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Fuze

Member Since Feb 06, 2010  91 posts Fuze Jan 11 at 06:49
rsharpe75 posted:
There's a whole lot of speculation and derisive BS going on here.

At first it's all, 'let's see an ICMarkets account' and now that he's doing one, it's all, 'but the trades aren't exact or why is he showing it now, etc.'

The bottom line is, we should all be adults here. All capable of making our own decisions and doing our own due diligence. It is appreciated that a few of you take the time to expose scammers but complaining about someone doing what you asked him to do is, quite frankly, silly.

Similarly, assuming that he's going to open a tradecopy or managed account is silly because, up to this point, this has not even been mentioned by the guy. Nothing I've seen in all his posts suggests that he is trying to prove something to any of us.

I fear that some people are so blinded by cynicism and/or past experiences that they miss certain things, like open mindedness, opportunities and literally the fact that Madoff is not part of this thread and likening someone to him who isn't selling anything is downright rude.

This is obviously just my opinion ...


And your opinion is much appreciated and welcome. Did you mean the fact that Madoff is or is not part of this thread... Please do not take this personal, we are all entitled to our opinions and are here to express them as well as experiences. My point was that it was not necessary to do what he has done. For sure he is a great trader based on what we've seen so why go thru that. Now that he has done it what's next..... It does not help his case because he's not selling or advertising anything and it does not help you and I because our account does not gain anything from it. So what was the point... To prove that he is legit....why does that matter.... As I said people always have hidden agendas and that is what I'm saying to consider before anyone goes to anything. Nothing against Fuzzylogic or anyone on here. If you feel some type of way about that I'm sorry.

wiseinvest

Member Since Mar 18, 2016  127 posts wiseinvest Jan 11 at 07:27 (edited Jan 11 at 07:27 )
maxulr posted:
By the way, I have already fulfilled the conditions of the challenge. In this month I already have +40%.

wiseinvest posted:
I will gladly up the ante here.. If you can duplicate this performance on a main stream broker, I will send you my i7 notebook and s7 cellphone, to wherever in the world.


wiseinvest posted:
...
My offer still stands, regardless if you need it or not.. I said 'I will send anywhere in the world' so not necessarily to you. I am sure your aunt's gardener will be happy with it.
It is really simple guys.. Go look at the autoproviders here.. between 0 and 30% a month max.



Not even close....As mentioned above the challenge was to 'duplicate' the performance.. ie generate a 75% monthly income with 25% dd on a mainstream broker..
Sofar you have the broker right.. Your DD is spot on, now let's see the 75% monthly gain.
Also, we all know that there are one-month-wonder systems out there, so you might achieve this in one month, but your gainsy account is 15 months old. So I think at least 3 months is for this account is fair then?
So just to recap..

I will gladly up the ante here.. If you can duplicate this performance (DD and % income) on a main stream broker, I will send you my i7 notebook and s7 cellphone, to wherever in the world

My accounts will ALWAYS show high DD. This is done purposely to maximize our withdrawals every week.
rsharpe75

Member Since Aug 10, 2016  3 posts rsharpe75 Jan 11 at 14:11
Fuze posted:
rsharpe75 posted:
There's a whole lot of speculation and derisive BS going on here.

At first it's all, 'let's see an ICMarkets account' and now that he's doing one, it's all, 'but the trades aren't exact or why is he showing it now, etc.'

The bottom line is, we should all be adults here. All capable of making our own decisions and doing our own due diligence. It is appreciated that a few of you take the time to expose scammers but complaining about someone doing what you asked him to do is, quite frankly, silly.

Similarly, assuming that he's going to open a tradecopy or managed account is silly because, up to this point, this has not even been mentioned by the guy. Nothing I've seen in all his posts suggests that he is trying to prove something to any of us.

I fear that some people are so blinded by cynicism and/or past experiences that they miss certain things, like open mindedness, opportunities and literally the fact that Madoff is not part of this thread and likening someone to him who isn't selling anything is downright rude.

This is obviously just my opinion ...


And your opinion is much appreciated and welcome. Did you mean the fact that Madoff is or is not part of this thread... Please do not take this personal, we are all entitled to our opinions and are here to express them as well as experiences. My point was that it was not necessary to do what he has done. For sure he is a great trader based on what we've seen so why go thru that. Now that he has done it what's next..... It does not help his case because he's not selling or advertising anything and it does not help you and I because our account does not gain anything from it. So what was the point... To prove that he is legit....why does that matter.... As I said people always have hidden agendas and that is what I'm saying to consider before anyone goes to anything. Nothing against Fuzzylogic or anyone on here. If you feel some type of way about that I'm sorry.


Of course you and everyone else are entitled to an opinion, BUT, there is a fine line between opinion and outright calling someone a scammer.

I don't know Max or why he's here and using myfxbook but I do know that many people, like myself, use this service to monitor our own systems and methods. I'm not here to sell anything and if I was doing well I wouldn't care if someone thought I was playing fast and loose with the truth. That's me however. Other people take offense to being called liars and scammers and maybe, just maybe, Max is this type of person. Maybe, just maybe, this is why he started up the ICMarket trades.


legal@
Fuze

Member Since Feb 06, 2010  91 posts Fuze Jan 11 at 15:16
rsharpe75 posted:
Fuze posted:
rsharpe75 posted:
There's a whole lot of speculation and derisive BS going on here.

At first it's all, 'let's see an ICMarkets account' and now that he's doing one, it's all, 'but the trades aren't exact or why is he showing it now, etc.'

The bottom line is, we should all be adults here. All capable of making our own decisions and doing our own due diligence. It is appreciated that a few of you take the time to expose scammers but complaining about someone doing what you asked him to do is, quite frankly, silly.

Similarly, assuming that he's going to open a tradecopy or managed account is silly because, up to this point, this has not even been mentioned by the guy. Nothing I've seen in all his posts suggests that he is trying to prove something to any of us.

I fear that some people are so blinded by cynicism and/or past experiences that they miss certain things, like open mindedness, opportunities and literally the fact that Madoff is not part of this thread and likening someone to him who isn't selling anything is downright rude.

This is obviously just my opinion ...


And your opinion is much appreciated and welcome. Did you mean the fact that Madoff is or is not part of this thread... Please do not take this personal, we are all entitled to our opinions and are here to express them as well as experiences. My point was that it was not necessary to do what he has done. For sure he is a great trader based on what we've seen so why go thru that. Now that he has done it what's next..... It does not help his case because he's not selling or advertising anything and it does not help you and I because our account does not gain anything from it. So what was the point... To prove that he is legit....why does that matter.... As I said people always have hidden agendas and that is what I'm saying to consider before anyone goes to anything. Nothing against Fuzzylogic or anyone on here. If you feel some type of way about that I'm sorry.


Of course you and everyone else are entitled to an opinion, BUT, there is a fine line between opinion and outright calling someone a scammer.

I don't know Max or why he's here and using myfxbook but I do know that many people, like myself, use this service to monitor our own systems and methods. I'm not here to sell anything and if I was doing well I wouldn't care if someone thought I was playing fast and loose with the truth. That's me however. Other people take offense to being called liars and scammers and maybe, just maybe, Max is this type of person. Maybe, just maybe, this is why he started up the ICMarket trades.




I think that you are reading too much into this. Even Fuzzylogic is not as offended as you are and this is his thread....If you read of all my postings I have not call him a liar or scammer. You are upset about the Madoff reference and if you read carefully it does not refer to him being Madoff. The reference was used as an illustration of possibilities... Others may have called him out because of others who have known to be scammer starting out in the same layout. They show a nice account, not selling anything off course, get a lot of followers, and when they get enough request they start a service. Saying that is that saying that he is a scammer. This is just a pattern and it's not new. There is no reason why Fuzzylogic should have to or want to prove anything and that is why I was a little puzzled that he fell into that. You mentioned that you use his services to monitor your own account? what services and how when you have no idea on what basis he trades. You just see the trades and pairs after the fact. How does that help you... Nevertheless continue to do what it is you are doing and stop putting words in my mouth. You have your own way of due diligence and if it works for you, kudos to you.

togr

Member Since Feb 22, 2011  3369 posts vontogr (togr) Jan 11 at 15:23
Lets get back to the facts.
System is performing great and even IcMarkets account results are impressive.
It is easy to label someone scam but there is no reason for such label for this system.
I am in no way related to this system or his owner, I have my own systems which I trust but I feel it is fair to admit that someone is better. I dont need to do it often though:)

I like what I trade, I trade what I like
Fuze

Member Since Feb 06, 2010  91 posts Fuze Jan 11 at 15:37
I think that it's a great system as well and have always said that. I wish that everyone here can get to that level. I just didn't understand why fall into this challenge. But great results overall

wiseinvest

Member Since Mar 18, 2016  127 posts wiseinvest Jan 11 at 21:14
Guys guys guys.

Let go back and examine this whole thing. This person brought a system, not advertising, but that said, taking lots of emails and pm s. Whether his intent is honest or not, it is impossible to know, and I really couldn't give a fig.

So when he brought a system with awesome results, but a broker we questioned, he considered it a 'challenge' to put the same system on a more reputable broker..

The majority of you are/were so blinded that he accepted the challenge and are back to worshiping him.

But how now brown cow? Yes it was placed on a more reputable broker, but he is not achieving that same six digit percentage returns, instead he blinds you with his +/-50% growth in 2 and a half weeks and you are impressed?

Geez, with the right martingale you could achieve that for a few weeks and then boom, surely you all know that?

And puh leeze, this is NOT cynicism or pessimism or bad experiences or whatever you want to label it..

It is being REALISTIC.



My accounts will ALWAYS show high DD. This is done purposely to maximize our withdrawals every week.
rsharpe75

Member Since Aug 10, 2016  3 posts rsharpe75 Jan 12 at 07:49
Fuze posted:
rsharpe75 posted:
Fuze posted:
rsharpe75 posted:
There's a whole lot of speculation and derisive BS going on here.

At first it's all, 'let's see an ICMarkets account' and now that he's doing one, it's all, 'but the trades aren't exact or why is he showing it now, etc.'

The bottom line is, we should all be adults here. All capable of making our own decisions and doing our own due diligence. It is appreciated that a few of you take the time to expose scammers but complaining about someone doing what you asked him to do is, quite frankly, silly.

Similarly, assuming that he's going to open a tradecopy or managed account is silly because, up to this point, this has not even been mentioned by the guy. Nothing I've seen in all his posts suggests that he is trying to prove something to any of us.

I fear that some people are so blinded by cynicism and/or past experiences that they miss certain things, like open mindedness, opportunities and literally the fact that Madoff is not part of this thread and likening someone to him who isn't selling anything is downright rude.

This is obviously just my opinion ...


And your opinion is much appreciated and welcome. Did you mean the fact that Madoff is or is not part of this thread... Please do not take this personal, we are all entitled to our opinions and are here to express them as well as experiences. My point was that it was not necessary to do what he has done. For sure he is a great trader based on what we've seen so why go thru that. Now that he has done it what's next..... It does not help his case because he's not selling or advertising anything and it does not help you and I because our account does not gain anything from it. So what was the point... To prove that he is legit....why does that matter.... As I said people always have hidden agendas and that is what I'm saying to consider before anyone goes to anything. Nothing against Fuzzylogic or anyone on here. If you feel some type of way about that I'm sorry.


Of course you and everyone else are entitled to an opinion, BUT, there is a fine line between opinion and outright calling someone a scammer.

I don't know Max or why he's here and using myfxbook but I do know that many people, like myself, use this service to monitor our own systems and methods. I'm not here to sell anything and if I was doing well I wouldn't care if someone thought I was playing fast and loose with the truth. That's me however. Other people take offense to being called liars and scammers and maybe, just maybe, Max is this type of person. Maybe, just maybe, this is why he started up the ICMarket trades.




I think that you are reading too much into this. Even Fuzzylogic is not as offended as you are and this is his thread....If you read of all my postings I have not call him a liar or scammer. You are upset about the Madoff reference and if you read carefully it does not refer to him being Madoff. The reference was used as an illustration of possibilities... Others may have called him out because of others who have known to be scammer starting out in the same layout. They show a nice account, not selling anything off course, get a lot of followers, and when they get enough request they start a service. Saying that is that saying that he is a scammer. This is just a pattern and it's not new. There is no reason why Fuzzylogic should have to or want to prove anything and that is why I was a little puzzled that he fell into that. You mentioned that you use his services to monitor your own account? what services and how when you have no idea on what basis he trades. You just see the trades and pairs after the fact. How does that help you... Nevertheless continue to do what it is you are doing and stop putting words in my mouth. You have your own way of due diligence and if it works for you, kudos to you.


You're making out like I was directly referencing you with my initial message. This wasn't the case at all. I may have made reference to a single thing you said (Madoff) but I was generalizing the atmosphere in this thread. At no point did I put words in your mouth or insinuate that you specifically said something you didn't.

And just to be clear, when I said I use 'this' service, I meant myfxbook and not any service provided by Max.


legal@
togr

Member Since Feb 22, 2011  3369 posts vontogr (togr) Jan 12 at 08:10
wiseinvest posted:
Guys guys guys.

Let go back and examine this whole thing. This person brought a system, not advertising, but that said, taking lots of emails and pm s. Whether his intent is honest or not, it is impossible to know, and I really couldn't give a fig.

So when he brought a system with awesome results, but a broker we questioned, he considered it a 'challenge' to put the same system on a more reputable broker..

The majority of you are/were so blinded that he accepted the challenge and are back to worshiping him.

But how now brown cow? Yes it was placed on a more reputable broker, but he is not achieving that same six digit percentage returns, instead he blinds you with his +/-50% growth in 2 and a half weeks and you are impressed?

Geez, with the right martingale you could achieve that for a few weeks and then boom, surely you all know that?

And puh leeze, this is NOT cynicism or pessimism or bad experiences or whatever you want to label it..

It is being REALISTIC.




@wiseinvest
To be wise and realistic you should have compared the perfromance since IC markets inception, which is 22nd DEC.

I like what I trade, I trade what I like
wiseinvest

Member Since Mar 18, 2016  127 posts wiseinvest Jan 12 at 08:40 (edited Jan 12 at 08:42 )
@togr
and to have so many vouches should mean you are knowledgeable and know what you are talking about.

I think you misunderstand the challenge. I will repeat.. The challenge was to achieve a similar monthly return, once again you are blinded by his immediate performance.

I see a 5% for December he only had 6 trading days. Then for this past 9 trading days there is a 45% growth.

So if he made 45% in less than ten days which is almost equal to his gainsy account for the last ten days is the challenge now completed?

Does this few day old account prove to you and others that he is capable of generating a +40% monthly income?

Do you honestly think that autotrade providers here with their max 10% average monthly income with +/-20% dd can be beaten by a guy who put his strategy up for discussion with a gainsy broker, sporting a 75% income with +/-20% dd?

If so, you should be stripped of your vouches.



My accounts will ALWAYS show high DD. This is done purposely to maximize our withdrawals every week.
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