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'[17.05.2011 22:33:50] Michael Remshu: Hello
[17.05.2011 22:33:57 | Изменены 22:34:00] Michael Remshu: can i help you?
[17.05.2011 22:34:41] MG: Yes, this is Milan you are speaking to me on the other chat, I am trying to resolve this with liberty reserve to pay you 300 USD
[17.05.2011 22:35:08] Michael Remshu: yes, ok.
[17.05.2011 22:36:53] Michael Remshu: many who want to buy the system and invest, so a little confused in the contacts.
[17.05.2011 22:37:13] MG: no problem
[17.05.2011 22:37:23] MG: I contacted you first, then I saw your skype
[17.05.2011 22:37:58] Michael Remshu: ok
[17.05.2011 22:49:37] Michael Remshu: I'm going, I will later after 5-7 hours. Payment may, at any time, I'll know about it and went Winner-x to your email address
[17.05.2011 22:49:45] Michael Remshu: good luck
[17.05.2011 22:51:35] MG: ok
[18.05.2011 8:46:01] MG: Hello , just to let you know I have transferred money from my credit card to LR - and need to wait 24 hours or so, will confirm and email before sending
[18.05.2011 8:47:12] Michael Remshu: hello
[18.05.2011 8:47:16] Michael Remshu: ok
[18.05.2011 16:52:41] MG: michael centergold.ca are verifying my funds, will confirm today once I know more
[18.05.2011 16:52:45] MG: how is the trading going
[18.05.2011 16:53:29] MG: wanted to ask if it did provide me with signals when the time comes and lets me know when to enter and my stop loss, and also my Take profit
[18.05.2011 16:53:54] MG: or how does that work, do you have a screen shot on how it works or the manual and will you support me if I need help thanks
[18.05.2011 17:37:52] Michael Remshu: Hello
[18.05.2011 17:38:22] Michael Remshu: Yes, I'm all give advice during an appearance signals. A signal we are together with you to discuss it. Do not worry about it.
[18.05.2011 17:38:34] MG: ok, thanks
[18.05.2011 17:38:49] MG: also I will advertise for you on FXBook if you wish and help you on other forums
[18.05.2011 17:38:52] MG: if you want
[18.05.2011 17:39:47] Michael Remshu: as you want
[19.05.2011 6:22:54] Michael Remshu: hello, you'll have to buy libertyreserve?
[19.05.2011 6:24:43] MG: yes I did buy funds from centregold.ca am waiting for them to verify have sent them my details and passport copy so need to wait
[19.05.2011 6:25:04] MG: sorry about this, but Liberty reserve is a problematic way to pay
[19.05.2011 6:25:12] MG: Have you been trading today and yesterday?
[19.05.2011 6:25:47] Michael Remshu: yes, yesterday
[19.05.2011 6:26:17] MG: how was that, you doing much better than what you mention in fxbook
[19.05.2011 6:27:59] Michael Remshu: on fxbook update the information in during hour
[19.05.2011 6:28:58] MG: ok, good, Once I get it and try it I will certainly place more details on your page so people know that is involves real trading and it's allows you to make money
[19.05.2011 6:34:28] Michael Remshu: if you have friends who want to buy a Winner-X I am ready to offer you 20% of the cost of 1000 USD .... that is your 200 USD.
[19.05.2011 6:38:46] MG: If this works, then I will have some friends who will invest the money with you, but how much do you charge monthly percentage?
[19.05.2011 6:40:08] MG: have you paid of the bank that lent you the 20K ?
[19.05.2011 6:54:44] Michael Remshu: I took a loan against my car. I take 17% of their profits ... 83% of your as an investor. Minimum of 10 000 USD. Work only through Grand Capital, as they have a convenient account management system called LAMM .... Here is my account https://winner-x.com/rating.htm , you open an account and connect. It's simple.
[19.05.2011 6:59:45] MG: Ok, Lets see if we can do something after I have gotten the software,
[19.05.2011 6:59:54] MG: You cannot do it with another broker?
[19.05.2011 7:01:13] Michael Remshu: Winner-X runs on all brokers. That to me is more convenient to manage money in this company.
[19.05.2011 7:02:32] MG: because I know my friends have account somewhere else, but they do have some money they can invest in, but can you guarantee that you will make some profit of the accounts, if they do invest 10K
[19.05.2011 7:06:25] Michael Remshu: I guarantee that their account will have the same profit as on my account.
[19.05.2011 7:06:53] MG: ok, good, lets see what we can do
[19.05.2011 7:07:26] MG: i can get many clients for you, but we shall have to it slowly
[19.05.2011 7:07:37] MG: however it won't be with a russian broker
[19.05.2011 7:07:42] MG: it will have to be somewhere else
[19.05.2011 7:08:17] MG: but will need to speak to my friends after all is ok and if you do well, there will be endless clients I can guarantee that
[19.05.2011 7:08:34] Michael Remshu: ok, no problem
[19.05.2011 7:09:14] Michael Remshu: I think we agree
[19.05.2011 7:11:10] MG: well I can only say for now, if things go well, would be willing to sign a contract with my friends and his friends to work soley for them, and make your 17% all the time, but you cannot then do it for anyone else, as they would bring you more clients
[19.05.2011 7:13:09] Michael Remshu: OK, as you are ready discuss the terms so try to agreement...
[19.05.2011 7:14:11] MG: yes, soon I will confirm this with you and if you are willing to work for them, then I am sure it will benefit you, but if you also have more proof over longer period is better as on FXBook is only 1 month as such
[19.05.2011 7:15:13] Michael Remshu: Once this is my account
[19.05.2011 7:16:20] MG: right, anyhow we shall come to terms when the time is done, this will be in the next few weeks if the software is good as you claim we can work out on the details
[19.05.2011 7:28:08] Michael Remshu: ok
[19.05.2011 16:28:10] MG: MIchael, got a problem the credit card company didn't authorize the transaction I have found out from centergold.ca this morning. I will contact them and find out. Is it possible if there is any other way to send you the money, as this way it seemed doomed, I don't know why LR should make life so complicated to transfer money.
[19.05.2011 17:33:47 | Изменены 17:34:09] Michael Remshu: tell me pls your country?
[19.05.2011 17:34:30] MG: peru
[19.05.2011 17:35:53] Michael Remshu: western union https://www.westernunion.com.pe/WUCOMWEB/staticMid.do?method=load&countryCode=PE&languageCode=sp&pagename=HomePage
[19.05.2011 17:36:16] Michael Remshu: or VISA/Master Card but 2-3 bank days...
[19.05.2011 17:37:11] MG: prefer credit card, but don't know who
[19.05.2011 17:37:30 | Изменены 17:37:38] Michael Remshu: you want pay via your card?
[19.05.2011 17:37:41] MG: yes,
[19.05.2011 17:37:45] Michael Remshu: one moment
[19.05.2011 17:40:47] Michael Remshu: 1) https://load.payoneer.com/LoadToPage.aspx
2) Select: By Payoneer Card Number
3) Enter full Payoneer card number (16 digits): _
4) Amount to load: 300 USD
5) Select: I will pay the fee
6) continue....
wait 2-3 bank days
[19.05.2011 17:42:13] MG: the card number is not known it says
[19.05.2011 17:43:20] Michael Remshu: sorry: _
[19.05.2011 17:43:58] MG: the name is _
[19.05.2011 17:44:02] MG: correct?
[19.05.2011 17:44:35] Michael Remshu: yes, its my brother, he have this card for payment
[19.05.2011 17:48:41] MG: ok, its done
[19.05.2011 17:48:47] MG: you will receive money in 2 days
[19.05.2011 17:51:05] *** MG отправил Confirmation.pdf ***
[19.05.2011 17:51:24] MG: this is the confirmation of payment to your card
[19.05.2011 18:05:20] Michael Remshu: one moment pls
[19.05.2011 18:10:38] Michael Remshu: ok, wait 2 days ...
[19.05.2011 18:22:32] MG: did you trade today
[19.05.2011 18:44:09] Michael Remshu: yes
[19.05.2011 19:49:32] MG: Michael
[19.05.2011 19:49:37] MG: got a confirmation from Payoneer
[19.05.2011 19:49:58] MG: Thank you for your Credit Card payment!

Your credit card payment for $311.69 was approved by our processor.

Your Payment Reference Number is: _.

Once approved internally, Payoneer will load $300.00 (minus any applicable fees) on the requested card within approximately two business days and notify the cardholder by e-mail that their card has been loaded.
[19.05.2011 19:50:37] MG: please confirm that you can perhaps email me software to _
[19.05.2011 19:50:39] MG: thanks
[19.05.2011 21:33:13] Michael Remshu: Payment ID: 2250376
Payment Date (EST.): 05/19/2011 09:48

Load Status: Processed, Est load date on 05/23/11 12:00:00 AM
Amount to Load: $300.00 (applicable fees will apply)
Estimated load date (EST.): 05/23/2011 00:00
Loader details: _
[19.05.2011 21:33:29] Michael Remshu: Estimated load date (EST.): 05/23/2011 00:00
[19.05.2011 21:33:45] Michael Remshu: then i send to you winner-x
[19.05.2011 21:37:58] MG: yes that is it
[19.05.2011 21:59:26] MG: you are sending me the winner-x now, the payment will go through do not worry, as there is no cancellation on this,
[19.05.2011 21:59:47] MG: so that I can see and start to trade, then also talk about the other options like mentioned to you yesterday
[19.05.2011 22:13:59] Michael Remshu: I told you so, that payment will take 2-3 days ... and only then will I send the winner-x .... The problem is that this payment may be withdrawn during the 2 days ... and you can get the system and return the money and I'll be deceived ... Please do not misunderstand me correctly .... suggest to wait 2 days ... and when the payment log in then I will fulfill my commitment.
[19.05.2011 22:16:03] MG: I understand, but honestly I wouldn't do that, I have no times for playing with people, specially also understand you are going to help to grow the people I introduce you to, so there must be a trust otherwise business can never be done
[19.05.2011 22:17:54] Michael Remshu: understand correctly. Me once cheated ... suggest just wait 2 days ...
[8:37:03] MG: hello michael
[8:37:22] MG: please confirm payment was received already
[8:37:48] MG: as i have an email confirmation from payoneer
[8:38:10] MG: Your load request has been completed!

$311.69 has been loaded onto _'s Prepaid debit MasterCard®, as a result of your order.

We have also notified the cardholder that these funds are now available.
[8:38:54] MG: please email to _
[8:38:58] MG: thanks
[10:59:55] Michael Remshu: Hello! Yes. During in hour i will send Winner-X to you
[11:26:33] Michael Remshu: I am not near my computer, I write from the phone, as I will now have a laptop and then send the system.
[15:43:17] MG: hello, you told me this 4 hours ago and haven;t still received the system? What is going on
[15:48:24] Michael Remshu: hello! 15 minutes pls
[15:48:43] Michael Remshu: i going in home
[16:09:21 | Изменены 16:09:32] Michael Remshu: I sent winner-x
[16:19:34] MG: where did you send it
[16:20:27] Michael Remshu: to your e-mail
[16:20:44] *** Michael Remshu отправил winner-x.zip ***
[16:27:09] MG: you will send me the updates every month correct?
[16:30:35] MG: does it show me the indicators?
[16:34:12] MG: there are no buy or sell indication as you told me
[16:34:20] MG: also no S/L like you mentioned
[16:34:23] MG: What is this?
[16:36:40] Michael Remshu: 1) Update you will receive each month
2) loss closes to the opposite signal, as well as profit
[16:38:05] MG: but how do I know when I should trade. as there are no arrows showing me to buy or sell?
[16:40:29] MG: you are showing arrows in your manual but not on the system
[16:42:22] Michael Remshu: in the system and without arrows is easy to understand exactly what you ene clear in the description? in the next update I'll make sure the arrows
[16:46:30] MG: what do you mean the deal is only opened 3-5 minutes until the current hour?
[16:47:35] MG: where is the sell option? there are no examples of selling?
[16:47:53] MG: only you have examples of buying but not selling
[16:48:44] MG: you told me since we spoke there would be indicators with this system
[16:48:46] MG: there arenot
[16:48:53] MG: this is really not what you said it would be
[16:49:11] Michael Remshu: one moment!
[16:50:18] Michael Remshu: in the description are examples, it says when to sell and when to buy. When there is a signal I'll tell you in Skype
[16:51:00] MG: ok I will await for that, as your manual and examples there is nothing about selling, only examples of buying
[16:51:30] MG: doesn't it even tell you when to enter - ie a sound or anything
[16:51:35] Michael Remshu: for option 1...SELL: When the 7-th in a row yellow column is in the positive zone, and the gray column in the negative.
[16:51:50] Michael Remshu: for 2... SELL: When the gray column crossed the level of -17 negative zone from the top down.
[16:52:16] MG: When the gray column crossed the level of -17 negative zone from the top down. what does that mean from top down?
[16:53:59] *** Michael Remshu отправил ex.gif ***
[17:03:46] MG: what does 3 - 5 mins mean of the hour?
[17:04:20] MG: this system isn't easy as you mention it to be,
let me know any trades you take so I can also check
[17:35:21] MG: please explain you say 3-5 minutes but yoru trades take longer than that, please explain
[17:52:41] MG: When you take a trade please let me know so I can see
[17:56:22] MG: I think I want a refund since you are not answering and not telling me exactly or replying that means you have supplied me with someone that doesn't work
[18:50:19] Michael Remshu: stop
[18:52:48] Michael Remshu: What refund? In the description of all written when to buy and when to sell. I will also say that if the signal is then I'll let you know and discuss. I'm also told that if I did not immediately answered then I do not have Skype, but I will tell you. Your version also identified, and if suddenly I learn that it is somewhere in the internet freely available then you automatically lose the update and my support. On the return can not be considered. You got my system. I pick it can not, it's not a machine, not the bread ... sorry for my english...
[18:55:45] MG: I am not one of those who's waste's time to give other people the system that i paid for, that is no excuse, all I want is good support and update, you told me something before I purchased it from you, saying that it will tell you when to buy or sell and gives you a S/L - none of this is taken placce, its completley manual, just because you have trading experience doesn't mean everyone else does


furthermore you need to answer me when I am asking you something,

I asked you what was that 3-5 minutes for a trade? How is that possible when you spend hours on trade according to your FXbook account
[18:57:17] Michael Remshu:
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mgvaio 20 minutes ago
Bought the system from Michael. Was promised something and wasn't delivered, furthermore said it had indication when to buy or sell and it's just related to a MACD platform. What he is selling here is a scam, I paid a lot of money to get this and he doesn't even support it as he doesn't know how to too.

A trade should be only be opened for 3 to 5 minutes, that is scalping then a intraday system, and plus be ready to be glued on your screen.

very annoyed and disappointed.
[18:57:20] Michael Remshu: what is it?
[18:58:23] MG: I asked you to help me and you just disappeared, it's funny how you were online last week and now if I ask you for help you are offline.
[18:58:51 | Изменены 18:58:57] Michael Remshu: I also write that if not immediately answer, then I do not have a computer. It is difficult to understand? that in the hysteria?
[18:59:21] MG: if you spent 300 usd, wouldn't you anticiapte a service?????
[18:59:37] MG: or you would just spend and not know if you told me how the system would workk
[18:59:39] Michael Remshu: price of system 1000 USD!!!
[19:00:27] MG: I think you perhaps have misunderstood me is that why you provided me with a system that doens't work or half the system
[19:00:58] MG: You can be assued I will file more negatives for you and your collegues if this isn't resolved for me properly
[19:01:14] Michael Remshu: You behaved abominably, and lied about me on the forum! so I stop communicating with you until I get an apology on the forum from you ...
[19:01:52] MG: There is no apology here, you need to learn and how to deal with clients I have paid or for something which you haven't provided
[19:03:41] Michael Remshu: If within 10 hours not be an apology from me on forum ... You are no longer any information you get. So business people themselves do not lead. Good luck.
[19:04:04] MG: There isnt an aplogy
[19:04:38] MG: my credit card has been contacted and I will make sure there is furthere damage to your website according to negative side of lying to customers
[19:08:26] Michael Remshu: 10 hours'

how did MG buy this system for $300 when Michael is selling the system for $1000?

Oh well.