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kieran (snapdragon1970)
Jan 14 2016 at 09:59
1946 posts
Retail trading is designed to take money from ill-informed traders and new traders,no other reason,you will make some money only if you know what you are doing, same as any job.
"They mistook leverage with genius".
dianajs
Jan 14 2016 at 11:18
823 posts
CheckMate3 posted:
Demo's are useless. Deposit $100 into a real account. Once you've blown that, deposit another $100 and so on. Demo's are only meant to learn the trading platform, nothing else. That's why most expire after 30 days.

There are a multitude of forums, but most of the info is from other losers. Be careful. Probably best to buy a trading book that has good reviews. Look them up on Amazon.

You know, if you're actually learning on them demo accounts can't exactly be called useless.
kieran (snapdragon1970)
Jan 14 2016 at 11:56
1946 posts
dianajs posted:
CheckMate3 posted:
Demo's are useless. Deposit $100 into a real account. Once you've blown that, deposit another $100 and so on. Demo's are only meant to learn the trading platform, nothing else. That's why most expire after 30 days.

There are a multitude of forums, but most of the info is from other losers. Be careful. Probably best to buy a trading book that has good reviews. Look them up on Amazon.

You know, if you're actually learning on them demo accounts can't exactly be called useless.

True,you have to learn in a safe environment,back test and forward test a system,that's what demo is for.
Some demo's last longer or you can always switch to another.
Buy a book on Economics ,statistics,game theory,psychology etc.
Some reviews on Amazon are from fake accounts.
"They mistook leverage with genius".
kricka
Jan 14 2016 at 23:56
92 posts
dianajs,
I totally agree with you that demo accounts for new traders is an important tool for learning the platform. A Lot mistakes can be sidestepped by knowing the ins and outs of the platform used. Also in the heat of the moment one has to know exactly what to do when it comes to the platform.

CheckMate3 suggested $100 in a real trading account as soon as the trader feel somewhat comfortable with trading demos for a while is not a bad suggestion, the sooner the trader can feel out the real market with real money the better it is. However when funding the first live account the leverage used and the risk the trader is planning to use on a single position has to be planed, $100 might not be enough to have good money management. To give an example here: To use leverage 1:500 and maximum 1 position (0.01 lots) and the risk per position 1%, if the stop loss is hit. $200 is more the right number to fund the account with to be able to trade comfortable with. Even better is around $500 but then the risk management have to be known in details by the trader. The higher the funded account, the less risk the trader need to take on a single position. Ideal for a new trader is 0.20% risk on one position of the account and a maximum of 2 positions opened at the same time, which will bring the total risk to 0.40%. This is a good relaxed risk setup and the new trader can learn at the same time how it is to trade on a live account without jeopardizing his whole account.
" Lock in the profit and minimize the draw down "
kayz (kayz08)
Jan 15 2016 at 08:07
32 posts
It's pretty dangerous to trade with $100, unless your profits are like $5 a trade or something. Otherwise, people will be forced to use high leverage and trade orders which can lead to account annihilation. Save till you have at least $1000 to trade with and your profits will be worthwhile.

Why spend 7 hours on a trade that gives you $5 when it can give you $100. Don't forget time is valuable.
I don't owe you pip, You don't owe me pip. Lets help each other.
dianajs
Jan 16 2016 at 17:42
823 posts
One more thing regarding demo accounts. If you have a brand new strategy, it's not the best idea to test it on a live account right away. Personally, I always test it for a while on a demo account first, then I would move onto the live account. Yes, it's different on a live account because the psychological pressure is different there, but it's better to know whether a strategy works on a purely technical level before you put yourself under undue stress when you test it with real money.
kricka
Jan 16 2016 at 23:07
92 posts
kayz,
that is the reason I suggested to fund the first account higher then $100, the risk per position will be just too high and uncomfortable for a new trader. We are not talking here about making money but more about getting experience in a live trading account environment. The actually profit in dollars are of no concern when learning the platform and to test strategies. $500 is about right amount to have good risk management for a new trader. After getting the feel of his strategy and by trading in the heat of the market for a while, the stakes can be raised after that. Time will become more important as you say when a new trader gets more experience.
" Lock in the profit and minimize the draw down "
kayz (kayz08)
Jan 17 2016 at 00:28
32 posts
Yeah I agree with you to be honest. If the person has a spare $500 to lose, it's their money at the end of the day.
I don't owe you pip, You don't owe me pip. Lets help each other.
Sar John (Sarjohn)
Jun 09 2021 at 07:11
187 posts
Initially you will lose but continue practice on demo and you will start understanding trading gradually. Do not think about losses. Even experienced traders make mistakes and lose. There is no way to escape loss, so accept it and continue trading and try not to repeat the same mistake again.
Tremblay
Jun 11 2021 at 08:00
330 posts
Sarjohn posted:
Initially you will lose but continue practice on demo and you will start understanding trading gradually. Do not think about losses. Even experienced traders make mistakes and lose. There is no way to escape loss, so accept it and continue trading and try not to repeat the same mistake again.
Yes. I agree with you. You have to keep going in this market.
LyudmilLukanov
Aug 08 2021 at 02:36
796 posts
Accept the loss and find the reason behind it.
HeavenLeighGill (HeavLeighGill26)
Aug 18 2021 at 15:39
255 posts
It can be totally overwhelming in the beginning but stick with it and don’t give up!
Unellene
Aug 31 2021 at 14:14
283 posts
with losses, you need to gain experience with the correct analysis, just understand what you did wrong and do not make such mistakes in the future, because everyone has pockets
Atorgeru
Sep 01 2021 at 19:53
12 posts
I feel that your journey should start with babypips as they have really nice educational material. Watch some youtube channels but be sceptical about everything you learn. If you happen to learn a new trading strategy, don't invest your own money to check whether it works. Make a demo account and test your ideas there without losing the real money. Trading is not an easy walk, so be prepared to challenges and difficulties.
jonathandaniel
Sep 02 2021 at 06:22
53 posts
The beginning of your trading career is often the toughest part because you have no idea what is going on and what you should be doing in that particular situation. You need to keep calm and just analyse what is happening around you. You don’t need to react and open a position if you don’t understand. Just take your time to figure out things so that you don’t make a wrong move.
RobSchiz
Sep 02 2021 at 07:35
567 posts
Unellene posted:
with losses, you need to gain experience with the correct analysis, just understand what you did wrong and do not make such mistakes in the future, because everyone has pockets
You are absolutely right.
yana hansen (78678676)
Sep 02 2021 at 11:35
137 posts
Exactly how I felt one year ago when I started my journey but it gets better with time and you start figuring out things. Go to babypips and start the course for basics there and demo trade for a good amount of time. Only move on to live trading when you feel confident about your trading strategy and it provides you good profits.
croisssan
Sep 02 2021 at 13:27
939 posts
Fortunately, working with a broker , I managed to get almost no losses, but it is worth noting that I spent a lot of time on training.
SteveHanks
Sep 03 2021 at 08:40
536 posts
croisssan posted:
Fortunately, working with a broker , I managed to get almost no losses, but it is worth noting that I spent a lot of time on training.
A good broker is the most important thing in this market.
croisssan
Sep 03 2021 at 12:30
939 posts
I try to avoid losses. It is clear that this is not the easiest task, but here a lot depends on the trader himself.
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