What makes one a Professional Trader?

Aug 02, 2015 at 06:14
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Medlem sedan Jan 25, 2010   1360 inlägg
Jan 17, 2019 at 14:58
togr posted:
Professional trade follows trading plan. Amateur trader does not so he is a gambler. That's why 95% of traders are losing.
Trading plan has to define when to enter trade and when exit. (also when you DO NOT trade, trade size, etc.)
So there is no need for plan B or whatever nonsense.

You can be professional with only one plan (read 'strategy'), or you can have multiple plans (strategies).
I personally use multiple strategies, on multiple accounts also:
Plan A: Primary EA on Main account
Plan B: High-risk Asian scalper on secondary account
Plan C: High-risk all-sessions scalper on tertiary (overclocking) account
Plan D: Linear Cost-Averaging Grid EA
Plan E: Manual trading
etc.

The qualifying factor is: 'Do you ultimately aim to make money (ie. commercial enterprise)?'
https://www.business.gov.au/planning/new-businesses/a-business-or-a-hobby/
Medlem sedan Feb 22, 2011   4862 inlägg
Jan 18, 2019 at 09:44
BluePanther posted:
togr posted:
Professional trade follows trading plan. Amateur trader does not so he is a gambler. That's why 95% of traders are losing.
Trading plan has to define when to enter trade and when exit. (also when you DO NOT trade, trade size, etc.)
So there is no need for plan B or whatever nonsense.

You can be professional with only one plan (read 'strategy'), or you can have multiple plans (strategies).
I personally use multiple strategies, on multiple accounts also:
Plan A: Primary EA on Main account
Plan B: High-risk Asian scalper on secondary account
Plan C: High-risk all-sessions scalper on tertiary (overclocking) account
Plan D: Linear Cost-Averaging Grid EA
Plan E: Manual trading
etc.

The qualifying factor is: 'Do you ultimately aim to make money (ie. commercial enterprise)?'
https://www.business.gov.au/planning/new-businesses/a-business-or-a-hobby/

Sure you can have more strategies
But you cannot have more trading plans per one strategy
You can even trade more strategies on single account
nasrul_poyo
forex_trader_458816
Medlem sedan Sep 11, 2017   124 inlägg
Jan 18, 2019 at 10:54
Just consistent profit withdrawn, it is enough for me to call them Professional.
Medlem sedan Feb 22, 2011   4862 inlägg
Jan 18, 2019 at 12:50
nasrul_poyo posted:
Just consistent profit withdrawn, it is enough for me to call them Professional.

Nope withdrawing money could mean you were lucky.
Medlem sedan Dec 28, 2013   171 inlägg
Jan 18, 2019 at 17:35
I think a trader can be qualified as a pro trader if trading is if s/he can support living by trading as a a main source of income (of course that varies according to each country) I think somebody has said that already. Intelligent emotionless traders, INTJ variants,(look for Briggs-Myers personality theories), and women fare the best I've told myself.
nasrul_poyo
forex_trader_458816
Medlem sedan Sep 11, 2017   124 inlägg
Jan 20, 2019 at 07:14
I mean consistent withdraw, not one time withdraw. It means that, they can make money by self trade, not by selling or teaching goods from Google
Medlem sedan Jan 18, 2019   6 inlägg
Jan 20, 2019 at 07:18
Experience has shown that most manual strategies pass the eye test. They have good risk reward ratios.
The greatest problem, in my view is EMOTIONAL CONTROL. You really cant call yourself a professional trader is you dont have emotional control of your trades. And the only way to that is to consistently use proper money management.
Trade In A Way That Leaves You With Money To Trade More
Medlem sedan Jan 25, 2010   1360 inlägg
Jan 20, 2019 at 07:43
Medlem sedan Jan 25, 2010   1360 inlägg
Jan 20, 2019 at 07:44
Medlem sedan Jan 14, 2017   38 inlägg
Jan 21, 2019 at 12:21
What a great conversation here! Even a Kelly formula was reminded.
No matter how much strategies and business plans you use, the most important thing is to be changeable and be ready for market behavior.
Medlem sedan Jan 31, 2019   16 inlägg
Jan 31, 2019 at 10:54
I heard a myth about 5% of traders who know what is a profit on forex trading. My option - luck makes a trader profitable.
The AI is the future.
Medlem sedan Aug 27, 2017   994 inlägg
Jan 31, 2019 at 12:24
HyperAI posted:
I heard a myth about 5% of traders who know what is a profit on forex trading. My option - luck makes a trader profitable.

Then you are wrong; the success is all about the trading skill; without proper knowledge we all are unlucky.
Medlem sedan Jan 31, 2019   16 inlägg
Jan 31, 2019 at 13:36
Adribaasmet posted:
HyperAI posted:
I heard a myth about 5% of traders who know what is a profit on forex trading. My option - luck makes a trader profitable.

Then you are wrong; the success is all about the trading skill; without proper knowledge we all are unlucky.

You are lucky if you got a proper knowledge.
The AI is the future.
Medlem sedan Feb 22, 2011   4862 inlägg
Jan 31, 2019 at 14:28
HyperAI posted:
I heard a myth about 5% of traders who know what is a profit on forex trading. My option - luck makes a trader profitable.

Luck does work. For a while. Like you can make fortune in casino one night and lost your house next 10 times.
What does really make professional trader is following professional trading plan.
Majority of guys here do not do so...
Medlem sedan Feb 05, 2019   43 inlägg
Feb 05, 2019 at 12:26
Professional trading plan is gained over years of experience and mistakes. This is a difficult path that every professional must go. Most of traders really only want quick money, but do not want to work for it.
my experience is my profit
Medlem sedan Jan 11, 2019   11 inlägg
Feb 07, 2019 at 07:00
Yes, it is a lot of work to understand trading and most never make it (usually due to lack of work). But with dedication I think it can be done
Medlem sedan Jan 25, 2010   1360 inlägg
Feb 07, 2019 at 09:10
I like what this guy says: 0.01 Lots per $1000 MAXIMUM.
Consider a $10,000 account: you will not trade more than 10 x 0.01 Lots, or a maximum of 0.10 Lots.
You won't make much. But you won't lose much either.
So who starts with less than $10,000?? Many unprofessional traders do...

I also ask of you to be wise and smart. Trading is a business and not a gambling house. I trade at .01 lots per bullet fired off and per $1,000 USD of account value. Going over this can become very risky if you are wrong in direction. DD (Draw Down) can hurt if you trade larger bullet sizes and is very unwise. I ask that you treat this as a business and not a 'get rich quick' casino.

Medlem sedan Dec 28, 2013   171 inlägg
Feb 07, 2019 at 12:32
Prest posted:
Professional trading plan is gained over years of experience and mistakes. This is a difficult path that every professional must go. Most of traders really only want quick money, but do not want to work for it.

Yes, I second this. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I'm not going to change my strategy. Impulsiveness is an enemy. I would describe trading as a skill like reading and writing. It takes time to learn how to read, and even more so how to write neatly, or if one is a skilled calligraphist there is a lot of work involved.

It is a step-wise process..

And then, a professional has gone through a lot of BS and mumbo-jambo filtering out all that unnecessary and even false knowledge.

I'm not a pro.



Medlem sedan Dec 28, 2013   171 inlägg
Feb 07, 2019 at 12:40
BluePanther posted:
I like what this guy says: 0.01 Lots per $1000 MAXIMUM.
Consider a $10,000 account: you will not trade more than 10 x 0.01 Lots, or a maximum of 0.10 Lots.
You won't make much. But you won't lose much either.
So who starts with less than $10,000?? Many unprofessional traders do...

I also ask of you to be wise and smart. Trading is a business and not a gambling house. I trade at .01 lots per bullet fired off and per $1,000 USD of account value. Going over this can become very risky if you are wrong in direction. DD (Draw Down) can hurt if you trade larger bullet sizes and is very unwise. I ask that you treat this as a business and not a 'get rich quick' casino.


I think probably you both are on a different scale talking about the same thing: trading.

If one is trading in 15M time frame that trader can use a bigger lot size than the guy trading 1D. Stop loss can be smaller than the 1D guy uses. Similar set up on both ends can have a devastating effect to the other.

If one starts small then he either ´dies´ or succeeds and then he is a pro and no longer has less than 10k in his account.
Medlem sedan Jan 15, 2019   11 inlägg
Feb 10, 2019 at 07:22
It is easier to start on smaller time frame if you have a small account. Trading with 0.1Lot and using a 30 pip stop loss will only result in a small loss but if you are on a longer time frame and use 200 pip stop loss then 0.1Lot cold result in big loss
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