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PAMM (Managed Accounts) running for +1yr Diskussion

temitope123
Sep 30 2010 at 21:03
106 inlägg
could we at least see your history result , you know it is our money we are going to risk. your result looks good
kishorejoga
Sep 30 2010 at 21:13
313 inlägg
No one is fool here to see your profile and through money , u may be opened account INSTA CENTS broker and asking for manged account ,Please feel free to open you history and past trades , open trades and first broker .Please feel free to through your money first
notzero
Sep 30 2010 at 21:20
41 inlägg
i understand somebody hiding their open trades and i understand hiding their history/.

but, what is a va;lid reason that somebody wou;ld want to hide their ba;lance and profit?

thank u,

zero/.

SolarFX (forexma)
Sep 30 2010 at 21:52
1332 inlägg
Just another 'hold and hope' no loss strategy, it's a matter of time to encounter the black swan. All's hidden, again.

AND it's DEMO, DEMO and again DEMO. Why man, don't you trust your own trading or it's easier to lose other people's money?

WAKE UP BUDDY, this ain't the right way to attract clients. I regret there's no anti-vouch system in myfxbook, I'm really sick of this b......t.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
rfx (ranesh)
Oct 01 2010 at 02:41
257 inlägg
SOLAR - r u blind ? This is a verified REAL account. 'Hold & Hope' ? Why don't you try this so-called 'Hold & Hope' strategy even with a demo yourself and see whether you can produce results like mine over the same length of time ? Go spend time learning how to trade instead of wasting time being negative about someone else's style of trading without even having a clue as to what it is. I see how wonderful your trading is > I am not surprised at your results with a negative mindset such as this. And you have the audacity to talk like some master trader and be critical of my trading?

And please don't waste my time -> this is a general comment to anyone and everyone who might drop by here. I've got nothing to prove to anybody. If you don't like my style, that's fine > go find some one else to manage an account for you. If one is even remotely serious about joining my PAMM and is not just another curious tyre kicker, they should at least have the decency and the courtesy to PM me for more details. If you're just feeling a little skeptical I suggest you track my performance for however long you wish and then contact me.

Nobody is forcing anybody here to join my PAMM. And besides, I don't work with anyone just because they've got enough money to join my PAMM. I am sure there are plenty of others here who will bend in two just to manage an account for you even if it's just a few dollars - so feel free to join one of them.

There is another thread here where nobody seems to be able to give a simple answer including the person who started that thread as to what it is that is not already available in the stats presented that you can obtain from trade history. If you know your Math then there isn't anything that you cannot work-out from the info that is already made public.

I just wanted to make things clear. Please note that I will NOT be wasting my time responding to any more posts here. If my intention was to discuss my style of trading in this public-system-thread I would have been the first to make a post and open it for discussion.

Want to be a profitable trader ? Change your mindset and stay away from negative/pessimistic/resentful/envious people. I have come across a few people on some of the threads here and the vengeful/resentful/hateful words they speak against others is shocking and it is no wonder that they are unable to be a profitable trader.
SolarFX (forexma)
Oct 01 2010 at 06:59
1332 inlägg
forexma posted:
    Just another 'hold and hope' no loss strategy, it's a matter of time to encounter the black swan. All's hidden, again.

AND it's DEMO, DEMO and again DEMO. Why man, don't you trust your own trading or it's easier to lose other people's money?

WAKE UP BUDDY, this ain't the right way to attract clients. I regret there's no anti-vouch system in myfxbook, I'm really sick of this b......t.

My fault, I was looking at your other demo accounts and didn't see this one especially was real.

Nevermind, no loss strategies mean no SL or huuuge SL which will sooner or later blow any account or at least put it in a dangerous situation.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
Patience
Oct 01 2010 at 10:28
230 inlägg
forexma posted:

Nevermind, no loss strategies mean no SL or huuuge SL which will sooner or later blow any account or at least put it in a dangerous situation.

Not necessarily. If you trade low leverage your account can withstand a lot of the market's ups and downs. It's all about the big picture. Not always hope and hold.
SolarFX (forexma)
Oct 03 2010 at 07:11
1332 inlägg
I prefer having small losses than having 1 huge loss at the end, I don't like forex magicians. I've seen the 'no loss' effect tens of times and it wasn't pretty.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
Patience
Oct 03 2010 at 11:33
230 inlägg

forexma posted: I've seen the 'no loss' effect tens of times and it wasn't pretty.

So have I but I think we look at the market differently. To me, the forex market is similar to buying shares. Just another investment vehicle. If your shares drop a couple of bucks do you freak out and off-load them? Even if they are paying a good yield? I don't play with the market just for trading profits. In this low interest rate environment, there are very few places to put your money to earn a good yield. Buying high yielding currencies, even if you are the wrong way at times, enables you to collect a way higher yield than any bank would pay. And you can achieve this without having to tie all your money up. Any trading profits are a bonus. It's about putting my money to work and if you appropriately position yourself, there is no need to be worried about a margin call.
SolarFX (forexma)
Oct 03 2010 at 12:12
1332 inlägg
Yeah, you're obviously a fundamental(or even a carry) trader while I'm pure technical.
BUT what I've seen during my almost 8 years of trading is that the pairs do not allways obey the higher interest rate currencies. For me the forex market is too speculative and investing in currencies is far more dangerous than investing in stocks.

"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
rfx (ranesh)
Oct 03 2010 at 12:56
257 inlägg
8yrs of trading ??? And all you've got to show is 5 months of a real account for a nett loss of -3.14% ??? Lol !! 😁

And yet you talk like a 'forex trading PUNDIT' ??? You sound like a 'wanna be' successful trader who only talks big because that's all you seem to be able to do. Results speak louder than empty words. Someone like you who talks without any results to show are like empty vessels that make a loud noise. Your vouchers mean zilch. And you regret there is no anti-vouch system here so you can anti-vouch traders like me ???

Go learn how to trade... or humble yourself and maybe... just maybe someone will feel sorry for you and teach you how to trade. Now off you go. Go and do something productive with your time... like learning how to trade. Geez... what a clown !

P.S : It's Sunday and I had some time to waste, hence this post, although I mentioned in my 1st response that I will not respond to any more posts here.




Stephanus Rensburg (stephanusR)
Oct 03 2010 at 14:18
216 inlägg
What I like about the chart thus far is 15 trading sessions with not one of them seemingly in negative territory. If you can keep this up it would indicate engineered trades as opposed to gambling. But we don't know the history of the trades which is acceptable if you don't want your method reverse engineered. There are large trading gaps which probably means you kept losing positions having large equity draw-downs for days on end. This would be a negative sign because the longer a trade takes to become a winning trade , the more the 'random luck' factor increases.

We need a fair trade-off between preventing the reverse engineering of a method and demonstrating engineered trades. Between 31 Aug and 10 Sept we have a large trading gap, which most likely indicates losing trades, or winning trades that you allowed to rally with the trend. Thus that trading gap must display the equity, we could compress those ten days into a single day with a different color such as blue for positive equity or red for negative equity.

You also need to show the balance and actual profit made if you want to have PAMM investors. I would say an account should be at least $2000 to reflect the psychological effect of making gains as well as losses that are material. Making one penny on an Oanda sub-account of $100 is good for testing a method but meaningless in the real-world where you would have to deal with real people who's $5000, $2000 or $10000 you would be trading.

Best of luck, I will be following your account with interest and think of ways to provide us with more insight into the risk your trades incur without having to reveal your method or history of actual trades . Revealing your broker is a must.
SolarFX (forexma)
Oct 03 2010 at 14:28
1332 inlägg
ranesh posted:
    8yrs of trading ??? And all you've got to show is 5 months of a real account for a nett loss of -3.14% ??? Lol !! 😁

And yet you talk like a 'forex trading PUNDIT' ??? You sound like a 'wanna be' successful trader who only talks big because that's all you seem to be able to do. Results speak louder than empty words. Someone like you who talks without any results to show are like empty vessels that make a loud noise. Your vouchers mean zilch. And you regret there is no anti-vouch system here so you can anti-vouch traders like me ???

Go learn how to trade... or humble yourself and maybe... just maybe someone will feel sorry for you and teach you how to trade. Now off you go. Go and do something productive with your time... like learning how to trade. Geez... what a clown !

P.S : It's Sunday and I had some time to waste, hence this post, although I mentioned in my 1st response that I will not respond to any more posts here.

Since you're offering commercial service I have the right to criticize your trading and you have the right to defend your system in a proper manner(not exactly by insulting me or classifying me as a clown or 'wanna be'). I don't remember insulting you like you do.
Look ranesh, where you are right now, I've been there long time ago.
How old is your real account? Yes, exactly 1 month and few more days. And what, you've managed to keep your real account in profit for 1 month and you're allready offering managed account services, isn't it a bit early? In the beginning of my trading experience I was like you, fighting for the perfect results(no loss and perfect balance curve) but after few LARGE losses and few blown accounts I realised that the only bad loss is the one you cannot control and controlled losses are good losses. To be successful in forex doesn't require to have perfect results all the time, you just have to be profitable overall. Every single experienced trader knows that trading w/o a SL and not willing to accept a loss is trading w/o risk/money management and it's a matter of time to meet the black swan. When I see you're trading manually it's even worse because we're humans and humans have emotions, they're too often greedy and scared and they need to sleep. Few years ago I was able to gain an average of 30%/month trading manually but never managed to keep that profit over the time because I'm human and humans tend to be stubborn sometimes. What was happening most of the time was that a single trade(when I've decided to be stubborn and close the trade in profit at any cost) was wiping out all the profits from the few successful months and all because I WANTED TO CLOSE IT IN PROFIT.
I've seen many people like you here and in many other forums. They appear now and disappear after 1-2 months after few large losses. Please take a look at Arbatov's systems, he's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Arbatov/arbatov-pamm-insta/46347
He was doing fine for few months and became a hit here but he wasn't willing to accept the small losses and finally he ended with few huge losses.

My current results ain't so good but what matters to me is that I control the situation. Yes, I have ~5% DD but that's not a problem for me. That result is due to my transition from manual trading to automated trading. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to automate your manual trading methods(I'm not talking about buying few cheap non working commercial EAs)? It takes a lot of time, efforts and money but I'm ready to pay the price and if that means an acceptable DD on my real account in the test period I will accept that risk, I'm not in a hurry. I'm here to be profitable in the long term.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
SolarFX (forexma)
Oct 03 2010 at 14:37
1332 inlägg

stephanusR posted:
......You also need to show the balance and actual profit made if you want to have PAMM investors. I would say an account should be at least $2000 to reflect the psychological effect of making gains as well as losses that are material. Making one penny on an Oanda sub-account of $100 is good for testing a method but meaningless in the real-world where you would have to deal with real people who's $5000, $2000 or $10000 you would be trading.

Best of luck, I will be following your account with interest and think of ways to provide us with more insight into the risk your trades incur without having to reveal your method or history of actual trades . Revealing your broker is a must.

Exactly what I was about to say, especially about the psychological effect and responsibility of trading a larger account. It is very easy to be brave trading w/o risk management on a $10 cents account.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
Stephanus Rensburg (stephanusR)
Oct 03 2010 at 15:12
216 inlägg
Solar, his annualized gain is around 144%, people are so desperate to make a return on capital in a 0% interest rate environment that I think he already has a fair number of investors and probably coping fine with the capital he is trading. I just hope he can keep up this performance and wish him all the best.
SolarFX (forexma)
Oct 03 2010 at 17:07
1332 inlägg
I knew I know this guy. Same style, same approach, everything hidden.
It's the new identity of https://www.myfxbook.com/members/rwfxm or https://www.myfxbook.com/members/robw135 also known with his site: https://rwfxm.com/index.html
He was well known for trading w/o SL and after months of success he managed to blow all accounts... and of course delete every clue after that. But here we go:
1. https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/rwfxm-test-1/14313,1#?pt=2&p=1&o=14313
2. https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/rwfxm-test-2/25791,1
3. https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/managed-kf/27891,1#?pt=2&p=1&o=27891
4. https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/rwfxm-kingdom/33058,1#?pt=2&p=1&o=33058
5. https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/oanda/46427,1

I KNEW HE'LL REAPPEAR AGAIN, IT WAS A MATTER OF TIME.

Do you think it's a coincidence that one of his blown accounts was named RWFXM and his new identity is RWFX??? Do you know what stands behind the RW abbreviation? I'll tell you - it's Robert Waltos.
"In trading, winning is frequently a question of luck, but losing is always a matter of skill."
speki
Oct 03 2010 at 20:29
735 inlägg
Solar, hats off, Sherlock Holmes is something like fart in a windstorm compared to you. Facts facts facts they speak for themselves.
Surround yourself with people whose eyes light up when they see you and who have no agenda for your reform.
shift69
Oct 04 2010 at 03:21
5 inlägg

forexma posted:
    
ranesh posted:
   . What was happening most of the time was that a single trade(when I've decided to be stubborn and close the trade in profit at any cost) was wiping out all the profits from the few successful months and all because I WANTED TO CLOSE IT IN PROFIT.

Yes! its happen to me 2😞...😁
JUst Fallow The Trend!
rfx (ranesh)
Oct 04 2010 at 04:42
257 inlägg
SOLAR ->

1. it is very obvious from your 1st post that you were prejudiced and had your mind already made up to attack my trading style, which is why you were so blinded by the fact that this is a real account and you called it demo and rattled your mouth off. So it is you who started insulting.

2. My 2nd comment was based on facts provided by you : 8 yrs of trading / One 5 month old real account / Nett loss of -3.14% / and talk like a master trader & Forex Pundit without any results to show. So yes that qualifies you to be called a 'wanna be trader' and a clown. If you feel insulted that's your problem.

3. Just because my initials happen to be the same as someone else who has been around here means that I am 'him' according to your logic ? If you were right why on earth would I use the same system name again ? Duh ! Besides I don't have the need to defend myself against every Tom,Dick and Harry who throw baseless accusations here. If I started defending myself against everyone like yourself who obviously lack intellectual substance I wouldn't have any time left for my trading and 8 yrs down the road I will have nothing to show for my trading except some pathetic results like yours.

If only you spent half the time you waste trashing other traders here, on something more productive, someday you just might be able to trade profitably. But now I'm convinced that someone like you with your mentality and repulsive attitude, you have absolutely no chance ever of being a successful trader ever ! Go stick your money in the bank instead of trying to trade forex and you'll make more even after considering the effects of inflation and the weakening of the dollar.

I bet you can't even trade a 'tiny' real account consistently and profitably for just 6 months. You're simply not worth my time and I will not respond to any more of yours or anyone else's childish and immature ranting. And just like your little tag-line says, I have absolutely no intention of getting into an argument with a fool. I just couldn't come down to your level even if I tried. Have a good life of whatever is left of it.



<quote=shift69>
    
forexma posted:
    
ranesh posted:
   . What was happening most of the time was that a single trade(when I've decided to be stubborn and close the trade in profit at any cost) was wiping out all the profits from the few successful months and all because I WANTED TO CLOSE IT IN PROFIT.

Yes! its happen to me 2😞...😁
</quote>

What's this ? Now you're fabricating posts with my name ? Anyone can edit 'quotes'. Give us the direct link to this post so that we can see for ourselves.

Some people just need to get a life.
Stephanus Rensburg (stephanusR)
Oct 04 2010 at 05:13
216 inlägg
forexma posted:
    I knew I know this guy. Same style, same approach, everything hidden.

Hats off to you Solar, I think you are correct. He posted:


'...Go learn how to trade... or humble yourself and maybe... just maybe someone will feel sorry for you and teach you how to trade. Now off you go. Go and do something productive with your time... like learning how to trade. Geez... what a clown !...'
and

https://www.myfxbook.com/community/trading-systems/rwfxm-kingdom/33058,1
'...1. To say it nicely, I simply don't really care if someone believes me or not, not my problem and I'm definitely not going to advertise my and my investors' balances out here. ....'

Note that it is the same aggressive and derisive tone, he also isn't identifying himself by his real name in this thread. If you want to run a PAMM give us your country and real name at the least. I have posted about the problem of multiple aliases and accounts under hundreds of different names at my google group thread https://groups.google.com/group/futures-trading . Please read this before investing with people hiding behind hundreds of fronting companies, off-shore scams and what have you.
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