General question about EA

Ironman

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Nov 10, 2012 at 22:14

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Hi,
Looking at the systems here it seems like the Automatic is what is most popular.
And when one looks at the EA's, they are either all in Demo-mode, variations of Martingale and/or have already collapsed under their system.

So, my question is: Doesn't anyone wanna learn to trade anymore or are everyone just looking at the easiest possible way and leaving the fate of their income in the hands of engineers?

Oh, and does any EA system work in the long run?

Cheers,

Tom

forex_trader_75987

Členom od May 02, 2012 113 príspevkov

Nov 10, 2012 at 23:36

Členom od May 02, 2012 113 príspevkov

Hello Tom, are you like of use EA's?

Honestly thinking, i think that buy a good signal provider per month could be useful.
Markets are dynamics and sometimes the high volatility causes biggest variations of prices, i don't know if EA will support the needs of one trader.

Att,Igor

wahjay

Členom od Oct 08, 2011 41 príspevkov

Nov 11, 2012 at 13:50

Členom od Oct 08, 2011 41 príspevkov

simple Ironman, 90% of EA's don't work in live. If you look at the details of their trades, they are mainly scalpers and a couple pips aren't enough sometimes to even pay the spread ! so ridiculous. When their not scalpers (because if they are they are of no value to me) then once again, they might work for a month, maybe 2 because market conditions are great and designed for the EA to work BUT after that what happens? EA might crash or strategy might not be as profitable as we thought it could !

SO bottom line is : EA's work for certain market conditions, some work very well but are owned by banks or institutions and of course NEVER sold on the internet ^^ . But you have to understand, the EA's who do work are always being coded again and again to adapt to market conditions. Their is no such thing as a robot trading and making money without you monitoring that EA.

SO no need to dream lol EA's are actually quite difficult to be profitable on the long run.. and that is not trading to me :)

Ironman

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Nov 11, 2012 at 15:20

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Thanks for your answers.

WahJay, yeah, I figured as much. I have never been dreaming of an EA... I was just curious about the hype and their domination here.

nzkiwi

Členom od Apr 21, 2012 33 príspevkov

Nov 11, 2012 at 18:33

Členom od Apr 21, 2012 33 príspevkov

EA's do have their place. Martingale EA's will make you money if used correctly. Take for example this scenario. Trader "A" opens an account with $50. Runs a martingale EA at the most riskiest setting. The market is in range mode for approximately two weeks without any significant trend. Trader "A" withdraws a couple of hundred or so from the account before the account blows up. Is he/she a winner? You decide...

10% month

Ironman

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Nov 11, 2012 at 19:32

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

You can do that on roulette, before the bank blows. Not really that tricky.

How do you know when "before the bank blows" is, and how do you continue to do that long term?

And how much would the bot cost in this case? Still ahead after deducting the cost of the bot?

nzkiwi

Členom od Apr 21, 2012 33 príspevkov

Nov 11, 2012 at 20:30

Členom od Apr 21, 2012 33 príspevkov

Very good question each and every one.

Free bots are available if you google for "free grid ea forex"

here's one

http://www.lifesdream.org/mt4/free/super_money_grid/Super%20Money%20Grid.mq4 (I have no idea how well it works try running run it on demo)

Of course you don't know when the market trends and blows up your account but as the market ranges for 70% of the time you are in with a chance.

Rule number 1,2,3,4,5,6 Fund your account with the smallest amount that the broker will allow!!!!!

Long term? wait for a trend and jump on board and ride it till it dies or practice range trading....

10% month

RollingStones74

Členom od Nov 09, 2012 76 príspevkov

Nov 12, 2012 at 06:57

Členom od Nov 09, 2012 76 príspevkov

wahjay posted:
simple Ironman, 90% of EA's don't work in live. If you look at the details of their trades, they are mainly scalpers and a couple pips aren't enough sometimes to even pay the spread ! so ridiculous. ...

SO bottom line is : EA's work for certain market conditions, some work very well but are owned by banks or institutions and of course NEVER sold on the internet

I can't agree that 90% of EA don't work at all. They work but because they were written very badly they can't use all the factors. That's about free EA and most of all EA on the internet.

You can get some simple EA with strategy, which is interesting for you, and using it as the ground write your own EA. That's kinda similar to trade with your own strategy but in this way you should write all the conditions. The great advantage of it: you can always modify it as you want because you totally understand your EA.

In my opinion trading with EA is more efficient. But if and only if you write it by yourself.

If you want to end up with a nonaverage net worth, a “learn from someone else” attitude is paramount. Putting your ego aside and admitting that you don’t know it all isn’t easy, but it is the mindset of true winner ----Paul Tudor Jones.

Ironman

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Nov 12, 2012 at 07:03

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Thanks, nzkiwi. My question was really about the faith people have in EA's, instead of actually learning the trade.

Long term and waiting for the trend, that is learning. Not just random EA or Martingaling.

:)

Now, an EA that actually won 70% of the time would do fairly well with a limited Martingale, but that's another story. Getting it to win 70% is the tricky part, I suppose.

RollingStones74

Členom od Nov 09, 2012 76 príspevkov

Nov 12, 2012 at 07:26

Členom od Nov 09, 2012 76 príspevkov

Ironman posted:
Now, an EA that actually won 70% of the time would do fairly well with a limited Martingale, but that's another story. Getting it to win 70% is the tricky part, I suppose.

It surely depends on how much is a profit in this 70% of the time and how much you lose the other time...
Anyway using EA is tricky))

If you want to end up with a nonaverage net worth, a “learn from someone else” attitude is paramount. Putting your ego aside and admitting that you don’t know it all isn’t easy, but it is the mindset of true winner ----Paul Tudor Jones.

Ironman

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Nov 12, 2012 at 08:04

Členom od Oct 12, 2012 65 príspevkov

Naturally it's a 1:1 ratio... there is no point otherwise. :)

CrazyTrader

Členom od Nov 21, 2011 1601 príspevkov

Nov 12, 2012 at 09:54

Členom od Nov 21, 2011 1601 príspevkov

Hi,

To reply to your question: If I built my own EA it's because I have learnt trading fx during the past... even if I'm still learning everyday.

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