to cheat with a demo/cent or whatever fake statement with unsustanable/automatic strategy is a loser in my own opinion just a lamer nothing can be compared neither far, call him a trader.




This would be seen in the equity DD. Abs gain is again a non variable in working out if this is happening.

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