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DealCancellation by easyMarkets
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4573 postów
Oct 12, 2016 at 06:59
I have just discovered and tested quite unique feature.
As far as I know there is only one broker with such offer.
It is very simple, you open a trade and if turns against market you can close it WITHOUT loss.
It works like insurance. You pay small fee to secure yourself in case of disaster.
If you are interested find out more. http://record.partners.easymarkets.com/_D0mElSY_ZrRi-DaPcIu1xGNd7ZgqdRLk/1/
As far as I know there is only one broker with such offer.
It is very simple, you open a trade and if turns against market you can close it WITHOUT loss.
It works like insurance. You pay small fee to secure yourself in case of disaster.
If you are interested find out more. http://record.partners.easymarkets.com/_D0mElSY_ZrRi-DaPcIu1xGNd7ZgqdRLk/1/
Oct 13, 2016 at 11:29
So if I understand it correctly, I can open a long and short position at the same time, leverage it up by 100 times and once the fx spot changes by 50 pips I close both positions (within 1 hour ofcourse). With this I gain a 100% guarantee profit, if the cancellation fee is lower than the realized profit of the winning trade.
If this is true, than why is this trading suggested primarily for new fx traders? I mean, this way you can not loose. Where is the catch? Is the insurance fee then higher than the winning trade?
Tnx
If this is true, than why is this trading suggested primarily for new fx traders? I mean, this way you can not loose. Where is the catch? Is the insurance fee then higher than the winning trade?
Tnx
Uczestnik z Oct 12, 2016
779 postów
Oct 13, 2016 at 12:58
slahov posted:
So if I understand it correctly, I can open a long and short position at the same time, leverage it up by 100 times and once the fx spot changes by 50 pips I close both positions (within 1 hour ofcourse). With this I gain a 100% guarantee profit, if the cancellation fee is lower than the realized profit of the winning trade.
If this is true, than why is this trading suggested primarily for new fx traders? I mean, this way you can not loose. Where is the catch? Is the insurance fee then higher than the winning trade?
Tnx
it might be just a new marketing trick from the broker to just get attention from a lot of trader to join them and after that they will change their terms for deal cancellation or simply will increase the fees to very high so that it will be useless to use that feature
Artificial General Intelligence
Oct 13, 2016 at 13:41
slahov posted:
So if I understand it correctly, I can open a long and short position at the same time, leverage it up by 100 times and once the fx spot changes by 50 pips I close both positions (within 1 hour ofcourse). With this I gain a 100% guarantee profit, if the cancellation fee is lower than the realized profit of the winning trade.
If this is true, than why is this trading suggested primarily for new fx traders? I mean, this way you can not loose. Where is the catch? Is the insurance fee then higher than the winning trade?
Tnx
You cannot hedge the "same" currency pair and use this feature at the same time, that is the catch.
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4573 postów
Oct 13, 2016 at 17:02
slahov posted:
So if I understand it correctly, I can open a long and short position at the same time, leverage it up by 100 times and once the fx spot changes by 50 pips I close both positions (within 1 hour ofcourse). With this I gain a 100% guarantee profit, if the cancellation fee is lower than the realized profit of the winning trade.
If this is true, than why is this trading suggested primarily for new fx traders? I mean, this way you can not loose. Where is the catch? Is the insurance fee then higher than the winning trade?
Tnx
It depends how much the market moves.
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4573 postów
Oct 13, 2016 at 17:03
slahov posted:
I did not see that written anywhere. Maybe in small print :).
What about opening both positions like long USD/JPY and EUR/USD, before the NFP report? Is that allowed?
Guys why dont you test it.
Open account http://record.partners.easymarkets.com/_D0mElSY_ZrRi-DaPcIu1xGNd7ZgqdRLk/1/
Deposit like $50 and play.
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4573 postów
Oct 13, 2016 at 17:18
lexy1022 posted:slahov posted:
So if I understand it correctly, I can open a long and short position at the same time, leverage it up by 100 times and once the fx spot changes by 50 pips I close both positions (within 1 hour ofcourse). With this I gain a 100% guarantee profit, if the cancellation fee is lower than the realized profit of the winning trade.
If this is true, than why is this trading suggested primarily for new fx traders? I mean, this way you can not loose. Where is the catch? Is the insurance fee then higher than the winning trade?
Tnx
You cannot hedge the "same" currency pair and use this feature at the same time, that is the catch.
You can. I did just try it.
Fee was $3.5 for 5000 EURUSD (one fee for long one for short)
Uczestnik z Nov 14, 2015
315 postów
Oct 13, 2016 at 19:29
Hmm, that is very interesting. Might give it a go with 1000$ for the next NFP. Fee doesn't seem to high either and might even work for less impact news.
Uczestnik z Aug 26, 2014
23 postów
Oct 14, 2016 at 02:43
(edytowane Oct 14, 2016 at 02:53)
Interesting .
Uczestnik z Oct 12, 2016
779 postów
Oct 14, 2016 at 06:24
This deal cancellation feature actually looks very attractive on the surface the way it has been presented on the broker's website. If there is actually any catch that can be known only after trying it and trading it for sometime using this feature.
Artificial General Intelligence
Uczestnik z Oct 12, 2016
779 postów
Oct 14, 2016 at 06:28
The logic is very simple.
90% of the traders loose money in the market and hence, they will not send any deal cancellation orders to the inter-bank and hence, almost no risk of loss from their pocket.
In return, they will get huge amount commissions for each and every trade for both profitable and non profitable. So paying few profitable trades from that huge commissions will not be a big deal for them.
90% of the traders loose money in the market and hence, they will not send any deal cancellation orders to the inter-bank and hence, almost no risk of loss from their pocket.
In return, they will get huge amount commissions for each and every trade for both profitable and non profitable. So paying few profitable trades from that huge commissions will not be a big deal for them.
Artificial General Intelligence
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4573 postów
Oct 17, 2016 at 05:48
leo23 posted:
The logic is very simple.
90% of the traders loose money in the market and hence, they will not send any deal cancellation orders to the inter-bank and hence, almost no risk of loss from their pocket.
In return, they will get huge amount commissions for each and every trade for both profitable and non profitable. So paying few profitable trades from that huge commissions will not be a big deal for them.
Basically any broker could do so...
Oct 17, 2016 at 15:23
OK. According to the Client Agreement you can not abuse hedging, so to go long and short the same currency pair at the same time, it is not allowed. Quote from this agreement:
Hedging in bad faith. Hedging is a strategy used in limiting or offsetting probability of loss from fluctuations in the prices of commodities, currencies, or securities. In effect, hedging in bad faith is the employment of various techniques but, basically taking equal and opposite positions in the same Financial Product or a Financial Product highly correlated at near the same time, indicating no interest in genuine trading. This can happen over a single account or over multiple accounts.
Hedging in bad faith. Hedging is a strategy used in limiting or offsetting probability of loss from fluctuations in the prices of commodities, currencies, or securities. In effect, hedging in bad faith is the employment of various techniques but, basically taking equal and opposite positions in the same Financial Product or a Financial Product highly correlated at near the same time, indicating no interest in genuine trading. This can happen over a single account or over multiple accounts.
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4573 postów
Oct 17, 2016 at 17:07
slahov posted:
OK. According to the Client Agreement you can not abuse hedging, so to go long and short the same currency pair at the same time, it is not allowed. Quote from this agreement:
Hedging in bad faith. Hedging is a strategy used in limiting or offsetting probability of loss from fluctuations in the prices of commodities, currencies, or securities. In effect, hedging in bad faith is the employment of various techniques but, basically taking equal and opposite positions in the same Financial Product or a Financial Product highly correlated at near the same time, indicating no interest in genuine trading. This can happen over a single account or over multiple accounts.
I did open trades in both direction
I did protect them both
No prob so far
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4573 postów
Oct 18, 2016 at 15:11
slahov posted:
I think, if you will make a lot of money this way (especially on news trading), then they will start complicating :). Maybe even not payout profits.
Lets test it on NFP
