HAMSTER TURBO Diskussion

Exactly, $2.7 million is nothing, the problem is that many other quite big players have grasped the same strategy and following it, causing these large moves. We will see how it goes as we move ahead.

DD 44% quite big, and the curve drops dramatically.

SuperStar you have to read HAMSTER TURBO's description to understand how this strategy works. You only use the 1/4 or 1/2 of your entire capital in signal copying, going for maximum profit/risk:

https://www.signalstart.com/analysis/hamster-turbo/37586

eleanna74 posted:
Exactly, $2.7 million is nothing, the problem is that many other quite big players have grasped the same strategy and following it, causing these large moves. We will see how it goes as we move ahead.

$2.7 million may be traders' total account balances, but MetaTrader will only copy a maximum of 95% trade volume.
And certainly many will not use 95% risk but will set this to a lower volume (even with Eleni's MM strategy).

So $2.7 million is misleading: this volume is not the traded amount in the market. It is much less.

Shouldn't be taken leverage into consideration? And if most of the followers I'm sure are using 1:100, or even 1:500, wouldn't be there the total sum used for trading 2.7 millionx100=270 million ?

All traders use leverage, so what applies to us, applies to other traders too.

eleanna74 posted:
All traders use leverage, so what applies to us, applies to other traders too.

When you give buy/sell orders, a total of about 300 millions in real terms are entering the market. This 300 WILL influence the thin Asian market, no matter how you look at it. It will not influence YOUR trade, because you are the first to give the order, but for all your followers, even if they are are behind you with only few milliseconds, they will have worse results.
Sorry, but this is the harsh reality.

ovisun posted:
Shouldn't be taken leverage into consideration? And if most of the followers I'm sure are using 1:100, or even 1:500, wouldn't be there the total sum used for trading 2.7 millionx100=270 million ?

True, take leverage into consideration and the volume will increase.
But take B-Book brokers and lower real amounts invested, the true volume will be much less.

Whatever the case, it is nothing compared to total market volume.

Dear HAMSTER TURBO subscibers, the feedback I am getting from subscribers that already changed their ICMarkets server in order to improve the slippage they were encountering, is that the move from live03 server to other servers helped reducing their slippage considerably. I hear that slippage of 20-25 points has been reduced to 3-5 points, so this is great news. I therefore advise those who still 'suffer' from larger than normal (above 3-4 points) slippage to consider changing their signal account to another one with low slippage value and a small number of executed trades. You should avoid live03 and live05 servers for now as they appear to be overcrowded.

For more details check HAMSTER TURBO's slippage tab: https://www.mql5.com/en/signals/463727#!tab=tab_slippage

Thank you very much for your attention!

Eleni Anna Branou

If you havnt watched Elenis signal open or close then you really are not qualified to comment. If you watch the signal live in your MT4 platform and watch the signal close its position - you will see a huge candle - best seen on the 1M chart - when hamster turbo opens and closes its position (which is your position in mt4) - You can see it move the price significantly as Elenis following is quite large now - it has the power to move prices during thin liquidity periods just like a small bank or hedge fund can...

Eleni - moving the market price cannot be back tested. So how do you know that the strategy will not work if you break up the position into multiple smaller positions?

Since your following is large enough to move the price - have you considered behaving like a bank to push price in your favour?

For example - what if you divided your position into 2 positions. The first is as per normal and let say its a buy. Then when your ready to close at 5 pips profit - instead of closing it there @ TP = 5 pips - open another buy - which will push the price up higher again and push the first position further into profit - perhaps another 3-4 pips dending on liquidity at the time. Then wait 5-10 seconds - and then close all positions - which will send it crashing again but at least we took a few stops first and gave us some liquidity to reduce slippage on the close... again you cant back test this - and you would need to consder market depth at the time to see if it was going to work or not...
Any other ideas?

Eleni,

What would you say is the tolerable slippage, in pips?

For last trade you profited 7.8 pips, and it was copied as a profit of 6.6 pips. This is 1.2 pips difference. Maybe it doesn't get any better than that?

Eleni,

What would you say is the tolerable slippage, in pips?

For last trade you profited 7.8 pips, and it was copied as a profit of 6.6 pips. This is 1.2 pips difference. Maybe it doesn't get any better than that?

groper posted:
If you havnt watched Elenis signal open or close then you really are not qualified to comment. If you watch the signal live in your MT4 platform and watch the signal close its position - you will see a huge candle - best seen on the 1M chart - when hamster turbo opens and closes its position (which is your position in mt4) - You can see it move the price significantly as Elenis following is quite large now - it has the power to move prices during thin liquidity periods just like a small bank or hedge fund can...

Eleni - moving the market price cannot be back tested. So how do you know that the strategy will not work if you break up the position into multiple smaller positions?

Since your following is large enough to move the price - have you considered behaving like a bank to push price in your favour?

For example - what if you divided your position into 2 positions. The first is as per normal and let say its a buy. Then when your ready to close at 5 pips profit - instead of closing it there @ TP = 5 pips - open another buy - which will push the price up higher again and push the first position further into profit - perhaps another 3-4 pips dending on liquidity at the time. Then wait 5-10 seconds - and then close all positions - which will send it crashing again but at least we took a few stops first and gave us some liquidity to reduce slippage on the close... again you cant back test this - and you would need to consder market depth at the time to see if it was going to work or not...
Any other ideas?

BRAVO @groper,
This is exactly the strategy used by the big banks/sharks in Forex, to create liquidity for their real orders.

Based on the rules, what type of starting balance (1/4 in trading account) would be suggested to remain profitable and justify the fee? Any insight on this?

Hello Luka, I have subscribers that copy with a minimal 2-4 points slippage and others that have around 10 points slippage. I would say that anything below 8-10 points its quite acceptable under the circumstances.

Hello groper, your strategy is interesting and I would use it, if I didn't have subscribers to think of. If I employ such a strategy many subscribers will have great results (those who copy better) and others will be left in the dark with the losses of the selling wave that it will follow a buy order closure. Big insitutions and traders have a whole network of orders covering their back in such strategies. We can't compete with them in such areas.

Hello thedlewis, the minimum signal capital (1/4 of your entire capital) in order to make a profit over your monthly signal and VPS costs is around $150-$200.

I would say 1000$
250$ for signal trade
750$ capital
and 40x12=480$ for signal
and VPS is for like 50$ year
But you will make more in year than these expenses

eleanna74 posted:
Hello Luka, I have subscribers that copy with a minimal 2-4 points slippage and others that have around 10 points slippage. I would say that anything below 8-10 points its quite acceptable under the circumstances.

I am not sure what do you mean by “point”? Percentage point or 0.1 pips?