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primeval-ea_v2.1-live-fxcbs (By primevalea )

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primeval-ea_v2.1-live-fxcbs Discussion

pc8multifx (pc8multifx)
Jul 28 2010 at 18:59
879 posts
This acc just proofs how bad your EA performs on live acc compared to the demo accounts. I have traded your first version on live account and it sucked big time....

 99.99% of the expert advisor sellers out there fail to provide enough evidence to consider their systems worth buying or testing.
 The evidence is simple to provide if you truly have a LONG TERM profitable system, something you just don't have.

SolarFX (forexma)
Jul 28 2010 at 19:14
1332 posts
pc8multifx posted:
    This acc just proofs how bad your EA performs on live acc compared to the demo accounts. I have traded your first version on live account and it sucked big time....

 99.99% of the expert advisor sellers out there fail to provide enough evidence to consider their systems worth buying or testing.
 The evidence is simple to provide if you truly have a LONG TERM profitable system, something you just don't have.


Wake up man, the word 'bad' cannot be used here. 73% profit in 2 month is everything else but bad.
Pay attention that this is one of the few sellers showing live results(real money) and that's something you haven't done yet. You're showing only demo results with hidden trades but you're offering managed account services. For me not showing live account results speaks enough about how much you trust your strategies.
If we look at this account: https://www.myfxbook.com/members/pc8multifx/pc-u-j-max/4371 we see that it suffered a big loss/DD of 48% when for a whole year it gained 62%.
So before criticizing someone else please look at yourself first.

"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
primevalea
Jul 28 2010 at 19:17
449 posts
The only one that sucks here is you!
This account is great and you know it!
The demo accounts don't have the same settings
as the live accounts, they're more aggressive and
trading all pairs FYI!!

Besides you know that live accounts always tend to
perform less profitable than demo accounts so don't
say bullshits because you know it!!

Money makes more money $ ... $$$
primevalea
Jul 28 2010 at 19:18
449 posts
Hey I didn't know about this: https://www.myfxbook.com/members/pc8multifx/pc-u-j-max/4371
That also really sucks 😈, now I know why he removed his systems.

Money makes more money $ ... $$$
pc8multifx (pc8multifx)
Jul 28 2010 at 19:24
879 posts
As I already mentioned , u are to dump to read...😝

SolarFX (forexma)
Jul 28 2010 at 19:34
1332 posts

pc8multifx posted:
    As I already mentioned , u are to dump to read...😝


I have to say that few times I see you saying that pips don't buy you food from the grocery. Well.... I have to say that demo profits don't buy you food either. I don't wanna offend anybody but what I see here is one person is showing real money results which are quite good and the other person in the role of the critic is showing only demo results.

"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
pc8multifx (pc8multifx)
Jul 28 2010 at 19:50
879 posts
forexma posted:
    
pc8multifx posted:
    As I already mentioned , u are to dump to read...😝


I have to say that few times I see you saying that pips don't buy you food from the grocery. Well.... I have to say that demo profits don't buy you food either. I don't wanna offend anybody but what I see here is one person is showing real money results which are quite good and the other person in the role of the critic is showing only demo results.




Sorry,wrong. He started today out of the blue to write BS on my page...since I'm not in the commercial EA seller business I don't know why he attacked my systems
https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/xpipstrendmulti/15915,1#?pt=2&p=3&o=15915
And BTW as an ex user of his product I have the right to express my opinion I think.
I run long time demo tests for my private systems, something every commercial guy should do as a must before releasing crap to the public.

bluemele
Jul 28 2010 at 21:30
272 posts
pc8multifx,

I agree with the other guys. Demo is nothing more than demo. I have and have had EA's that will blow your demo results out of the water, but they only work on DEMO! (which is too bad..)

You do actively market for investors whether it be buying your EA, or buying your signals or whatever, you are still selling something of value (some greater than others) for compensation.

I find it funny that to me myfxbook.com would be a portal to make friends, comrades, compadres, or whatever you want to call them while building yourself into a better trader. But mostly it is just a 'look at me' or 'buy me' or whatever in that it is obvious that none of us are making good trading occur, or otherwise we wouldn't be trying to scam new investors out of their dollars.

If you are a really good trader with a good system, why do we need to market anything? You can say, well, we don't want to put all of our eggs in one basket or we don't have the financial capacity...

Well, all eggs in one basket, fine, but DEMO is 0 eggs! And, financial capacity is a few months away when you show someone that you are a good trader! I know I would and many others would invest in such systems if they are legit and LIVE!!!! :)

Demo is for games, REAL is real.... If someone wants to play DEMO games, then they should stick to computer games, not FOREX.

I also love this new vouch system. It is comical as the people who are 'vouched' are supposed to be the more 'expert'. I figure they are probably the people who are just better at extracting cash from unsuspecting investors. :)

Let's all just play nice, evaluate, help each other out and before you know it we are all earning 1M+ per month! :)

Gil

Be Open, honest and ethical and all the $$$ you want will come. (hint hint)
primevalea
Jul 29 2010 at 00:48
449 posts
pc8multifx posted:
    
forexma posted:
    
pc8multifx posted:
    As I already mentioned , u are to dump to read...😝


I have to say that few times I see you saying that pips don't buy you food from the grocery. Well.... I have to say that demo profits don't buy you food either. I don't wanna offend anybody but what I see here is one person is showing real money results which are quite good and the other person in the role of the critic is showing only demo results.




Sorry,wrong. He started today out of the blue to write BS on my page...since I'm not in the commercial EA seller business I don't know why he attacked my systems
https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/xpipstrendmulti/15915,1#?pt=2&p=3&o=15915
And BTW as an ex user of his product I have the right to express my opinion I think.
I run long time demo tests for my private systems, something every commercial guy should do as a must before releasing crap to the public.



Ex user? I don't think you were a legitimate customer, maybe you simply got an illegal copy once for the old version 1.0,
version 2.1 is completely different and kicks your ass pc8multifx,

Just look at the statements:

Gain: +76.09%
Pips: 1510.9

all of this in just 2 months and the most important thing of all, it's a REAL LIVE MONEY ACCOUNT
and yours is a SHITTY DEMO which just gained a little more than that in 6 months and with a shitty total pips of -14126.6, how ugly is that to offer managed accounts, you have no class 😎

Money makes more money $ ... $$$
primevalea
Jul 29 2010 at 00:51
449 posts
Of course you don't sell your crappy martingale EA cause nobody would buy it, I repeat

Martingale EAs == Account Blowers -> it's that simple 😁!!

Money makes more money $ ... $$$
Steve B (stevetrade)
Jul 29 2010 at 07:05
1415 posts
Come on folks, let's try and keep it polite. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and neither of you are doing your professional status any favours by acting like teenagers.

11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
Jarora
Jul 29 2010 at 07:07
371 posts
Primeval v2.1 is for two live accounts?

CasTrader
Jul 29 2010 at 11:19
27 posts
Bit out of line there pc8, i have to say. Rubbishing 76% gain in 2 months with small d/d is no mean feat and as it's on a live acc, why the hating?

primevalea
Jul 29 2010 at 15:18
449 posts
Jarora posted:
    Primeval v2.1 is for two live accounts?


Yes, the $600 you pay is for 2 live accounts.

Money makes more money $ ... $$$
Steve B (stevetrade)
Jul 29 2010 at 15:22
1415 posts
Are those backtests generated on London session spreads or Asian session spreads?

11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
primevalea
Jul 29 2010 at 17:17
449 posts
stevetrade posted:
    Are those backtests generated on London session spreads or Asian session spreads?



This only matters on some Brokers like FXPro who widen their spreads on Asian Sessions to keep great EAs like Primeval unprofitable. This is not the case for FXCBS, TheCollectiveFX, JadeFX or ATC Brokers for example where spreads are the same on all sessions.

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Steve B (stevetrade)
Jul 29 2010 at 17:48
1415 posts
Wow, you said that while keeping your face straight 😄

Okay, so ATC last I heard still used the FXCM data feed and here is FXCM's spread for 19th -23 July 2010 for GBP/CHF ( as an example )

https://www.mt4i.com/spread/BrokerSpreadChart.aspx?symbolid=16&broker=21

Jade FX I actually have an account with. I dropped the development of my own Asian Session scalper as I couldn't get the spread I was getting during the London session.

I used to have an account with FXCBS and to be honest would advise anyone about placing more than about $10 with them ( as indeed do the folks over at Forex Peace Army ). I found their order fulfillment and price feed highly dubious during the Asian session.

The Collective FX, must admit I've heard good things about so I'll put them in the unknown category.

Even Dukascopy the ECN broker with the highest liquidity - I noticed you had picked only ECN brokers - can't give the same spreads and order fulfillment in the Asian session. I know I have a copy of Fap Turbo Swiss ( for my sins ).

We aren't as green as we're cabbage looking over here, please don't treat us as such 😄



11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
primevalea
Jul 29 2010 at 18:02
449 posts
Well, as I'm selling a Scalper EA I choose ECN Brokers which are the best option for this strategy due to the good spreads and the fact that they're 'happy' if your account grows and they get more commissions unlike Market Makers who just hedges against clients and want their account to be wiped as soon as possible.

As you know the other public live account is this:
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/primevalea/primeval-ea-v21-live-collectivefx/41517

The most important thing here is that results are with real money and customers report to get the same performance on their live accounts with the same Brokers We're using.

People have also reported success with other Brokers like Tadawul, Sparens, Alpari UK Pro, etc.

On the following forum We also use to discuss about Primeval:
https://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=1955.450

Money makes more money $ ... $$$
Steve B (stevetrade)
Jul 29 2010 at 18:15
1415 posts
I'm not questioning the results - which do look good - and your risk/reward ratio for a scalper is nice.

All I asked is whether the backtests were generated during the London session or the Asian session?

If they were generated during the London session then I'd like to see some backtests generated during the period the EA actually trades in, if that's possible.

11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
primevalea
Jul 29 2010 at 18:30
449 posts
stevetrade posted:
    I'm not questioning the results - which do look good - and your risk/reward ratio for a scalper is nice.

All I asked is whether the backtests were generated during the London session or the Asian session?

If they were generated during the London session then I'd like to see some backtests generated during the period the EA actually trades in, if that's possible.



Well, it's strange that after showing live results with real money someone asks about backtests when normally it's the other way 😉

Currently I don't worry much about backtests as they're great anyway, I wouldn't mind to offer you a copy so that you make backtests yourself with Alpari UK or Dukascopy tick data if you can do that and publish it in your blog.

In fact, those backtests on the main website are a little outdated especially for some currency pairs because there were several modifications not reflected there yet.

Those backtests were done using Alpari UK Platform and as far as I remember on Asian Session.

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