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Is forex gambling?

David (Forex4you_user)
Mar 19 2013 at 10:09
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Чувак, да у тебя башню сорвало со своим Богом! Может тебе лучше быть церковным служителем, а не трейдером😇
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Oaktree
Mar 19 2013 at 10:39
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Ironman posted:

1. There is no God... Not of any kind. If there was, why would he/she/it let the world be the way it is. Forget it. You'll do yourself a huge favour. According to religions there are over 2000+ gods. One more or less will not make any difference.

Hi Ironman, I have good news for you. God came to earth and became man 2000 years ago, His Name was Jesus, to deal with the problems menkind has. He promised to come back to clean up the whole mess man made. All the best!
Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 19 2013 at 10:39
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If forex is a gambling than would be nice if we just go to the casino 😇 ? because we will get the fun and no stressful like this damn forex 😡, i always get small profit but when i loss it will be very big 😭, and when i get profit i will scared if the price will go back and cause me lose that profit so i closed it too early, i really tired to collecting my tiny profit about 15 times and it will be gone in just 1 -3 losses 😭, so if want to make real money forex/futures/index is not the thing (my opinion), maybe this just for people who like to get his/her heart going beat like crazy 😉, as far as i know from 100000 people in the world maybe just 1 that really get real money from this damn games. FYI i already losses around us $ 45000 in 12 different account in just about 1 year.
I keep thinking if i go to casino with 45000 maybe i can get 100000 or maybe more or loss all of it like on the forex but at least i get the fun not stress like on the forex, are you agree with me? 😁
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Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 19 2013 at 10:39
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Depends on who is right. If the muslims are right, I bet that the jews and christians go first. If the christians are right, the muslims will go first. (And also, it depends on which of the 4000+ christian divisions is right, it might be that the other 3999 other christian communities goes first.)

So, basically, I'm not worried.

Is Christian and moeslem shared the same God? why we discuss about religion now? lol
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Ironman
Mar 19 2013 at 10:58
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Starlabs: You really need to read and implement the book 'Trading in the Zone'.
You will never get rich in a casino, since the odds are against you, always. But you need a solid system on Forex, of course. And stay away from Martingale.


Oaktree:
Well, my parents also told me Santa was real, and all of a sudden admitted that they lied about that.
God seems like the same kind of story.

'Clean up the whole mess'? He is doing a pretty fracking lousy job. Why are the children starving in Africa? If I was a merciful god, I'd take care of that problem right away.
Or he enjoys watching them suffer?

So, why are the other 2000+ gods non-existent? Why are everyone else wrong?

I want some evidence. Show it to me.
Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 19 2013 at 14:53
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Ironman posted:
Starlabs: You really need to read and implement the book 'Trading in the Zone'.
You will never get rich in a casino, since the odds are against you, always. But you need a solid system on Forex, of course. And stay away from Martingale.


Oaktree:
Well, my parents also told me Santa was real, and all of a sudden admitted that they lied about that.
God seems like the same kind of story.

'Clean up the whole mess'? He is doing a pretty fracking lousy job. Why are the children starving in Africa? If I was a merciful god, I'd take care of that problem right away.
Or he enjoys watching them suffer?

So, why are the other 2000+ gods non-existent? Why are everyone else wrong?

I want some evidence. Show it to me.

Maybe that is not God will at all, you ever watch movie called blood diamond? on that movie show a little what really happened at Africa, but God show His mercy by helping with the help of some org like UNESCO, UNICEF or others people who cares, but what makes that people suffer is people it self not because God don't loves them, and if everything went wrong and Gods will help them just like second and abracadabra the problem is gone of course He can but that will make human much more worst than human are now, all human will be much more lazy and don't want to work their problem (and their problem usually they make it self not because God make them suffer) and they will hope that all their problem will be solved by itself by miracles of God. Basically God already prepared everything we needed in this world all we have to do just to take it. Which better if you starved i give you food or i teach you how to grow wheat or rice so you will never starved again? so that what God want from us.He want us to learn from our mistake.
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Ironman
Mar 19 2013 at 15:09
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Kindness of humanity doesn't come from religion. It preceeds it.

Anyway, why does some religious people say no to medical care, when it might be just that way that God works?
Since you say he would work that way in Africa?
Why does the catholic church say no to the use of condoms, when that might be something that saves millions of lives in the long run?


Let's face it, he gave mankind free will, and then drowned them because they didn't do what he wanted.
He built the universe in 7 days.
Not to mention that he can listen to 1,3 billion people praying to him at the same time... Not that he answers, but he is said to listen.

Nah, dude. Christianity is so contradictive that it just cannot be true. And if you involve the other religions, Islam being a big one with almost as many believers.
And what about the 800 miljon hindu, with all their hundreds of gods.


Proof, man. Proof. Otherwise it is just blind faith, and that is like looking in a black room for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it.

You wouldn't spend your Forex-$$ on something as vague as religion.
Bisho777
Mar 20 2013 at 13:31
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a proof of what u want?!
Ironman
Mar 20 2013 at 15:17
70 ieraksti
Talking weird, you are.
Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 21 2013 at 11:18
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Ironman posted:
Kindness of humanity doesn't come from religion. It preceeds it.

Anyway, why does some religious people say no to medical care, when it might be just that way that God works?
Since you say he would work that way in Africa?
Why does the catholic church say no to the use of condoms, when that might be something that saves millions of lives in the long run?


Let's face it, he gave mankind free will, and then drowned them because they didn't do what he wanted.
He built the universe in 7 days.
Not to mention that he can listen to 1,3 billion people praying to him at the same time... Not that he answers, but he is said to listen.

Nah, dude. Christianity is so contradictive that it just cannot be true. And if you involve the other religions, Islam being a big one with almost as many believers.
And what about the 800 miljon hindu, with all their hundreds of gods.


Proof, man. Proof. Otherwise it is just blind faith, and that is like looking in a black room for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it.

You wouldn't spend your Forex-$$ on something as vague as religion.

 God never want bad thing happen on humans all i say is all bad things that happen in this world that all is human fault or maybe evil who did it, if you want some proof like video or pictures i cant give you but i give you proof on His miracles, if you never saw it before just search on youtube there many who ever get miracles on that site, actually i saw it myself someone who born paralayzed suddenly cured and it happen to me to even on the defferent miracles, all you have to do just have some FAITH because all God want just have FAITH, if you don't believed in God i can understand i bet you must be Russian right? because that culture had been for centuries on your communist country, i cant give you all the rightest answers for all your question because i not priest.
     If you want to know more just read bible or ask to priest, but i assured to you God never ask many thing to get His love just have Faith in Him than He will hug you and never let you go. and if you say God can't listen 1,3 billions prays WHO ARE YOU so you can judge Him what He capable or not capable to do? MANY IS CALLED BUT FEW IS CHOSE so if you want God saves all the people He will not, because He said so on Bible, who lives on His way and have Faith will be save and chose by Him and for example who is not on His list is people like you who doesn't believed in Him and dare to challenge Him. I just say this to you He doesn't need human He loves them but if you try to think this, it is possible that a father loves his son who disobedience against him?
     And i want to ask you do you believe in ghost?
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Ironman
Mar 21 2013 at 12:40
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Why does he perform the odd miracle (that might not be a miracle) when he leaves all the other things (starvation, war etc.)?
He is not a loveable God, then... he is a cruel, vicious bastard.

No, I'm not Russian, and definetly not communist. I THINK, therefor I'm an atheist.

If you want to believe that a 2000-year old book that says the world is 4-6000 years old, holds the truth, that is fine, but don't tell me that you THINK about it. You blindly follow.


I've read the bible. I've also even read some of the books that were excluded from the bible since it didn't suit the rulers at the time. (The catholic church, that is.)
There are sooooo many contradictions in the bible, it is just silly to even discuss it. Especially at this day and age.


So, what do you have to say to all the billions of people that believe otherwise? Are they wrong? Even if they believe just as blindly as you? Muslims?
And what about all the people who have never heard of christianity? Automatically going to hell?

NAh, this is like Santa. Give us some proof, or it is just humbug.
(And with proof I mean proof, not some corny video of a doubtful miracle or the 'believed' face of Jesus on a toast.)

Ghosts? That is more likely, but the same thing goes there. Proof, man. Proof. Until then it is just fairytales.

C (CESTRADES)
Mar 21 2013 at 17:06
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TheCyclist posted:
At least one of my strategies have no risk at all, I can easily do 30% a year no problem. Which is about what Warren Buffet does.

So if you know what you're doing this is very far from gambling.

Problem is, who wants to do 30% a year ? More you want to do, more of a gamble it becomes.
True, everything in life is a gamble; esp when it comes to money. No risk no reward, if you don't play, you won't get paid. If I took 10k to a casino and expected to return with only 5k net, for me, it wouldn't happen. Why, cause casinos are pastime PLAY, if you do win big, coolers make sure you give back at some point. Trading is an art, and it has it's risks as with anything else. The market has no mercy, it don't care whether you are successful or not, the market is not there to take your money, it's just the market.
The difference being, you control your trading, win/lose, more so than with casinos.
I'm sure there are varying opinions on this, but for me, trading is an investment first, not a lotto/casino. Just like with Demos vs Real accounts. Most investors looking to recruit traders, look for profitable Real accounts cause it means they (traders) have a vested interest with their own money enough to take a chance. I have a real account also, and it's like a mirror of the one here for testing purposes, not something for fun to go ape, guess, play the luck and hope for the best.
I have traded for others based on a demo accounts for demonstration of what can be, not what if, and real accounts just the same. Don't blame investors for needing a real verified vs demos for business opportunities, used properly, demo accounts are a very valuable tool, not a casino game, for custom test purposes when used properly.
In closing, the only things in life you really regret, are the chances that you don't take!
'Live the dream'
C~
Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 08:09
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Ironman posted:
Why does he perform the odd miracle (that might not be a miracle) when he leaves all the other things (starvation, war etc.)?
He is not a loveable God, then... he is a cruel, vicious bastard.

No, I'm not Russian, and definetly not communist. I THINK, therefor I'm an atheist.

If you want to believe that a 2000-year old book that says the world is 4-6000 years old, holds the truth, that is fine, but don't tell me that you THINK about it. You blindly follow.


I've read the bible. I've also even read some of the books that were excluded from the bible since it didn't suit the rulers at the time. (The catholic church, that is.)
There are sooooo many contradictions in the bible, it is just silly to even discuss it. Especially at this day and age.


So, what do you have to say to all the billions of people that believe otherwise? Are they wrong? Even if they believe just as blindly as you? Muslims?
And what about all the people who have never heard of christianity? Automatically going to hell?

NAh, this is like Santa. Give us some proof, or it is just humbug.
(And with proof I mean proof, not some corny video of a doubtful miracle or the 'believed' face of Jesus on a toast.)

Ghosts? That is more likely, but the same thing goes there. Proof, man. Proof. Until then it is just fairytales.


Up to you dude, this discussions lead to nothing so i have to stop it right here, if you don't believed that's your problem not mine everyone have free will ok? lol
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Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 08:09
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if you believe in ghost than why you cant believe the opposite from ghost? so you do believed there other beside us right?
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Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 08:09
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CESTRADES posted:
TheCyclist posted:
At least one of my strategies have no risk at all, I can easily do 30% a year no problem. Which is about what Warren Buffet does.

So if you know what you're doing this is very far from gambling.

Problem is, who wants to do 30% a year ? More you want to do, more of a gamble it becomes.
True, everything in life is a gamble; esp when it comes to money. No risk no reward, if you don't play, you won't get paid. If I took 10k to a casino and expected to return with only 5k net, for me, it wouldn't happen. Why, cause casinos are pastime PLAY, if you do win big, coolers make sure you give back at some point. Trading is an art, and it has it's risks as with anything else. The market has no mercy, it don't care whether you are successful or not, the market is not there to take your money, it's just the market.
The difference being, you control your trading, win/lose, more so than with casinos.
I'm sure there are varying opinions on this, but for me, trading is an investment first, not a lotto/casino. Just like with Demos vs Real accounts. Most investors looking to recruit traders, look for profitable Real accounts cause it means they (traders) have a vested interest with their own money enough to take a chance. I have a real account also, and it's like a mirror of the one here for testing purposes, not something for fun to go ape, guess, play the luck and hope for the best.
I have traded for others based on a demo accounts for demonstration of what can be, not what if, and real accounts just the same. Don't blame investors for needing a real verified vs demos for business opportunities, used properly, demo accounts are a very valuable tool, not a casino game, for custom test purposes when used properly.
In closing, the only things in life you really regret, are the chances that you don't take!
'Live the dream'
C~

But on forex there is no market all your money is going to the owner of each broker you enter your money in, not the market so the broker just play as dealer on casino. You give your money to buy position buy/sell and you gain 'profit' from nothing just up and down graphics not because you buy euro then you sell it as usd than you get the differences between the two. Its all just the game dude. So trade is not the right word, because nothing you trade for.
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Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 08:20
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efata_investasi posted:
if you believe in ghost than why you cant believe the opposite from ghost? so you do believed there other beside us right?

I didn't say I did. I said it was more likely.
And it is more likely that there are universal ghosts than a religion that is right and all the others are wrong.
Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 08:23
70 ieraksti
efata_investasi posted:
Up to you dude, this discussions lead to nothing so i have to stop it right here, if you don't believed that's your problem not mine everyone have free will ok? lol

Yes, that is usually what happens. No answers and no proof.
Free will? Yes, if you use it.

Cheers!
Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 09:53
70 ieraksti
efata_investasi posted:
Up to you dude, this discussions lead to nothing so i have to stop it right here, if you don't believed that's your problem not mine everyone have free will ok? lol

Yes, that is usually what happens. No answers and no proof.
Free will? Yes, if you use it.

Cheers!
Starlabs (efata_investasi)
Mar 22 2013 at 09:55
18 ieraksti
Because i already gave you proof and you still denied it so what more we talking here? so how you explain miracles then? you keep saying about 2000+ religions, you know what 2000 religions similarity?
1. There is The One who created this world and make all happen by His/Her will.
2. All the religion teach about goodness for example none will teach you that murder is good thing.
3. There is somewhere we will go if we died, like heaven or hell.

Didn't you found that is strange? why 2000+ religions share the same idea? i didn't talk about christian, Islam, Budhist or Hindus in here. I was like you i was an atheist too but after the miracle happen to me than i know that God is real, maybe your time still has not come yet so just wait, but maybe it already has, and you just don't want accept it or you didn't realize it because you keep using your logic not your heart, God is way too Great for anyone intelligence to decipher Him. But until you died and you still not called yet, so you are not the one who chosen it is simple as that. I think you already called because you said you have read bible so God already reveal His existence to you but you keep denied it by always argue what told to you(everyone get called by different way, you by Christianity because you have read bible) so don't you ever say that God is not fair by not chose you if your time has come okay? 😁
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Ironman
Mar 22 2013 at 10:38
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Well, to be honest, there were no proof there.

1. So, how long ago? And how did he create evolution (since half of the religions deny it)? Did he create just one planet, or is any other planet in this vast, huge universe populated?

2. You really need to read up on your general religion skills. Some gods are actually quite evil. Of course, most have stopped believing in the evil ones, but since evil is just a matter of perspective, that is probably a fate that will happen to most gods as the population gets smarter.

3. Really? And where would that be? Got a photo? Any sort of proof on that?
Or just blind belief from a book told from mouth to mouth because most couldn't read at the time?
And who or why? Do you go to hell for just not believing? Not knowing about hell? There are many differences here, dude.

You were an atheist? When did you stop thinking, and why?

Anyway, I hope God helps you with your trading, since you stopped using logic. ;)

As you said, this isn't the forum for this, since we discuss things that actually exists here. If you read more than one book, 'The God Delusion' would be a good choice. It'll probably even explain your 'miracle'.

Good luck.

Cheers!
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