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Is forex gambling?
Mar 22, 2013 at 15:25
efata_investasi posted:CESTRADES posted:TheCyclist posted:
At least one of my strategies have no risk at all, I can easily do 30% a year no problem. Which is about what Warren Buffet does.
So if you know what you're doing this is very far from gambling.
Problem is, who wants to do 30% a year ? More you want to do, more of a gamble it becomes.
True, everything in life is a gamble; esp when it comes to money. No risk no reward, if you don't play, you won't get paid. If I took 10k to a casino and expected to return with only 5k net, for me, it wouldn't happen. Why, cause casinos are pastime PLAY, if you do win big, coolers make sure you give back at some point. Trading is an art, and it has it's risks as with anything else. The market has no mercy, it don't care whether you are successful or not, the market is not there to take your money, it's just the market.
The difference being, you control your trading, win/lose, more so than with casinos.
I'm sure there are varying opinions on this, but for me, trading is an investment first, not a lotto/casino. Just like with Demos vs Real accounts. Most investors looking to recruit traders, look for profitable Real accounts cause it means they (traders) have a vested interest with their own money enough to take a chance. I have a real account also, and it's like a mirror of the one here for testing purposes, not something for fun to go ape, guess, play the luck and hope for the best.
I have traded for others based on a demo accounts for demonstration of what can be, not what if, and real accounts just the same. Don't blame investors for needing a real verified vs demos for business opportunities, used properly, demo accounts are a very valuable tool, not a casino game, for custom test purposes when used properly.
In closing, the only things in life you really regret, are the chances that you don't take!"Live the dream"
C~
But on forex there is no market all your money is going to the owner of each broker you enter your money in, not the market so the broker just play as dealer on casino. You give your money to buy position buy/sell and you gain "profit" from nothing just up and down graphics not because you buy euro then you sell it as usd than you get the differences between the two. Its all just the game dude. So trade is not the right word, because nothing you trade for.
Sure there is; Forex is just the instrument}'s you trade. I also trade stocks as a diversification. It also is an instrument}s; and your broker is like your distributor, as with/in any other business; or supplier. They get paid because they provide you with something that you can make money, or lose.
No you don't physically own a piece of property, But I once bought and sold a car for a small profit and I never saw it. How?; I knew someone looking for it, I got it, and transferred it. Sometimes, it's just that easy.
Einstein's theory of relativity is so true. Live by it.
Trading is like any other business, a chance, a risk etc; but if you know what you're doing, you can be profitable. I know, cause I do it everyday, except Friday's most times. :) I do lose, every trader pro or not does. management of the bottom line saves you. I've tried BooKoos of indicators/systems just to try and prove myself wrong in thinking I was crazy for not using any indicators, but when consistently you profit without them, you need to stick with what works, bottom line.
I don't use any indicators at all, candles S&R tell me everything that's going on. Indicators can and do give false signals, candles don't, you have to know them. If I waited for all indicators to be aligned/matching, I might not trade at all, rarely happens, but candles and S&R IS what happens. I don't care if it goes against any/all theories-rules, if it works, keep it. If it don't, keep searching until you do, you will be surprised how simple it really is :)
Best;
C~
"Live The Dream"
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Mar 22, 2013 at 22:51
CESTRADES posted:efata_investasi posted:CESTRADES posted:TheCyclist posted:
At least one of my strategies have no risk at all, I can easily do 30% a year no problem. Which is about what Warren Buffet does.
So if you know what you're doing this is very far from gambling.
Problem is, who wants to do 30% a year ? More you want to do, more of a gamble it becomes.
True, everything in life is a gamble; esp when it comes to money. No risk no reward, if you don't play, you won't get paid. If I took 10k to a casino and expected to return with only 5k net, for me, it wouldn't happen. Why, cause casinos are pastime PLAY, if you do win big, coolers make sure you give back at some point. Trading is an art, and it has it's risks as with anything else. The market has no mercy, it don't care whether you are successful or not, the market is not there to take your money, it's just the market.
The difference being, you control your trading, win/lose, more so than with casinos.
I'm sure there are varying opinions on this, but for me, trading is an investment first, not a lotto/casino. Just like with Demos vs Real accounts. Most investors looking to recruit traders, look for profitable Real accounts cause it means they (traders) have a vested interest with their own money enough to take a chance. I have a real account also, and it's like a mirror of the one here for testing purposes, not something for fun to go ape, guess, play the luck and hope for the best.
I have traded for others based on a demo accounts for demonstration of what can be, not what if, and real accounts just the same. Don't blame investors for needing a real verified vs demos for business opportunities, used properly, demo accounts are a very valuable tool, not a casino game, for custom test purposes when used properly.
In closing, the only things in life you really regret, are the chances that you don't take!"Live the dream"
C~
But on forex there is no market all your money is going to the owner of each broker you enter your money in, not the market so the broker just play as dealer on casino. You give your money to buy position buy/sell and you gain "profit" from nothing just up and down graphics not because you buy euro then you sell it as usd than you get the differences between the two. Its all just the game dude. So trade is not the right word, because nothing you trade for.
Sure there is; Forex is just the instrument}'s you trade. I also trade stocks as a diversification. It also is an instrument}s; and your broker is like your distributor, as with/in any other business; or supplier. They get paid because they provide you with something that you can make money, or lose.
No you don't physically own a piece of property, But I once bought and sold a car for a small profit and I never saw it. How?; I knew someone looking for it, I got it, and transferred it. Sometimes, it's just that easy.
Einstein's theory of relativity is so true. Live by it.
Trading is like any other business, a chance, a risk etc; but if you know what you're doing, you can be profitable. I know, cause I do it everyday, except Friday's most times. :) I do lose, every trader pro or not does. management of the bottom line saves you. I've tried BooKoos of indicators/systems just to try and prove myself wrong in thinking I was crazy for not using any indicators, but when consistently you profit without them, you need to stick with what works, bottom line.
I don't use any indicators at all, candles S&R tell me everything that's going on. Indicators can and do give false signals, candles don't, you have to know them. If I waited for all indicators to be aligned/matching, I might not trade at all, rarely happens, but candles and S&R IS what happens. I don't care if it goes against any/all theories-rules, if it works, keep it. If it don't, keep searching until you do, you will be surprised how simple it really is :)
Best;
C~
Broker didn't get paid from trades i know this because my friend own broker like this so i know wheres your money gone if you play this game, you think when you buy euro than the broker just bought it for you? and if you sell it too he will do that too? no you very wrong dude, he just simply play as a dealer on gambling but on this one its called forex/futures/index not poker or black jack. I you gain profit than he gain loss and so the opposite happen if you loss.
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Mar 22, 2013 at 22:51
No you don't physically own a piece of property, But I once bought and sold a car for a small profit and I never saw it. How?; I knew someone looking for it, I got it, and transferred it. Sometimes, it's just that easy.
You said this before but still you owned a car but you sold it even if you never saw it, and there's something to trade that was in form of the car, but on forex you never own it oe buy it even sell it simply just a game of lose and winning here. That is why you can trade in a second like that.
You said this before but still you owned a car but you sold it even if you never saw it, and there's something to trade that was in form of the car, but on forex you never own it oe buy it even sell it simply just a game of lose and winning here. That is why you can trade in a second like that.
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Mar 22, 2013 at 22:52
Ironman posted:
Well, to be honest, there were no proof there.
1. So, how long ago? And how did he create evolution (since half of the religions deny it)? Did he create just one planet, or is any other planet in this vast, huge universe populated?
2. You really need to read up on your general religion skills. Some gods are actually quite evil. Of course, most have stopped believing in the evil ones, but since evil is just a matter of perspective, that is probably a fate that will happen to most gods as the population gets smarter.
3. Really? And where would that be? Got a photo? Any sort of proof on that?
Or just blind belief from a book told from mouth to mouth because most couldn't read at the time?
And who or why? Do you go to hell for just not believing? Not knowing about hell? There are many differences here, dude.
You were an atheist? When did you stop thinking, and why?
Anyway, I hope God helps you with your trading, since you stopped using logic. ;)
As you said, this isn't the forum for this, since we discuss things that actually exists here. If you read more than one book, "The God Delusion" would be a good choice. It'll probably even explain your 'miracle'.
Good luck.
Cheers!
1. You can believed on evolution even it just scientist who said it with no hard proof in there LOL. and you can judge years of God by years of you, if on bible said 7 years God make this world it doesn't means 7 years in human years dude. You think you so smart you you can understand what God thinking and doing dude? LOL
2. I didn't speak about satanic religion or others religions who worship others than God here you just want proof about God existence. If the religions who the creator is simply human who make that religion that out of this discussion dude omg don't play dumb like that, you know what we argue in here right? we already argue this much so stop playing dumb. I never studied about others religions and i never will moreover something like satanic religions.
3. I you want proof about something like that just try browse on Exorcism on Emily rose how you explain something like that? no way she made it up if happen like that, if evil is exist than God is too. Is that is not another proofs? there is another world besides this world dude.
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Mar 22, 2013 at 22:52
Ironman posted:
Well, to be honest, there were no proof there.
1. So, how long ago? And how did he create evolution (since half of the religions deny it)? Did he create just one planet, or is any other planet in this vast, huge universe populated?
On Genesis bible it says God created this universe wheres the human can lives on day 1 and you still asking this silly question of course he created all that stars and others universe than milky way. On bible even says that God created all this world in 7 days and you will be judge it by human days? if you do so that i will know who i'm talking to a "shallow man".
I say this one more time you can't measure God creation, years or time based on human standard dude. On bible it never said about dinosaur but it said about huge animal and plant how come thousand years ago a human who just simply a prophet and no high education wrote like that? ho he knows something like dinosaur is exist? And who said about bible age is just 2000 years? you? 2000 years is from Jesus born not bible.
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Mar 23, 2013 at 04:49
efata_investasi posted:CESTRADES posted:efata_investasi posted:CESTRADES posted:TheCyclist posted:
At least one of my strategies have no risk at all, I can easily do 30% a year no problem. Which is about what Warren Buffet does.
So if you know what you're doing this is very far from gambling.
Problem is, who wants to do 30% a year ? More you want to do, more of a gamble it becomes.
True, everything in life is a gamble; esp when it comes to money. No risk no reward, if you don't play, you won't get paid. If I took 10k to a casino and expected to return with only 5k net, for me, it wouldn't happen. Why, cause casinos are pastime PLAY, if you do win big, coolers make sure you give back at some point. Trading is an art, and it has it's risks as with anything else. The market has no mercy, it don't care whether you are successful or not, the market is not there to take your money, it's just the market.
The difference being, you control your trading, win/lose, more so than with casinos.
I'm sure there are varying opinions on this, but for me, trading is an investment first, not a lotto/casino. Just like with Demos vs Real accounts. Most investors looking to recruit traders, look for profitable Real accounts cause it means they (traders) have a vested interest with their own money enough to take a chance. I have a real account also, and it's like a mirror of the one here for testing purposes, not something for fun to go ape, guess, play the luck and hope for the best.
I have traded for others based on a demo accounts for demonstration of what can be, not what if, and real accounts just the same. Don't blame investors for needing a real verified vs demos for business opportunities, used properly, demo accounts are a very valuable tool, not a casino game, for custom test purposes when used properly.
In closing, the only things in life you really regret, are the chances that you don't take!"Live the dream"
C~
But on forex there is no market all your money is going to the owner of each broker you enter your money in, not the market so the broker just play as dealer on casino. You give your money to buy position buy/sell and you gain "profit" from nothing just up and down graphics not because you buy euro then you sell it as usd than you get the differences between the two. Its all just the game dude. So trade is not the right word, because nothing you trade for.
Sure there is; Forex is just the instrument}'s you trade. I also trade stocks as a diversification. It also is an instrument}s; and your broker is like your distributor, as with/in any other business; or supplier. They get paid because they provide you with something that you can make money, or lose.
No you don't physically own a piece of property, But I once bought and sold a car for a small profit and I never saw it. How?; I knew someone looking for it, I got it, and transferred it. Sometimes, it's just that easy.
Einstein's theory of relativity is so true. Live by it.
Trading is like any other business, a chance, a risk etc; but if you know what you're doing, you can be profitable. I know, cause I do it everyday, except Friday's most times. :) I do lose, every trader pro or not does. management of the bottom line saves you. I've tried BooKoos of indicators/systems just to try and prove myself wrong in thinking I was crazy for not using any indicators, but when consistently you profit without them, you need to stick with what works, bottom line.
I don't use any indicators at all, candles S&R tell me everything that's going on. Indicators can and do give false signals, candles don't, you have to know them. If I waited for all indicators to be aligned/matching, I might not trade at all, rarely happens, but candles and S&R IS what happens. I don't care if it goes against any/all theories-rules, if it works, keep it. If it don't, keep searching until you do, you will be surprised how simple it really is :)
Best;
C~
Broker didn't get paid from trades i know this because my friend own broker like this so i know wheres your money gone if you play this game, you think when you buy euro than the broker just bought it for you? and if you sell it too he will do that too? no you very wrong dude, he just simply play as a dealer on gambling but on this one its called forex/futures/index not poker or black jack. I you gain profit than he gain loss and so the opposite happen if you loss.
If that were the case, then nobody would profit from trading, everybody would be ticked off and the brokers would be out of business, the industry would not exist and we wouldn't be able to withdraw the funds. Laws prohibit brokers from scamming traders for their own benefit and several have got busted in the past. Much better regulation now in the US. Where are you from sir? Do you profit any from your trading? Not sure I'm following where you are coming from.
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Mar 23, 2013 at 07:14
efata_investasi posted:
1. You can believed on evolution even it just scientist who said it with no hard proof in there LOL. and you can judge years of God by years of you, if on bible said 7 years God make this world it doesn't means 7 years in human years dude. You think you so smart you you can understand what God thinking and doing dude? LOL
2. I didn't speak about satanic religion or others religions who worship others than God here you just want proof about God existence. If the religions who the creator is simply human who make that religion that out of this discussion dude omg don't play dumb like that, you know what we argue in here right? we already argue this much so stop playing dumb. I never studied about others religions and i never will moreover something like satanic religions.
3. I you want proof about something like that just try browse on Exorcism on Emily rose how you explain something like that? no way she made it up if happen like that, if evil is exist than God is too. Is that is not another proofs? there is another world besides this world dude.
Agreed that Evolution isnt 100% proved as of yet. But it is plausible and at least they are doing some research. If the bible was to set the agenda for today, the earth would still be flat, and the sun would revolve around the earth. And we would still burn people for witchcraft.
Satanic religions, now we are getting somewhere. Who decides what is satanic? And why not learn more about it, since one should always know the enemy? If you don't read up on stuff, you're left to the arguments about 'miracles' and 'blind faith'.
3 "no way she made it up if happen like that". No, IF it happened like that, she probably didn't make it up. Did you notice the IF?
Just because it is written in the bible that the bible is true, doesn't mean it is.
If it was written in a spider man comic that it was true, would it be true?
The difference between you and me is that I don't believe in 2000+ gods. And you don't believe in (let's say) 1999 of them.
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Mar 31, 2013 at 06:17
efata_investasi posted:
Is trading Forex gamble? because so many people often told me that forex is gambling, and if that is gambling then God will never help us with it right? because gamble is forbidden by any of religion in the world right😇?, so there is more loser than a winner on forex business because God dont like this stuff 😁 if you say forex/futures is trading so my question is what trading definition? if there is stuff to buy/sell and involved money right? so forex/futures/index is pure gambling?
Forex Trading
It's not a gamble
Gambling is a 50% chance
Forex when you know the market you can get
90% to 100% success in the transaction
The problem is
Most people unprofessionally traders or gamblers
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Apr 02, 2013 at 18:28
Actually forex is gambling. Only because the definition of gambling is to take a wager on something in exchange for more then what you wagered. So if your wagering .01 lots or 100 lots. Or if your swing trading or scalping. We are all gambling.
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Apr 28, 2013 at 11:01
(redigerad Apr 28, 2013 at 11:02)
Xenovia posted:
anything that risks losing money to earn money is gambling no matter what
Well, then spending (risking) money on education to earn more money is technically "gambling". And it is indeed gambling, as if you don't get a job with your diploma, then you have lost all the money invested in your education.
In essence, life is a "gamble", as most people are investing their (ever shorter) lifetime every day at their boring workplace anticipating the salary at the end of the month (which might come or might not).
Also, most people "invest" in marriage, and statistically in 50% of the cases they lose almost everything... Well, THAT IS GAMBLE, not Forex... 😀
So our lives are full of gambling. We just have to accept it...
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Apr 29, 2013 at 08:52
Ironman posted:
Well, to be honest, there were no proof there.
1. So, how long ago? And how did he create evolution (since half of the religions deny it)? Did he create just one planet, or is any other planet in this vast, huge universe populated?
2. You really need to read up on your general religion skills. Some gods are actually quite evil. Of course, most have stopped believing in the evil ones, but since evil is just a matter of perspective, that is probably a fate that will happen to most gods as the population gets smarter.
3. Really? And where would that be? Got a photo? Any sort of proof on that?
Or just blind belief from a book told from mouth to mouth because most couldn't read at the time?
And who or why? Do you go to hell for just not believing? Not knowing about hell? There are many differences here, dude.
You were an atheist? When did you stop thinking, and why?
Anyway, I hope God helps you with your trading, since you stopped using logic. ;)
As you said, this isn't the forum for this, since we discuss things that actually exists here. If you read more than one book, "The God Delusion" would be a good choice. It'll probably even explain your 'miracle'.
Good luck.
Cheers!
Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are "innocent" .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......
May God bless you ....
Apr 29, 2013 at 09:24
syedaounabbas posted:
Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are "innocent" .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......
May God bless you ....
Haha, yeah, sure. What marvels are you talking about? Please name one of the references that wasn't understood at that time and age.
One fairy tale book does not prove another wrong (or right). Other religious people will disagree with you on this. Which is the whole problem to begin with.
The Quran was written in a time when the written language wasn't fully developed, and is thus written in a mix of languages. Which is why the infamous "virgins" one can achieve through martyrdom also can translate to "grapes". There are plenty of more examples if you want them.
Go figure.
If you want a really good read, read Lord of the Rings. Full of exciting stories, and noone asks you to believe in them.
(And of course, The God Delusion is another excellent read.)
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Apr 29, 2013 at 16:06
Ironman posted:syedaounabbas posted:
Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are "innocent" .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......
May God bless you ....
Haha, yeah, sure. What marvels are you talking about? Please name one of the references that wasn't understood at that time and age.
One fairy tale book does not prove another wrong (or right). Other religious people will disagree with you on this. Which is the whole problem to begin with.
The Quran was written in a time when the written language wasn't fully developed, and is thus written in a mix of languages. Which is why the infamous "virgins" one can achieve through martyrdom also can translate to "grapes". There are plenty of more examples if you want them.
Go figure.
If you want a really good read, read Lord of the Rings. Full of exciting stories, and noone asks you to believe in them.
(And of course, The God Delusion is another excellent read.)
Search for the marvels yourself (if you want to) .... I never push religion in other peoples faces (like u tend to do with ur no God theory) ....
BTW I bet you have never read Arabic !! and don't even know what advanced language means ..... Have you read any poetry lately ???? Do you know how rhymes work ??? Do you have any understanding of numbers ???
All these questions are probably a resounding NO if one reads your response ..... Arabic even back then was a very vast language ..... Lord of the Rings is a good read .... fantasy though .... as far as the believing is concerned, I never asked you to believe in Quran .... I just suggested reading it ....
Till you atheists prove that a universe can be created out of nothing without any intervention, you have no ground to stand on !! Go figure !!
Apr 29, 2013 at 18:36
So, they wrote poetry. Marvellous.
I'd like some proof. I don't believe anything just out of the blue.
The difference between you and me is that just because I don't understand it, I don't say "Oh, you know, it must be a God"... We research the reasons for things. If you zealots ruled the world, the world would still be flat, and the sun revolving around it...
We'd behead people for adultery...
We'd stone people for blasphemy...
And women would still not be able to vote... oh, wait. Scary place, this...
No, I don't speak or read Arabic. That doesn't mean I can't read the works of people who do... And they wrote what I said.
I don't make stuff up.
There wasn't 'nothing' that was created out of 'nothing'.
It's hidden in science. Yes, we can't describe the earlies few nanoseconds, but that is quite a lot closer than anything described in any story book, wether it is the Quran, the Bible, Upanishaderna or any of the other THOUSANDS of religions all claiming to be the correct one.
Cheers.
I'd like some proof. I don't believe anything just out of the blue.
The difference between you and me is that just because I don't understand it, I don't say "Oh, you know, it must be a God"... We research the reasons for things. If you zealots ruled the world, the world would still be flat, and the sun revolving around it...
We'd behead people for adultery...
We'd stone people for blasphemy...
And women would still not be able to vote... oh, wait. Scary place, this...
No, I don't speak or read Arabic. That doesn't mean I can't read the works of people who do... And they wrote what I said.
I don't make stuff up.
There wasn't 'nothing' that was created out of 'nothing'.
It's hidden in science. Yes, we can't describe the earlies few nanoseconds, but that is quite a lot closer than anything described in any story book, wether it is the Quran, the Bible, Upanishaderna or any of the other THOUSANDS of religions all claiming to be the correct one.
Cheers.
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Apr 30, 2013 at 01:39
(redigerad Apr 30, 2013 at 01:40)
First get your facts straight !! The earth was told to be round and not the centre of the universe by Quran "[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped. " !!
A Muslim scientist Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Kathīr al-Farghānī with his team found out the exact diameter of our planet .... How can you be so ignorant and yet teach others .... The PEOPLE who follow IGNORANT remain ignorant ....
Greeks thought the earth was the center of the universe ..... And I bet you consider Greek literature to be the basis of science as you know it .... mind you, most of the Greek literature has been proven to be wrong ....
As far as Christianity is concerned, I accept that the church had a clear conflict with science .... but you are just plain stupid to think that has been the case with Islam .... Quran never said the earth was flat, Bible never told of a flat earth, self-proclaimed scientists and scholars did .....
Even you don't rule the world !! Even Alexander (mortal) couldn't rule the world ..... Read some facts before you start talking about things that you have little to no knowledge of .... And you just made stuff up when u said that Islam tells you that the Earth is Flat and the centre of universe .....
Keep believing in your mighty Ironman !!
Peace.
A Muslim scientist Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Kathīr al-Farghānī with his team found out the exact diameter of our planet .... How can you be so ignorant and yet teach others .... The PEOPLE who follow IGNORANT remain ignorant ....
Greeks thought the earth was the center of the universe ..... And I bet you consider Greek literature to be the basis of science as you know it .... mind you, most of the Greek literature has been proven to be wrong ....
As far as Christianity is concerned, I accept that the church had a clear conflict with science .... but you are just plain stupid to think that has been the case with Islam .... Quran never said the earth was flat, Bible never told of a flat earth, self-proclaimed scientists and scholars did .....
Even you don't rule the world !! Even Alexander (mortal) couldn't rule the world ..... Read some facts before you start talking about things that you have little to no knowledge of .... And you just made stuff up when u said that Islam tells you that the Earth is Flat and the centre of universe .....
Keep believing in your mighty Ironman !!
Peace.
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Apr 30, 2013 at 03:23
Can we stick to forex please!
Apr 30, 2013 at 06:50
syedaounabbas posted:Ironman posted:syedaounabbas posted:
Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are "innocent" .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......
May God bless you ....
Haha, yeah, sure. What marvels are you talking about? Please name one of the references that wasn't understood at that time and age.
One fairy tale book does not prove another wrong (or right). Other religious people will disagree with you on this. Which is the whole problem to begin with.
The Quran was written in a time when the written language wasn't fully developed, and is thus written in a mix of languages. Which is why the infamous "virgins" one can achieve through martyrdom also can translate to "grapes". There are plenty of more examples if you want them.
Go figure.
If you want a really good read, read Lord of the Rings. Full of exciting stories, and noone asks you to believe in them.
(And of course, The God Delusion is another excellent read.)
Search for the marvels yourself (if you want to) .... I never push religion in other peoples faces (like u tend to do with ur no God theory) ....
BTW I bet you have never read Arabic !! and don't even know what advanced language means ..... Have you read any poetry lately ???? Do you know how rhymes work ??? Do you have any understanding of numbers ???
All these questions are probably a resounding NO if one reads your response ..... Arabic even back then was a very vast language ..... Lord of the Rings is a good read .... fantasy though .... as far as the believing is concerned, I never asked you to believe in Quran .... I just suggested reading it ....
Till you atheists prove that a universe can be created out of nothing without any intervention, you have no ground to stand on !! Go figure !!
back in the day before civilisation started experiments to gain understanding of medical plants, they just prayed and hoped "god" would cure "whatever". science has improved in many fields since then to help us get a better understanding of many things but like i said, they only improved. just because you cant understand something, doesnt necessarily mean "god" did it. i respect your beliefs and what not but those who force their beliefs down someones throat are dispicable. Oppression is a sin that gods wont allow it (unless you worship an evil god).
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Apr 30, 2013 at 07:50
BellaVista507 posted:
Can we stick to forex please!
Yeah sure !! :)
Xenovia posted:
back in the day before civilisation started experiments to gain understanding of medical plants, they just prayed and hoped 'god' would cure 'whatever'. science has improved in many fields since then to help us get a better understanding of many things but like i said, they only improved. just because you cant understand something, doesnt necessarily mean 'god' did it. i respect your beliefs and what not but those who force their beliefs down someones throat are dispicable. Oppression is a sin that gods wont allow it (unless you worship an evil god).
So you are implying that I am forcing my beliefs down Ironman's throat ??? LOL !! Read the whole thread first .... I came in after he had pushed his opinion down someone's throat .... and I have the right to express my opinion as well .... I am not forcing him into believing what he doesn't .... he is the one who started by pushing his atheist theory in other people's faces .... quite irrelevant here, haan ?? :)
